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Promotion Time

Started by TheMeepMan, December 07, 2017, 03:30:20 pm

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TheMeepMan

I just got promoted to A1C the other day. One thing though, it has only been 30 days since my last promotion. I have the ribbon and everything, but am not promoted on eServices. What do I do?
C/1sLt TheMeepMan
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Eclipse

Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 03:30:20 pm
I just got promoted to A1C the other day. One thing though, it has only been 30 days since my last promotion. I have the ribbon and everything, but am not promoted on eServices. What do I do?


Talk to your CDC or Commander and request it be entered.  Gently remind them to enter the effective date when
you were promoted, not when you ask about it.



TheMeepMan

I asked, and he said i have to wait 30 days before it can be uploaded onto eServices. Is there anything I can do or do I just have to wait.
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Eclipse

Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 03:56:51 pm
I asked, and he said i have to wait 30 days before it can be uploaded onto eServices. Is there anything I can do or do I just have to wait.


They are mistaken.  It take 30 seconds to click the box, and if you have completed the requirements.

There is no reason whatsoever to not process promotions immediately, and in fact, not doing so holds you back from working
on your next promotion since you can't take the next online tests until the previous promotion is approved.

It might be time to have a conversation that includes your parents and a copy of the regulations.



TheMeepMan

I get that, but I just promoted in November, and he accidentally promoted me again in December and that I technically wasn't eligible, I hope this does not hold me back.
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Cadetter

Assuming you don't have accelerated promotions due to JROTC, you should not have been promoted yet. Your ceremony should occur in January when you are eligible for promotion.
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darkmatter

the system doesint allow for mistakes like promoting each month unless you are JROTC as far as im aware

Eclipse

Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 03:30:20 pm
I just got promoted to A1C the other day. One thing though, it has only been 30 days since my last promotion. I have the ribbon and everything, but am not promoted on eServices. What do I do?


Wait, are you saying you got promoted to A1C in less then 56 days?



MrsRoe

I recommend keeping the super chart on hand. I believe it's in learn to lead 1. Your min time in grade is 8 weeks so you can and will promote then.

http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/Cadet_Super_Chart_94732A5667D92_C5995ABD1FAC3.pdf





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TheMeepMan

Guys, it goes like this. I accidentally got promoted to A1C in 4 weeks. I do not do JROTC. It was a mistake by the CDC. I got my ribbon and everything in the ceremony but it is not technical, since it cannot be put on eServices. Again, it has been less than 56 days.
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MrsRoe

Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 05:17:06 pm
Guys, it goes like this. I accidentally got promoted to A1C in 4 weeks. I do not do JROTC. It was a mistake by the CDC. I got my ribbon and everything in the ceremony but it is not technical, since it cannot be put on eServices. Again, it has been less than 56 days.



There's truly a wealth of information available on Eservices and I find it surprising that after promoting once you did not know to or did not reference the super chart. I recommend taking full personal responsibility in the future when making sure you are indeed set to promote. 


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Eclipse

Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 05:17:06 pm
Guys, it goes like this. I accidentally got promoted to A1C in 4 weeks. I do not do JROTC. It was a mistake by the CDC. I got my ribbon and everything in the ceremony but it is not technical, since it cannot be put on eServices. Again, it has been less than 56 days.


To be clear, you aren't even eligible for promotion until at least 56 days have passed, so you
should not be wearing A1C or the ribbon until eServices shows that new grade.

You may well have completed the academics and PT, but Time In Grade is important and isn't
waiveable, without that completed you aren't and weren't an A1C (yet).

Wear the proper grade, and if people ask, tell them why.  You should also tell you CDC or whomever
does promotions regarding the mistake.



Spam

Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 03:30:20 pm
I just got promoted to A1C the other day. One thing though, it has only been 30 days since my last promotion. I have the ribbon and everything, but am not promoted on eServices. What do I do?


Concur... you got the promotion CEREMONY, but you should continue to wear your authorized single stripe until you are time in grade eligible in JAN18. If you know the exact date, you could gently remind your Commander or Deputy Commander that "next TUE is my effective promotion date, when you can enter it online, right sir/ma'am?".  Then, after he clicks, pin on with pride - and test!

Before we had eServices to hold units to the regs, the (often innocent/ignorant if well meaning) abuses were rampant. I knew one unit which was promoting Mitchell cadets with a 70 percent score for years in the early '90s, and other units which skipped PT tests, or ignored time in grade completely. Good intentions are protected against, now (grin).

Congratulations on your Achievement - you could spend time over the holidays prepping to ace your next set of tests when they're available!

Good luck,
Spam






TheMeepMan

Thanks Spam, Eclipse, and everyone else that really helped. I will contact my CDC in Jan and tell him about this, and ask him to upload it onto eServices.
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He can't upload it until 56 days have passed from your promotion to Airman.
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TheSkyHornet

Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 08:27:22 pm
Thanks Spam, Eclipse, and everyone else that really helped. I will contact my CDC in Jan and tell him about this, and ask him to upload it onto eServices.


.....contact him today  ::)

wacapgh

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on December 08, 2017, 05:59:58 pm
Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 08:27:22 pm
Thanks Spam, Eclipse, and everyone else that really helped. I will contact my CDC in Jan and tell him about this, and ask him to upload it onto eServices.


.....contact him today  ::)


+1
From what you have described, there may be other Cadets in your unit who have similar issues. Your reminder may help other Cadets in your unit.

AkFinesse

Isn't there a required time in grade or at least 60 days though? Like if you wouldn't be eligible for promotion if you haven't spent 60 days in your grade?



Quote from: Eclipse on December 07, 2017, 04:20:44 pm
Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 03:56:51 pm
I asked, and he said i have to wait 30 days before it can be uploaded onto eServices. Is there anything I can do or do I just have to wait.


They are mistaken.  It take 30 seconds to click the box, and if you have completed the requirements.

There is no reason whatsoever to not process promotions immediately, and in fact, not doing so holds you back from working
on your next promotion since you can't take the next online tests until the previous promotion is approved.

It might be time to have a conversation that includes your parents and a copy of the regulations.

darkmatter

Quote from: AkFinesse on December 18, 2017, 10:03:13 pm
Isn't there a required time in grade or at least 60 days though? Like if you wouldn't be eligible for promotion if you haven't spent 60 days in your grade?


there is, unless your a member of JROTC then you only need 30 days ( 4 weeks) but most cadets arnt members of both CAP and JROTC

AkFinesse

So unless our friend was a member of JROTC, he/she should not have been eligible for the promotion they recieved, and it's not the squadron commander's fault that they can't put it in eservices?

Quote from: darkmatter on December 18, 2017, 10:13:03 pm
Quote from: AkFinesse on December 18, 2017, 10:03:13 pm
Isn't there a required time in grade or at least 60 days though? Like if you wouldn't be eligible for promotion if you haven't spent 60 days in your grade?


there is, unless your a member of JROTC then you only need 30 days ( 4 weeks) but most cadets arnt members of both CAP and JROTC

TheSkyHornet

56 days, not 60.

If you (a cadet) were to join Civil Air Patrol on January 1, you are eligible to promote to C/Amn on January 1, pending the completion of required training (i.e., testing, Wingman).

If you promote to C/Amn on, say, June 1 (because it took that long), you would be eligible to promote to C/A1C on July 27. At no time between June 1 and July 26 should you be wearing C/A1C insignia because you have not yet promoted.

If a Commander says "Go ahead and wear the insignia," the Commander is wrong. It is not the Commander's fault that he cannot enter it into eServices yet. It is the Commander's fault for not following the regulatory process in promoting a cadet that cannot compliantly be promoted.

If you are wearing C/A1C insignia on July 20 (in the case above), you are still a C/Amn and are wearing the wrong insignia. You need to be wearing C/Amn insignia.

This goes for a C/CMSgt who has passed a board on July 20 but cannot be promoted in eServices to C/2d Lt until July 27. It's wrong. You are not authorized to wear anything other than C/CMSgt insignia. Nobody can authorize what insignia you have on. You may only wear the insignia of your current grade. This also goes for a senior member 1st Lt who is waiting on time in grade to hit Capt. He cannot wear Capt insignia until he is officially a Capt. Nobody cares what the Commander says, or what the review board says. If you haven't yet promoted, you haven't yetpromoted.


This is not rocket science here, guys.

wacapgh

Quote from: TheMeepMan on December 07, 2017, 03:30:20 pm
I just got promoted to A1C the other day. One thing though, it has only been 30 days since my last promotion. I have the ribbon and everything, but am not promoted on eServices. What do I do?


After carefully re-reading your original post (see above), you have not been promoted to C/A1C. Promotions are only effective when the new grade shows up in eServices, and as you state, it has not been entered and approved.

There are no "temporary" grades in the Cadet program - you wear what is shown in eServices.

Until eServices records the promotion, remove the C/A1C stripe and Arnold ribbon. Wear your C/Amn grade and Curry award ribbon.

If there are questions, refer to CAPR 52-16, 5-2. Cadet Promotions:

f. Promotions in Grade. Advancement, and the promotions in grade that accompany it, becomes official when the squadron commander (or designee) endorses the cadet's record in the Cadet Promotions Application in eServices or, alternatively, endorses the CAPF 52-series form.

g. Temporary & Discretionary Grades. There are no temporary promotions or demotions, including temporary or "field" promotions or demotions at encampments and other activities. There are no discretionary grades. Cadets will wear their earned grade on their uniform at every CAP activity. The only grades authorized are those shown in CAPVA 52-100.