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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2006, 01:08:04 AM »

The Raytheon gear is a great tool is for the most part it is pre-configured.  Otherwise with the ACU-1000 you need a technician who knows how to configure it within reach.

The ACU-T is much smaller and more readily adaptable for "rapid" deployment.  We use that gear with the Ky Army National Guard now.     We're testing it for use with Highbird already.

The company that I own is a Sprint Nextel partner and we work wtih some of the DR guys.   Problem is Nextel and Sprint might not be around in some of these locations when you need it.

Check this:
http://www.efjohnson.com/jiscc.asp

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« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2006, 11:51:25 PM »

Bendix King hand-held:

Silverado Avionics
2500 Airport Rd.
Napa, CA 94558
707-255-5588 (phone)
707-255-0114 (fax)
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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2007, 08:15:37 AM »

I recently "fell" into a grant that may allow for some radios to be added to our inventory.  We are looking at the Johnsons (no booing please...we are getting a set number of radios not a monetary value).  If this goes through is there a way to get the programming software for the EFJ's, when I asked the Johnson rep he said CAP has an unlimited license to the software anyone know where to get one of these "unlimited copies"
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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2007, 01:00:36 PM »

I recently "fell" into a grant that may allow for some radios to be added to our inventory.  We are looking at the Johnsons (no booing please...we are getting a set number of radios not a monetary value).  If this goes through is there a way to get the programming software for the EFJ's, when I asked the Johnson rep he said CAP has an unlimited license to the software anyone know where to get one of these "unlimited copies"

Check with your Wing Communications Director.  If your Wing uses Johnsons, then she/he has the software already.     EFJs are pretty much the standard, at least here in MI.
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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2007, 06:35:42 AM »

I recently "fell" into a grant that may allow for some radios to be added to our inventory.  We are looking at the Johnsons (no booing please...we are getting a set number of radios not a monetary value).  If this goes through is there a way to get the programming software for the EFJ's, when I asked the Johnson rep he said CAP has an unlimited license to the software anyone know where to get one of these "unlimited copies"

Hendricks, any chance you might share the info of this grant with your associates down at Charleston?
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« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2007, 06:38:11 AM »

I would love to but it's through a local organization that is all about "giving back to the community" so you would not be eligible sorry  :'(
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« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2007, 07:52:36 AM »

Sounds like State Farm... meh, no biggie. Thanks anyway.
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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2007, 07:54:23 PM »

I guess I'm just behind the times because my Kenwood TK-730(G) and SGC2000 just keep plugging away.
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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2007, 09:31:51 PM »

I guess I'm just behind the times because my Kenwood TK-730(G) and SGC2000 just keep plugging away.

Amen -- I swear by my TK-280...  Been looking at the 730...  So far, I have nothing negative to say about Kenwoods.
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« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2007, 11:29:37 PM »

I guess I'm just behind the times because my Kenwood TK-730(G) and SGC2000 just keep plugging away.

Amen -- I swear by my TK-280...  Been looking at the 730...  So far, I have nothing negative to say about Kenwoods.

I think the Kenwood fell off the post Jan 06 compliance list: https://ntc.cap.af.mil/comm/equipment/vhf_list.cfm
It is a good radio though!

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« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2007, 12:50:53 PM »

They did, but mine was grandfathered since it was registered and accepted as compliant before they changed the rules; it is considered legal until the end of it's life cycle. This explains why I am willing to pay $300.00 to replace the finals, which totally blew the repair guy's mind.
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« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2007, 12:56:48 PM »

^^^ What he said.

But here is something that I just found interesting.  According to NHQ's page, they're TBD, not even not tested, just To Be Determined -- any insight?
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« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2007, 01:22:41 PM »

No idea...the other thing that I found interesting was that the HF radios do not have the same grandfather clause that the VHF radios did...which leaves me wondering if my ICOM 703 is still legal or not
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« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2007, 05:40:05 PM »

Hi Guys,

  Here's the scoop on "TBD" in the "Post 1/1/2006" compliance column:

  When the NTIA changed the specs in 2005, they put in a clause (in Chapter 5) that equipment "acquired or contracted for" prior to 1/1/2006 need only meet the old rules, including the older EIA/TIA-603 measurement methods.  They also retained the older standards for "wideband", but for narrowband, they changed the EIA standard to "EIA/TIA-603B or later" - which is the root of the problem that creates the "TBD" entry.

   When the EIA revised the original version (now called EIA/TIA-603-92) to the -603A version, they made a significant change to one of the tests, and the resultant spec number, while still in decibels, is completely different.  That test is the Receiver Adjacent Channel Selectivity spec, and until a manufacturer tests their equipment using the new test, we can't evaluate whether it is NTIA compliant "post 1/1/2006" - hence the "TBD".

  Unfortunately, the new test is MUCH more demanding of the equipment, and the resultant spec number is a significantly lower number, so (IMHO) the marketing departments of the various manufacturers are loath to change to the new test/spec because it makes their product look worse if the potential purchaser doesn't understand the difference.  Some manufacturers have adopted the new test completely (EFJ), while others only intermittently (Motorola) and some appear to continue to ignore it as hard as they can (Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom).  We have suggested they add the new spec as a separate entry in addition to the older one they like so much, but they haven't done so yet.

  Meanwhile, we live in the grey zone created by this discontinuity between engineering and marketing..sigh..

73 DE Hartley
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p.s. The current guidance from HQ on HF-SSB radios is that if you had a radio that was evaluated as compliant prior to the big change last fall, you can continue to use it, pending the result of a request CAP has made to extend the use of this equipment for some number of years.  Your DC should have received a copy of a letter from the Commander stating this.
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« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2007, 08:14:26 PM »

The police department I work for has had luck with interoperable products from New Communications Solutions.  http://www.ncsradio.com

Their basic unit the "C250" can link up to 4 radios for interoperable operations.  What is ideal for this product is its ability to link HF, VHF, UHF, 800, and NEXTEL devices together.  It is expandable to add additional radios.

A mobile unit costs around $ 1100 with most options installed.  There is a portable unit that can link 4 portable radios and costs around $ 4K.

Does anyone have any experiences with the ICOM F70 portables and the ICOM IC 1721 mobiles?
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« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2007, 06:52:37 PM »

Recently joined CAP as a communication officer in training.  Looking at the member benefits page, I see a reasonably priced (in comparison to present versus past alternatives)  mobile radio Kenwood TK7180 (which the site says is NTIA approved), BUT looking at the CAP NTC info, I see a TBD next to this radio if you are just putting it in service for licensing.  Our wing comm expert is hesitant to recommended anything accept the Tait's. From my perspective of this, I would think that CAP should make it a priority to have radio listed on the "members benefits" site tested for a final determination.  At this point it looks like I'm in a holding pattern.  Opinions & thoughts?
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« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2007, 12:25:12 AM »

I wouldn't buy ANYTHING until they get the whole narrow band frequency change over mess sorted out...
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« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2007, 12:59:30 AM »

I agree best bet is to try and get one of the EFJ's if you need to be on the radio now.  There are tons of them available and we know they are/will be compliant.  Plus there free, all you have to do is get one issued
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