Multiple NESA Sessions=Multiple NCSA Ribbon Credit?

[SKI304]

Usually I'm pretty good at all things CAPR 39-3 related, but I did stumble upon a gray area recently.   Here's the dilemma: if a member was to attend Week 1 and 2 of NESA in the same year, would they receive just the basic NCSA ribbon or the ribbon and their first bronze star attachment as well?  I had a few members complete both sessions this year, and I want to make sure we process their award correctly.  Hopefully, some of you have had some experience with this.  As always, any help is greatly appreciated. 

[Eclipse]

1 ribbon.

[SKI304]

1 ribbon.

That was my original answer to the question as well.  However, the more I thought about it, the more I started to second guess my decision.  IIRC, each week of NESA is it's own stand alone activity in the sense that the weeks can be mutually exclusive of each other.  You can go to either week with pretty much the same offerings since the individual schools just start over.  They just run back to back, which would essentially be attending NESA twice in one summer.  This seems to be the same scenario as a member who attended both Space Command Familiarization Courses, both SUPT Familiarization Courses, or even attended multiple encampments in one summer.  If they would get multiple awards for that, why not both weeks of NESA?  Am I thinking in the right direction, or am I totally off my rocker with that logic?

[Eclipse]

There are several individual schools within NESA each year.  "NESA" is a single event, whether you go to 1 school or three.

[lordmonar]

I would disagree....they are seperate events.

Two ribbons.

[Mustang]

I would disagree....they are seperate events.

Two ribbons.

Or a ribbon and a clasp.

[Майор Хаткевич]

I would disagree....they are seperate events.

Two ribbons.

Or a ribbon and a clasp.

Which is the same really. A cadet that goes to three NCSAs gets a "ribbon" for each, but the second and third are in a  form of a clasp.

[CAP Producer]

NESA issues a Personnel Authorization for each week's training session indicating award of the ribbon and patch. If he has 2 of these (showing that he participated in each week) then he should wear the basic ribbon with a bronze propeller device (clasp).

[MIKE]

^ I think you meant to say bronze star.

[Mustang]

Or a ribbon and a clasp.

Which is the same really. A cadet that goes to three NCSAs gets a "ribbon" for each, but the second and third are in a  form of a clasp.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Or a ribbon and a clasp.

Which is the same really. A cadet that goes to three NCSAs gets a "ribbon" for each, but the second and third are in a  form of a clasp.

Capt. Obvious

Just defending the position that it is in fact two ribbons...

[DakRadz]

Or a ribbon and a clasp.

Which is the same really. A cadet that goes to three NCSAs gets a "ribbon" for each, but the second and third are in a  form of a clasp.

CAPT Obvious

:clap:
Saved to hard disk. 

[Eclipse]

Has anyone hit NHQ on this?

Its one activity and should be one ribbon.

[SarDragon]

Has anyone hit NHQ on this?

Its one activity and should be one ribbon.

OK, let's look at SM Schmuckatelli attending class A in 2008 and class B in 2009, vs. the same guy attending the two classes consecutively in 2010.

Does he get two awards for separate attendance? If so, why not get two awards for attending the same two classes under slightly different circumstances?

[lordmonar]

Has anyone hit NHQ on this?

Its one activity and should be one ribbon.

No...it is two activities...held back to back.

If it were just one activiity then it would not matter if you went to it five years in a row or five weeks in a row!

Each week is a distinct seperate activity that requires two applications.  Each week is a different course.

I guess it would be one activity if your repeated the same course (say GSAR basic course) but that almost never happens.

[Cobra1597]

Has anyone hit NHQ on this?

Its one activity and should be one ribbon.

By that logic, it shouldn't be possible to earn clasps for the Encampment ribbon...

If I'm understanding you correctly.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Has anyone hit NHQ on this?

Its one activity and should be one ribbon.

By that logic, it shouldn't be possible to earn clasps for the Encampment ribbon...

If I'm understanding you correctly.

I think the logic, which I don't agree with, is that you get a ribbon for NESA 2010, not a GTM course 1 and GTM course 2.

[Eclipse]

Does he get two awards for separate attendance? If so, why not get two awards for attending the same two classes under slightly different circumstances?

Because a big part of any CAP activity is peeling yourself from the groove in the couch and getting yourself there.

I see it as one activity, but anyone who believes otherwise without being afraid of losing 1/2 their attachments should just ask NHQ or one of the staff. 

Or, how many attachments do staff get?

[Cms.sloane]

Well I emailed NHQ about that issue and they responded with the answer that's it is one ribbon and one bronze clasp. Becuase it is more than one activity of you break up the two weeks. You could either go one week or the other week. Puting the two weeks together would just equal two different activities.

[DakRadz]

Well I emailed NHQ about that issue and they responded with the answer that's it is one ribbon and one bronze clasp. Becuase it is more than one activity of you break up the two weeks. You could either go one week or the other week. Puting the two weeks together would just equal two different activities.

+1 for the brave cadet NCO

NHQ has been asked, and responded. Sounds like no one loses attachments over this one.

Cadet Sloane, I'll ask before others do- could you please post the email NHQ sent you with this information? Thanks!