SLS / CLC Prohibited as fundraisers - need a cite

[ltcmark]

On a side note, I have seen many people use CAP activities as a good source for a second income.  The biggest abuse that I witnessed was with a cadet from our squadron that went to a wing sponsored powered flight encampment back in the early 1990's.  This cadet paid $700 to get to his solo, class size was 20 cadets.  The school used CAP aircraft and CAP members for instructors.  The weather was really bad that week and they only got to fly 5 hours with no one getting to the solo flight.  I figured total income for the school was $14,000.  When the cadet returned to the squadron, he mentioned that he was disappointed in not being able to solo and he felt the cost was a little high for what he got.  I figured this to be $140 per hour for a CAP aircraft   I started doing some inquiries with the director of the school and the wing CC at the time.  I was told all the money was spent on the school.  I asked to see the receipts and expenditures on the school.  I was then told by the director and the wing CC that I was out of line with my questioning and that all the money was spent on the activity.  My conclusion was that someone walked off with about $6,000.  Nice income for a weeks work.

I doubt that was the case; even in the 90's however, the WBP and e accounting would make such a "disbursement" impossible to get away with today.

There is no prohibition on using any PD school to be used as a way to  "fund raise" for the wing/group/squadron however, I think it is not a good way to raise funds.  We pay enough in time and money to be a member.  It's much better to fund raise by getting hold of "OPM" to add to our coffers.....

Sorry Col, but this was the case.  I was Squadron Commander at the time, I was the one making the phone calls along with the cadet's parents.

Wing banker does make things more accountable and transparent, but there are still a lot of CAP sponsored activities that do not get run though the books.   Right, wrong or indifferent it still happens today.

[lordmonar]

Just to play devils advocate......not knowing anything about any of this....but even if there was a surplus after the event....there is no requirement to return any money.

Having said that....again not knowing any of the details.....any week long activities has costs associated with it.   A $700 activity fee included things like food and lodging, materials AND of course fuel and operating costs of the planes.

If you loped off $200 for food lodging and materials that gives you $500 for fuel.  If everyone got 5 hours...that is pretty close to the remaining money.  The rest of the flying cost may have been scheduled to be paid out of other funds.  (say....if we pay for 5 hours National pays for the other 5).  So there may not have been any surplus.

Again playing devil's advocate....even if there were a surplus.....it may have gone back to the wing/region/national.  Saying that someone pocketed the difference is a very serious charge.  Just because they said you could not look at their books does not mean anyone was stealing from CAP.

If you felt something was not Kosher.....your proper actions should have been to open a formal IG complaint.

[FW]

Sorry, I wasn't clear.  I meant to say I doubt some individual would have stolen the money and got away with it.  It is possible, I just doubt it. 

All CAP "sponsored" activities must be "run through the books".  If not, it isn't a CAP activity and won't be indemnified if something goes wrong.  I hope that isn't happening.  And, as Maj Harris states; if there is a problem, report it.