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Red Service Ribbon

Started by LeeWilon, September 13, 2018, 01:50:42 pm

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LeeWilon

Is there paperwork involved in awarding the 2 year Red Service Ribbon to a Cadet?

hamburgee

You should request approval for the ribbon through your chain of command, once it's approved, if you go to the Service Ribbons page in eServices, you can click "Add Previously Authorized Ribbon" to add the Red Service Ribbon to your file.

Eclipse

Assuming your unit requires it be "awarded" - the Personnel Officer will need to do a Form 2A
and get it approved by the CC.



TheSkyHornet

To piggyback on Eclipse...

Fill out the Form 2A for the individual and put this into their member service record (I'm sure Eclipse will suggest scanning it to an electronic record file  ;) ).

Do not just present a ribbon and not document it, even if it is an 'automatic award' just for being a member for x-years. Make sure you document it.

You may run into some members who went and purchased one of their own because they 'earned it' per the regulations. It still gets recommended and approved.

Mitchell 1969

On a side note - why is it still called the "Red Service Ribbon?"

It made sense when we had them in Red, White, Blue and Silver (or whatever that last one was).  But, why still? Couldn't it just be "The Service Ribbon" or "The Longevity Ribbon?"


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CAP has been bery, bery good to me.

Hawk200

Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on September 14, 2018, 07:03:02 am
On a side note - why is it still called the "Red Service Ribbon?"

It made sense when we had them in Red, White, Blue and Silver (or whatever that last one was).  But, why still? Couldn't it just be "The Service Ribbon" or "The Longevity Ribbon?"


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"Old habits die hard?"  :)

TheSkyHornet


PHall

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 14, 2018, 01:32:24 pm
"Good Conduct"


You can still misbehave and still get a Red Service Ribbon.  >:D

It's more like the CAP equivalent to the Air Force Longevity Service ribbon.

Eclipse

At the baseline, the RSR is nothing more then proof you wrote "x" number of checks.

I've argued for years that it's self-actualizing, but I understand that for members with broken
service dates it's more complicated.

At the point I'd be calling out an RSR, CAP, generally would be in a whole different place squared-away-wise.



TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Eclipse on September 14, 2018, 03:49:27 pm
At the baseline, the RSR is nothing more then proof you wrote "x" number of checks.

I've argued for years that it's self-actualizing, but I understand that for members with broken
service dates it's more complicated.

At the point I'd be calling out an RSR, CAP, generally would be in a whole different place squared-away-wise.


And that's the funky thing with service dates where there is a gap...

If you disappear for 10 years, and get reinstated at your last held rank, your eServices profile makes it look at if there was never a service gap. So someone looking at your dates of service may assume, say, 30 years despite only 20 years.

A good Personnel Officer would be able to track that in someone's record and catch it.

PHall

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 17, 2018, 02:54:51 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on September 14, 2018, 03:49:27 pm
At the baseline, the RSR is nothing more then proof you wrote "x" number of checks.

I've argued for years that it's self-actualizing, but I understand that for members with broken
service dates it's more complicated.

At the point I'd be calling out an RSR, CAP, generally would be in a whole different place squared-away-wise.


And that's the funky thing with service dates where there is a gap...

If you disappear for 10 years, and get reinstated at your last held rank, your eServices profile makes it look at if there was never a service gap. So someone looking at your dates of service may assume, say, 30 years despite only 20 years.

A good Personnel Officer would be able to track that in someone's record and catch it.


No, if you have a break in service it will show because your Date Last Joined is shown.
And that doesn't change for renewals, only for rejoining after a break in service more then 90 days.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: PHall on September 17, 2018, 03:16:16 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on September 17, 2018, 02:54:51 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on September 14, 2018, 03:49:27 pm
At the baseline, the RSR is nothing more then proof you wrote "x" number of checks.

I've argued for years that it's self-actualizing, but I understand that for members with broken
service dates it's more complicated.

At the point I'd be calling out an RSR, CAP, generally would be in a whole different place squared-away-wise.


And that's the funky thing with service dates where there is a gap...

If you disappear for 10 years, and get reinstated at your last held rank, your eServices profile makes it look at if there was never a service gap. So someone looking at your dates of service may assume, say, 30 years despite only 20 years.

A good Personnel Officer would be able to track that in someone's record and catch it.


No, if you have a break in service it will show because your Date Last Joined is shown.
And that doesn't change for renewals, only for rejoining after a break in service more then 90 days.


Hmmm, I'm not seeing that.

We have a member who rejoined a year ago after an extensive gap (I think 10-12 years). His profile says "Joined: dd mmm 1988 ... Rank Date: dd mmm 2003." Then again, I'm not the Personnel Officer or PDO, so I may be missing something.

Anyway, it was just an example.

Eclipse

I know of several members who come and go like CAP is a reading club - they qualify
for multiple RSRs, but their service is not unbroken and there's no way eServices will reflect that.



PHall

I have a 8 year break in service and the Last Join Date in e-Services shows when I rejoined and not when I initially joined as a cadet or when I went to the dark side and became a senior.
So I'm going off of what is in my records that are in e-Services.

LSThiker

Quote from: PHall on September 17, 2018, 05:29:45 pm
I have a 8 year break in service and the Last Join Date in e-Services shows when I rejoined and not when I initially joined as a cadet or when I went to the dark side and became a senior.
So I'm going off of what is in my records that are in e-Services.


It depends on how NHQ inputs the information.  They are not always consistent due to a number of reasons.

We have two members that have 20-30 year breaks in service:
Member 1:  Joined the unit as a cadet back in the 1980s.  Got C/Amn and left after a year.  Joined a few years ago, NHQ had no available information on him.  He had proof of his membership back in the 80s but did not turn it into NHQ.  His join date shows 2014.

Member 2:  Was a cadet back in the early 80s, earned the Spaatz and left in 1990.  When he joined earlier this year, he sent his Spaatz, Earhart, and Mitchell certificates into NHQ.  NHQ changed his join date as 1983.  Interestingly, his Spaatz has no certificate number, so he shows as number 0. 

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Eclipse on September 17, 2018, 04:04:18 pm
I know of several members who come and go like CAP is a reading club - they qualify
for multiple RSRs, but their service is not unbroken and there's no way eServices will reflect that.


Holy jeez, yes.

I know of some who have reinstated 4 times after falling off the roster for not renewing, disappearing for a bit, only to return.

Generally, my giveaway on someone's profile is when I check their training/promotion dates. I may see a join date of 2008 with a Level I completion date of 2018. This is an immediate indicator that someone "left and came back," for whatever reason. The same goes for seeing them as a Senior Member in 2018 but as a Captain in 2012.

SarDragon

Well, I just did a reasonably detailed look at my own record, and all I can seem to find is my First Joined date, but not labeled as such. There also used to be a Last Joined Date in the system, which was when I rejoined after a six year lapse. I will continue to look, when I have a bit more time, and see where that date is now located.

My Red Service ribbon is up to date, because I have documentation of all my years of paid membership. I will be providing ths when I apply for my 50 year membership is about a year and a half.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

AlphaSigOU

Back in the olden days when the earth cooled and dinosaurs roamed the earth - even before I was a cadink - there were three CAP service ribbons:


Red Service Ribbon
White Service Ribbon
Blue Service Ribbon


Each ribbon was awarded for a certain number of service hours to CAP.
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Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
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Mitchell 1969

Quote from: AlphaSigOU on September 18, 2018, 04:52:53 pm
Back in the olden days when the earth cooled and dinosaurs roamed the earth - even before I was a cadink - there were three CAP service ribbons:


Red Service Ribbon
White Service Ribbon
Blue Service Ribbon


Each ribbon was awarded for a certain number of service hours to CAP.


There were SEVEN service ribbons. But not all were in use at once.

The WWII era service ribbons were Green, Red and Blue. The Red and Blue did not look like the later Red and Blue versions; the award criteria was also different. Therefore, they were entirely different from the later ones and should be counted separately. They were awarded for hours of service. (That's three ribbons).

Starting in 1949, the service ribbons were Red, White and Blue. They were awarded for combinations of hours and years. The Blue and White lasted until "The Great Ribbon Purge of '71." (That's three more, total of six).

Then there was the "Silver Service Ribbon," awarded for 25 years service. It lasted from 1967 to 1971. (And, that's service Ribbon #7).

The only survivor is the 1949 Red Service Ribbon, which has changed in design, dropping the prop, and in criteria, being based on years and not hours.



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Bernard J. Wilson, Major, CAP

Mitchell 1969; Earhart 1971; Eaker 1973. Cadet Flying Encampment, License, 1970. IACE New Zealand 1971; IACE Korea 1973.

CAP has been bery, bery good to me.

SarDragon

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Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret