Reporting a fake report

JArvey · January 09, 2011, 02:20:11 AM

I dont want to go into any details but what form would my friend use to report a cadet who made up something and reported it to wing?

JohnKachenmeister · January 09, 2011, 02:21:48 AM

Write a letter to your commander... or go see your commander personally.

JArvey · January 09, 2011, 02:23:53 AM

He has, is there any form he can turn into wing or group?

Eclipse · January 09, 2011, 02:53:33 AM

Report it directly and immediately and don't worry about which form to use.

The clock is ticking...

JArvey · January 09, 2011, 03:33:15 AM

It happened a few months back, and the squadron commander knows about it but wasn't going to do anything about it because the accuser is about to be out of CAP in a few months. But my friend wants her/him out now.

FlyTiger77 · January 09, 2011, 03:44:46 AM

Quote from: JArvey on January 09, 2011, 03:33:15 AM
It happened a few months back, and the squadron commander knows about it but wasn't going to do anything about it because the accuser is about to be out of CAP in a few months. But my friend wants her/him out now.

Commanders at each level should have an open-door policy. If the facts are as stated, this would be time to take advantage of the policy at either the group or wing level.

JArvey · January 09, 2011, 04:00:51 AM

Thanks, and is there a form for that because he is really into following regs.

a2capt · January 09, 2011, 04:21:57 AM

Ya know, I'd have to say it sounds more like "he's really into stonewalling stuff".

Because if there really is an issue, not doing anything about it because of a "form", or "how it was reported" is just pure bunk.

Of course, there's three sides to every story. (Your's, their's, and what really happened), but if something is bogus, and provable, it shouldn't take a specific form to report it, or have it on a specific form to acknowledge it.

Perhaps you feel it may be an IG matter? .. there's a Form 30 for that. "IG Personal and Fraud, Waste and Abuse Complaint Registration". Maybe it's too general and perhaps the Form 40 should be used. The CAP Performance and Feedback Form.

But possibly the most appropriate one of all may just be the "letter form" as in a printed copy presented prior to, or after the meeting and followed up by an email afterwards.

As always, all CAP forms are available electronically at:
http://www.capmembers.com/forms_publications__regulations/forms.cfm

JArvey · January 09, 2011, 04:25:25 AM

Thanks, and he just wannted it to be "official" for some reason I really dont know why he dint tell me

FlyTiger77 · January 09, 2011, 01:42:06 PM

Quote from: JArvey on January 09, 2011, 04:25:25 AM
Thanks, and he just wannted it to be "official" for some reason I really dont know why he dint tell me

Methinks going to a commander and stating concerns is "official" (although I am not sure I understand the meaning of that in this context). If your 'friend' has a fetish that insists (s)he MUST write something down to accomplish this, then a memorandum should certainly suffice; however, in my mind that is no more official than calling the group or wing commander (after notifying intermediate commander's of his/her intent to do so) and saying, "Hey, boss, you need to be aware of....." Again, if there is some sort of writing fetish involved, then the telephone conversation could be followed by a memorandum for record.

FlyTiger77 · January 09, 2011, 01:45:08 PM

Quote from: JArvey on January 09, 2011, 03:33:15 AM
It happened a few months back, and the squadron commander knows about it but wasn't going to do anything about it because the accuser is about to be out of CAP in a few months. But my friend wants her/him out now.

Of course, commanders get paid the big bucks for making decisions. Just because your 'friend' doesn't agree with the commander's decision doesn't mean the decision is wrong or that the group commander or wing king/queen will reverse the decision.

lordmonar · January 09, 2011, 04:18:56 PM

Quote from: JArvey on January 09, 2011, 03:33:15 AM
It happened a few months back, and the squadron commander knows about it but wasn't going to do anything about it because the accuser is about to be out of CAP in a few months. But my friend wants her/him out now.

Okay.... now you have entered the area of "you got to give us some details".

So....let me see if I got this straight.

You have a friend (Member A) who has been accused by Member B wrongly.

Member B lied when he made his accusation to wing. Memeber A wants to get Member B 2B'ed because of his false accusation...but your commander does not want to do anything because Member B is out in a few months anyway?

Is that more or less correct?

As stated before......you have several paths you can take.

1) Follow your chain of command.
2) Skip your commander and take it up to group/wing.
3) Call the IG.

NOW SOME WARNINGS.

1) Your commander may not care. That is....Member B made his accusations, they were investigated and found to be false and just ignored.
2) Your commander may be trying to avoid a counter accusation of retaliation and whistle blower violations if he follows up on the the false alligation charge on Member B.
3) If you jump the chain you will have to live with the consequences of that.

Either way.....it may not be your place to do anything. Member A is the actual injured party and needs to make his accusation clear to leadership and not go through you.

JArvey · January 09, 2011, 06:25:22 PM

Ok thanks

Eclipse · January 09, 2011, 06:45:09 PM

You realize you are not anonymous here, correct?

Calling people out in public in situations like this is never a good idea.

Based on the above and what you sent me via PM, I would say it is time for you parents and you to sit down with your commander
and air this out.

If you don't feel comfortable doing that, time to move to the next echelon or higher. Some of the accusations are pretty serious, others
point to a breakdown in the unit, neither should be ignored, nor should anyone, especially a cadet, be allowed to run rough-shod over a unit.