Protesting against military funerals

[Major Carrales]

I would consider, should these people try that in South Texas, that such speech could/should/would be an incitment to a riot.

Picture this, if some family lost their son in combat...a real son of the town...that certain someone teachers, coaches and band directors remember fondly; who worked at the Model Market for several summers, helped people, helped or worked in the harvest, was a Boy Scout, attended and served his church and was someone generally liked even by local "enemies" and rivals. 

I can tell you that the whole of the town would go out to morn.  Around here, stores would close...the town would be seriously affected by the young man's death.  It would be like the sun was shining, but there was darkness.

If these people suddenly showed up and started these protests.  Well, you do the math.

I might consider that sitaution starting a riot.  Knowingly issuing such speech in a place where such a reaction is possible and, in a premeditated matter to generate discord among people emotionally and (so some degree) mentally compromised.

If fact, if there was no media present, I am of the opinion that an "I am SPARTICUS" moment would happen during the investigation.

Now, I would never (and do not) condone the violent reactions to these people; however, one would be a fool to think it could not happen.  I pray that it never does.

[lordmonar]

"Tolerance" is a new Politically Correct code word that used to mean "moral cowardice". Americans know right from wrong: Don't pee down our backs and tell us its raining!

Major Lord

Got call  BS on this one!

Tolerance is neither Politicall Correct not Moral cowardice.  Tolerance is what the blood bill of rights is all about and is what MY military service is all about.

My freedom to do as I please and say what I like.....means that I have to put up with a-holes and sh;t for brains.
Advoacting violance or calling those of us who give theses morons their proper due "i.e. ignore them" cowards is just wrong.

When we start shutting these guys down...who is next?  Let the KKK burn their cross...let the pinko commies burn their flag and let these a-holes protest.

Any other response will only play into their hands by giving them media converage.

[Major Lord]

The real meaning of the word "tolerance" is the correct one; An ability to suffer the rights of others so long as they don't infringe on yours. The PC redefinition of "tolerance"  is the willingness to accept any behavior no matter how evil or repugnant. This twisted, perverted term survives because of either a defect in reason, sanity, or character of Americans today. If those Klan members march down my street, they will be made aware that their presence is unwelcome, you see, those are my rights, and the real ones worth fighting for. Passively tolerating any evil to avoid the appearance of one of the "sins" of the left( Racism, Intolerance, etc.) is cooperation, not resistance, with evil. The approval of Media to men of justice, men who have sworn a blood oath to support and defend the Constitution, is of absolutely no importance. To seek the approval of your enemy is to adopt his ideology. When the registered sex offender stands 500 +1 feet away from the Elementary School with his binoculars, to argue that your service is there to defend his rights is one of two things; misguided, or accurate. If you are there to stand silently or actively in the face of evil, whose side are you on? Standing by and watching an attack on the American way, or our Brother and Sister Americans' is anything but tolerance; Your silence denotes consent, and you are now part of the problem.

I am not suggesting that your service is anything less than honorable and good, only that we have let the enemy dictate the terms of the battle by redefining the terminology of the conflict. You complain about the hypothetical; "What happens when we start shutting these guys down?" You have it backwards. They are already shutting us down. Banning the pledge of allegiance, Prohibiting the wearing or carrying of American Flags ( while encouraging burning) outlawing the carrying of Bibles in school, Attempting to actually repeal Amendments to the Bill of Rights, and forcing Racist policies in public employment hiring are just a few of the things we have "Tolerated". Their type of "Toleration" is what is "BS' my friend.

Major Lord

[lordmonar]

BS.

Tolerating the opposition's right to think as they please and to voice their opinions as they please is not the same thing as accepting them, assiting them or seeking their approval.

We all have the right to peacefuly assemble, the right to worship (or not) as we see fit, to write and say what we please.

Tolerating the KKK's right say thier BS and Westboro Baptist Church to say God Loves IEDs.....is not evil....it is necessary to preserve my right to say the government is wrong (or right), demand that I am not being treated fairly, to assemble like minded people where we can discuss or ideas and pursude others to join our cause.

This is a far cry from being PC....that is not saying what you really think because you are afraid you mind offend someone and hurt yourself politically.

Nor is it approval of the opposition's message.

It is simply respect.  They have the right to say blacks are infirior and I have the right to say that is BS.  Anyone who opposes this baisic idea does not understand what the Constitution is all about.

Your desire to be free of offense is NOT a right....does not trump other's freedom of speech.

This is not caving to the enemy...this is preserving MY rights by ensuring that everyone else has those same rights.

If we can pick and choose "good" speech vs "bad" speech we very quickly go down that slippery slope where no one can speak out at all.

[davedove]

The best way to deal with these morons is to ignore them.  Any vet group that counter protested would just give these bozos media attention....which is what they are all about.

That's the beauty of what the Patriot Guard does.  They specifically DO NOT protest.  They come only at the request of the family and only act as a barrier by peacefully assembling between the funeral and the protesters.  Should the protesters make noise, the patriot Guard will do something like recite the Pledge of Allegiance to drown them out.

[ZigZag911]

Free speech is certainly important, but even the Supreme Court has ruled that it has its limits.

A line must be drawn somewhere. What comes next? Picketing weddings?? Protests at kindergarten graduations???

[lordmonar]

Free speech is certainly important, but even the Supreme Court has ruled that it has its limits.

A line must be drawn somewhere. What comes next? Picketing weddings?? Protests at kindergarten graduations???

Well...that's the rub.  Draw the line......we already understand that our freedom of speech ends when we liable or slander someone. We already understand our freedom of speech ends where we endanger others (Fire in a movie house).  We already understadn our freedom of speech ends where we advocate the illegal overthrow of our government or when we encite violance or other law breaking.

Drawling these lines are very difficult to do....because as soon as you accidently draw a line that limits legitimate protests.

Like I said....I hate these guys....but I respect their right to do what they are doing.  The best recourse we have is to just ignore them and let them just go away.

[Short Field]

And just hope the Supreme Court recognizes that a funeral is an extremely private event, regardless of size, and not the venue for protesters.

[Major Carrales]

One is much mistaken if they think that a person can haphazzardly spout off anything that want.  Never forget that with RIGHTS come RESPONSIBILITIES.  You can easily find yourself in court ad nauseum from Libel and Slander for things you say.  In fact, you can be tied up in court for years, then be cleared of the wrong doing...for things you say or write. 

The resulting flow of money, time and resources resulting from such fighting action might well stifle any "haphazzard"speech.

[MSgt Van]

Standing in a flag line or riding in a motorcade with the Patriot Guard is one of the most humbling and sobering experiences you could imagine. Chokes me up every time.

www.patriotguard.org

Honor - Dignity - Respect

[PHall]

The Westboro crazies are also protesting Comic Con because they say it promotes the worship of "False Idols".

[Майор Хаткевич]

These Comic Con guys?

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