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Started by shlebz, April 21, 2012, 12:06:34 AM

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SarDragon

Quote from: titanII on May 02, 2012, 07:44:31 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on May 02, 2012, 04:59:35 PM
Learn to Lead covers grade insignia just fine.  L2L Volume 1, page 21.
Grade insignia? Yes. But it does not cover the difference between rank and grade.

Well, that depends on who you talk to. IMHO, there is no difference.

YMMV.
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Brad

Quote from: SarDragon on May 03, 2012, 09:33:09 AM
Quote from: titanII on May 02, 2012, 07:44:31 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on May 02, 2012, 04:59:35 PM
Learn to Lead covers grade insignia just fine.  L2L Volume 1, page 21.
Grade insignia? Yes. But it does not cover the difference between rank and grade.

Well, that depends on who you talk to. IMHO, there is no difference.

YMMV.

Agreed. Rank refers to the name of the rank, i.e. 1st Lt, Major, etc. Grade on the other hand is that little 3 character code such as O-1, E-7, etc. which determines your pay in the Real Military. LTJG (Navy / Coast Guard) and 1st Lt (everybody else) are two different ranks, but are both the same grade, O-2.

Since CAP doesn't use paygrades (except when you register for an AFIADL course) then in the CAP vernacular it has been taken to mean the same thing.
Brad Lee
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titanII

I was taught that grade=number of stripes you wear or whatever your insignia is (e.g., C/SMSgt or Maj); and rank=position (e.g. Flight Sergeant or Squadron Commander).
Granted I have never heard anything else, so I couldn't really tell you which is correct.
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vento

Grade is almost the same as rank but different, at least in the context of CAP.

An example of grade is Captain, or Major. The term is used almost consistently in CAP publications.
Rank in turn is the seniority within the grade, for example a Captain that was promoted last January outranks a Captain that was promoted last March for the first Captain has two more month of seniority.

There is a module that taught grade vs rank, I forget in either SLS or CLC.

ßτε

Quote from: vento on May 03, 2012, 07:57:51 PM
Grade is almost the same as rank but different, at least in the context of CAP.

An example of grade is Captain, or Major. The term is used almost consistently in CAP publications.
Rank in turn is the seniority within the grade, for example a Captain that was promoted last January outranks a Captain that was promoted last March for the first Captain has two more month of seniority.

There is a module that taught grade vs rank, I forget in either SLS or CLC.
OBC, actually:

QuoteBe aware there is a difference between rank and grade. The terms "grade" and "rank" are used interchangeably but that is not correct. Your grade, for instance, is Lt or Capt or General. Rank is determined by the order in which people of the same grade were promoted. The person who has been in that grade the longest is the ranking officer. If 1Lt Jones was promoted on 15 January 2009 and 1Lt Smith was promoted on 1 February 2009, they are the same grade but Lt Jones is the ranking officer.

FlyTiger77

Quote from: ß τ ε on May 03, 2012, 08:31:58 PM
Quote from: vento on May 03, 2012, 07:57:51 PM
Grade is almost the same as rank but different, at least in the context of CAP.

An example of grade is Captain, or Major. The term is used almost consistently in CAP publications.
Rank in turn is the seniority within the grade, for example a Captain that was promoted last January outranks a Captain that was promoted last March for the first Captain has two more month of seniority.

There is a module that taught grade vs rank, I forget in either SLS or CLC.
OBC, actually:

QuoteBe aware there is a difference between rank and grade. The terms "grade" and "rank" are used interchangeably but that is not correct. Your grade, for instance, is Lt or Capt or General. Rank is determined by the order in which people of the same grade were promoted. The person who has been in that grade the longest is the ranking officer. If 1Lt Jones was promoted on 15 January 2009 and 1Lt Smith was promoted on 1 February 2009, they are the same grade but Lt Jones is the ranking officer.

And then, to make things even more confusing, pay grade (E-1 through E-9, W-1 through W-5 and O-1 through O-10) is a still different thing entirely.
JACK E. MULLINAX II, Lt Col, CAP