Started by davidsinn, March 23, 2011, 04:53:02 pm
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Quote from: Major Carrales on March 24, 2011, 01:07:13 amOne the Scouts and their polices...(OPINION) Here is the thing...organizations have rules they follow. If membership in those organizations are not "MANDATORY," then they may hold these certain rules. Suppose a Southern Baptist wants to join the KNIGHTS of COLUMBUS...an Roman Catholic Organization restricted to Catholics. The Ogden YWCA has been disaffiliated from the national group because local members voted last month to allow men full membership, officials say. Should not a man have full privileges in said organization under the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause? What's more, its a Title IX issue...potentially?Perhaps the USAF is violating rights because it does not allow the blind and deaf to train and become fighter pilots? What about Title I?The ridiculous aside...the BSA has it rules which are known in advance to those that would join. That is the position they take on those matters.I have no problem with Homosexuals or Atheists...I have friends, true good ones, that are numbered among both groups. I have found, however, that is you address and treat them like "people" instead of labels, you can actually move beyond the intolerance/tolerance issues noted here. And though I am not a member of said groups, being straight and Roman Catholic...I can live in a world, in organizations and among the communities I inhabit. Let's be civil about these things.
Quote from: davidsinn on March 24, 2011, 02:16:25 amAs the OP I didn't intend to take this outside the CAP context. I understand and respect the arguments on both sides of the discussion here. I have no problem with the remark about "scouts are good, we need someone to search for." That made me smile. I was just wondering why our cadets, you know the ones we are supposed to be turning into leaders and trying to impart a little positive character to, are always ripping into the BSA? They don't give a rat's FPOC about the political aspect of it nor do I think most even know about it.As for the Girl Scouts:They actually sell you cookies? Around here it's like extortion, they could give lessons to the Sopranos...
Quote from: lordmonar on March 24, 2011, 03:50:39 amYou still have to pay dues to both organizations.
Quote from: lordmonar on March 24, 2011, 03:50:39 amJust because the unit is duel chartered.....does not mean the individal members are duel members.You still have to pay dues to both organisations.
Quote from: wuzafuzz on March 24, 2011, 04:28:35 amQuote from: lordmonar on March 24, 2011, 03:50:39 amJust because the unit is duel chartered.....does not mean the individal members are duel members.You still have to pay dues to both organisations.That seems odd. Do they participate even if they don't qualify for BSA membership? If so, aren't they de facto BSA members, possibly in violation of BSA rules? Would they be covered by any applicable BSA insurance if an activity is run on the scouting side? But why pay the BSA side if you can't participate in scout activities? You have to pay, but you can't play today because you are "different." Does that equal discrimination?We tend to think of the cadets when discussing BSA, but how does all this affect adult leaders in dual chartered unit?I tend to be a chicken little, thinking of potential pitfalls. This situation strikes me as one that just hasn't blown up yet.
Quote from: tsrup on March 24, 2011, 04:41:46 amI think what wazzafuzz is trying to get at, is how a gay or atheist member would integrate with a dual chartered squadron. Would they be unable to participate in activities that are covered by the BSA?, or are venture crew membership criteria then that of a normal scout?No alteriar motives, just a genuine question.
Quote from: Major Lord on March 24, 2011, 03:22:25 pmIf CAP was merely a private club like BSA,
Quote from: Major Lord on March 24, 2011, 03:22:25 pm Now, as to the success of instilling values in our "Yoots". How many of Americas' great leaders and thinkers have been Eagle Scouts or succeeded in life because of Scouts, or because they were the kind of person who would be a Scout by training or inclination? The success stories are too numerous to count! How many great Americans have been CAP members? Answer? Some, although besides the Col's Lee, its hard to think of any. Now judging a tree by its fruits (no pun intended) may seem unfairly Judeo-Christian, but I think its a standard by which a fair comparison may be made. Major Lord
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