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AlaskanCFI
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Dragonfly Aero
« on: January 25, 2007, 07:12:07 PM »

Homer, Homer Airport, AK, United States  
(PAHO) 59-39N 151-29W 

Conditions at  Jan 25, 2007   
Wind  from the ENE (070 degrees) at 25 MPH (22 KT) gusting to 35 MPH (30 KT) 
Visibility  1/2 mile(s) 
Sky conditions  obscured 
Weather  Snow
Freezing fog
Blowing snow 

  PAHO 252253Z 07022G30KT 1/2SM SN FZFG BLSN VV004 M01/M01 A2964 RMK AO2 PK WND 07030/2251 SLP037 P0002 T10061006 

Gee, I don't see what the big deal is, a couple hours ago it was 1/4 mile and 300 feet ceilings.   It looks like things are clearing up..... Maybe it's that pesky crosswind.. the runway does run 03-21,,, yeah that must be it.....

Unfortunately much of our winter has been this way,,, so much for global warming...



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SJFedor
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2007, 10:24:31 PM »

sounds cold.

besides, from what i hear, since ive never done it, cessnas dont do so hot in icing conditions.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2007, 10:36:54 PM »

Join the CG Aux and you will have represented everyone but the Marines!  ;D
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C. A. Edgar
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AlaskanCFI
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Dragonfly Aero
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2007, 12:11:19 AM »

My parents were married so they would not let me in the Marines...
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Major, Squadron Commander Stan-Eval..Instructor Pilot- Alaska Wing CAP
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DNall
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2007, 07:48:10 PM »

probably graduated high school too, that's two strikes right there.  ;D
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SAR-EMT1
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2007, 09:35:03 PM »

OOOHHH THATS COLD    ;D  LOL
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C. A. Edgar
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2007, 09:52:42 PM »

It doesn't sound that cold.  The METAR said minus 1.  Unless I got something mixed up and they're doing it in Fahrenheit now.

I think I've flown in M04.  The Cessna gets off the ground pretty quick...
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SAR-EMT1
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2007, 10:01:38 PM »

Sorry I didnt mean the weather, I meant the jibs and jabs about the United States Bullet Magnets
 ;D
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C. A. Edgar
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2007, 10:03:02 PM »

On topic though...what is the low end for cessnas temp wise?
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C. A. Edgar
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2007, 10:03:40 PM »

Ooh... I get it...
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Jolt
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2007, 10:09:55 PM »

On topic though...what is the low end for cessnas temp wise?

It would probably be as low as you would be willing to go outside.  Or when the fuel freezes up.  Other than that, the low temperature makes them perform better when there's no icing on any airfoils or anything.  One time I found ice on the dipstick when I was checking the oil.
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Trung Si Ma
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2007, 11:22:48 PM »

[One time I found ice on the dipstick when I was checking the oil.

Or was that ice on the dipstick checking the oil ...
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2007, 11:31:58 PM »

[One time I found ice on the dipstick when I was checking the oil.

Or was that ice on the dipstick checking the oil ...

I think somebody turned the heat on in here...   :o
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2007, 12:15:54 AM »

[One time I found ice on the dipstick when I was checking the oil.

Or was that ice on the dipstick checking the oil ...

Ouch...

I just unscrewed the cap to check the oil, pulled the dipstick out, and my CFI thought he saw ice.  Now I'm a dipstick...

What'd I say?
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AlaskanCFI
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Dragonfly Aero
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2007, 01:43:32 AM »

We actually have a wing memo around here someplace about the minimum temp for training missions. 
The real SARs having some lee-way.

I just looked and can't find the memo  But -20F sounds about right.  It might be only -10F for training...

I know I have flown lots of non-CAP Cessnas and Cubs at 20 below and they work alright. 
Although flying my Cubs have required bunny boots and Carhart coveralls at those temps since my doors ner sealed up very well.

Of course we preheat the engine and instruments A LOT...  Plus we use 5-50 synthetic oil...


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ZigZag911
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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2007, 01:47:45 AM »

We actually have a wing memo around here someplace about the minimum temp for training missions. 
The real SARs having some lee-way.

I just looked and can't find the memo  But -20F sounds about right.  It might be only -10F for training...

I know I have flown lots of non-CAP Cessnas and Cubs at 20 below and they work alright. 
Although flying my Cubs have required bunny boots and Carhart coveralls at those temps since my doors ner sealed up very well.

Of course we preheat the engine and instruments A LOT...  Plus we use 5-50 synthetic oil...




Heard you folks had 72 inches of snow thus far this winter.

Mild one, I guess!!!
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Nick
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2007, 01:53:28 AM »

Freezing fog, eh?  That's a new one on me.
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2007, 07:39:32 AM »

See URL for defenition.

http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/359/
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Nick
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2007, 01:06:16 PM »

I'm convinced.  You can find anything on the web.
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Nicholas McLarty, Lt Col, CAP
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AlaskanCFI
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Dragonfly Aero
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2007, 05:49:50 PM »

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Heard you folks had 72 inches of snow thus far this winter.

Mild one, I guess!!!

So far I have about 30 to 40 inches of packed snow on my roof.  I spent yesterday shoveling part of it off.

Up at the Alyeska Ski resort south of Anchorage (Anchorage is a 220 mile drive or 110nm flight from my place) They  have  130 inches (10.8 feet) of  packed base snow at higher elevations.

Thompson Pass on the way to Valdez (a 8-9 hour drive from here) receives huge amounts of snowfall.

When I lived in the northern interior villages we seldom had more than 2 or 3 feet all winter,  It was too cold and dry.  The snow would occasionally fill in holes with drifts since it was more like blowing sand than snow...

Since Alaska is about 1/3 the size of the rest of the lower 48 states, we tend to have a wide selection of weather conditions....


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Major, Squadron Commander Stan-Eval..Instructor Pilot- Alaska Wing CAP
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Retired State of Alaska Law Dawg, Retired Vol Firefighter and EMT
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BillB
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2007, 06:51:18 PM »

Excuse me Mr AlaskanCFI. But I'm in Florida. What is this snow you speak of? White stuff on the ground? We call that beach sand.
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Trung Si Ma
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2007, 09:03:37 PM »

Alex -

You going to the Trade Show?
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AlaskanCFI
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Dragonfly Aero
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2007, 09:21:15 PM »

Hope so...
I really need to get a table there to make my wife happy...
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Major, Squadron Commander Stan-Eval..Instructor Pilot- Alaska Wing CAP
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Retired State of Alaska Law Dawg, Retired Vol Firefighter and EMT
Ex-Navy, Ex-Army,
Firearms Instructor
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Trung Si Ma
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2007, 10:18:41 AM »

I called the Airmen last week to get my Sport Cub tickets (which they had), but didn't ask if they had any tables left.
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2007, 01:11:05 PM »

Don't listen to BillB.  White sand is only on the Gulf beaches.  Us poor people on the Atlantic coast have to make do with regular sand.  We have better surfing conditions, though.

I can sympathize with you Alaska people, though.  We are in the middle of the "Central Florida Freeze of 2007."  Overnight lows are dropping to the high 30's in some places, and even the low 30's - high 20's north of Sanford.  Right now its a chilly 48 degrees, and I'm wearing a sweatshirt and long pants.

By the weekend we're supposed to be back into the low 80's.  I don't know how much more of this cold we can take!

The only place we are supposed to have ice is in our cocktails.
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2007, 05:02:46 PM »

I feel so bad for you... today in illinois the temp is 15 and the windchill is like 10 below.
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C. A. Edgar
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2007, 07:55:42 PM »

I just got done plowing my driveway for the third time today. I have close to 11 inches of snow and they are telling us to expect more. I love Cleveland!  Lake Erie Highballs on the rocks with a lime for everyone!!!
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