June 2010 AIR FORCE Magazine

[rjfoxx]

Check out page 25 of the lastest AIR FORCE Magazine.  Yes, it's an ad, but it features a CAP aircraft (N784CP) and the following paragraph:

When a routine air patrol becomes an uncommon challenge, the extraordinary vision of FLIR Systems' EO/IR systems proves invaluable.  Our advanced sensors deliver greater clarity, range and mission flexibility for civilian-supported search-and-rescue, homeland security, and disaster reliefs operations.  FLIR. Giving your Civil Air Patrol team the critical vision for mission success.

Edit: N784CP appears to be based in Alabama

[Flying Pig]

What CAP aircraft have a FLIR?  (The surrogate Predator is not a FLIR, its an L3 Wescam MX-15)  or is FLIR trying to get us to buy one? 

Your looking at about $250K for a FLIR 8000.

[a2capt]

A couple times, my unit has gotten a fat envelope of propaganda from FLIR.  Even with the cost, I guess they want to make sure if you need one, you know where to go.

[flyboy53]

Good press....remember OPSEC, people....you need to be checking with the proper people and not debating this issue in this forum.

[jimmydeanno]

^???

[davidsinn]

Good press....remember OPSEC, people....you need to be checking with the proper people and not debating this issue in this forum.

What OPSEC? We don't have FLIR. That's common knowledge.

[cap235629]

Our squadron has a hand held FLIR unit issued by wing.  2 were purchased for the wing by the Arkansas Department of Emergency Management.

[DG]

I think North Dakota Wing has FLIR.

[davidsinn]

I think North Dakota Wing has FLIR.

Aircraft mounted? If it's hand held it's just an IR camera not FLIR.

[Flying Pig]

Debating what?  It was in the AF Magazine!  I dont know of anyone having a FLIR in CAP and if we did, it wouldnt be OPSEC. FLIR does make hand held models.  Several of our detective units have them.  FLIR is the name of the company that makes them, nothing more. Just like Gyrocam, L3 Wescam, Cineflex, etc. etc.

[a2capt]

OPSEC. For pete's sake.

Thats just hilarious. The AFA magazine? ROTFL.

[davidsinn]

Debating what?  It was in the AF Magazine!  I dont know of anyone having a FLIR in CAP and if we did, it wouldnt be OPSEC. FLIR does make hand held models.  Several of our detective units have them.  FLIR is the name of the company that makes them, nothing more. Just like Gyrocam, L3 Wescam, Cineflex, etc. etc.

I didn't realize it was a trade name now. I thought it was still an acronym.

[Flying Pig]

It is an acronym.  Forward Looking Infra-Red.  The FLIR company developed the acronym.  They were the industry leader from day one, so from then on, everything was a FLIR.  Great marketing.  Make your company name the name of the technology.  Even Gyrocam and the others people still refer to as FLIR's.  The FLIR company has been around about 20 years.

[NIN]

Well, if we're concerned about OPSEC, then I guess we can thank Air Force Magazine & FLIR for a gigantic OPSEC fail.   

Hint: Not everything is OPSEC.

[Flying Pig]

Hint: Not everything is OPSEC.

That statement in itself could be OPSEC. Watch yourself kid.

[A.Member]

Pssst...

FLIR Systems Announces Order of 20 EVS cameras as part of Civil Air Patrol program

...But don't tell anyone you heard it from me. 

[NIN]

Hint: Not everything is OPSEC.

That statement in itself could be OPSEC. Watch yourself kid.

The fact that the sole question my membership board used to ask potential members was "Are you, or have you ever been, an Al Quaeda-affiliated terrorist or person of interest?"  might be OPSEC, too.

[JayT]

Hint: Not everything is OPSEC.

That statement in itself could be OPSEC. Watch yourself kid.

The fact that the sole question my membership board used to ask potential members was "Are you, or have you ever been, an Al Quaeda-affiliated terrorist or person of interest?"  might be OPSEC, too.

Not intentionally. College got pretty wild through.

[SarDragon]

It is an acronym.  Forward Looking Infra-Red.  The FLIR company developed the acronym.  They were the industry leader from day one, so from then on, everything was a FLIR.  Great marketing.  Make your company name the name of the technology.  Even Gyrocam and the others people still refer to as FLIR's.  The FLIR company has been around about 20 years.

That's interesting. I worked around some stuff in the Navy in the early '80s (almost 30 years ago). The A-6E AN/AAS-33 TRAM turret, and the A-7E AN/AAR-42 FLIR pod come to mind, and neither were built by a company named FLIR. TRAM was a Hughes system, and AAR-42 was built by Texas Instruments.

[NIN]

Hint: Not everything is OPSEC.

That statement in itself could be OPSEC. Watch yourself kid.

The fact that the sole question my membership board used to ask potential members was "Are you, or have you ever been, an Al Quaeda-affiliated terrorist or person of interest?"  might be OPSEC, too.

Not intentionally. College got pretty wild through.

"Convicted? No, never convicted"
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