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SAC Alert teams

Started by Nikos, July 18, 2017, 09:08:21 pm

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Nikos

What is a SAC Air Police Camper alert team?  Is the word "Camper" a description for a special, or secret  air police team?

Eclipse

http://www.usafpolice.org/sac-missile-duty.html

"Camper Alert Teams
Technology was not infallible and when it broke men had to fill the breach. At SAC Minuteman bases, these breaches were filled by Camper Alert Teams or CATs. SAC's Minuteman missile wings were concentrated at six bases with each wing controlling 150 to 200 ICBMs located at remote launch facilities sometimes as far as 160 miles from the base. Each of these launch facilities was protected by electronic sensors and physical barriers and when the sensors failed, a two-man Security Police CAT was dispatched from the base to the site to provide security until the sensors could be repaired.

The CAT vehicle was similar to those seen on any weekend in parks and campgrounds nationwide--a camper mounted on a pickup. The two team members lived on-site in the camper for anywhere from two to three days and were equipped with weapons, ammo, "foil pack" TV-type dinners, water, and, in winter, a survival kit. CATs covered a lot of miles; in one quarter the CATs of the 321st SPG at Grand Forks were  dispatched 80 times, driving 107,636 miles and using 13,910 gallons of gasoline. Once on site, the life of a CAT member was little better than one of the "Ramp Rats." While one slept or relaxed, the other patrolled the launch facility in whatever weather nature came up with. It was "a lonely and monotonous job..." one observer noted with a sense of irony, which "never has been and never will be a picnic."



kcebnaes

So, it's basically a real version of the "EM-50" from the movie Stripes?
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stillamarine

Quote from: kcebnaes on July 19, 2017, 01:06:07 am
So, it's basically a real version of the "EM-50" from the movie Stripes?


You sir win.
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PHall

Quote from: kcebnaes on July 19, 2017, 01:06:07 am
So, it's basically a real version of the "EM-50" from the movie Stripes?


Nope, just a base model 1960's camper on the back of a beat up USAF pick-up.

Luis R. Ramos

I would think that the USAF sent out specs asking to replace one of those campers that a military contractor received and submitted the EM 50 or something like it...
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PHall

Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on July 20, 2017, 12:47:29 pm
I would think that the USAF sent out specs asking to replace one of those campers that a military contractor received and submitted the EM 50 or something like it...


Nope, SAC had a problem that needed a fix right now. The quickest fix was to order a dozen off-the-shelf campers from an RV manufacturer.
Problem solved.

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Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on July 20, 2017, 12:47:29 pm
I would think that the USAF sent out specs asking to replace one of those campers that a military contractor received and submitted the EM 50 or something like it...



They have used the venerable UH-1N for quite a time in the security role out there. Funny thing, this came across my desk TUE:
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=f1b5044f080c37b63521aebb42b04d25&tab=core&_cview=1

UH-1N Replacement Program
Solicitation Number: FA8629-17-R-2507
Agency: Department of the Air Force
Office: Air Force Materiel Command
Location: AFLCMC/PK - WPAFB (includes PZ, WL, WW, WI, WN, WK, LP, WF, WK)

USAF Releases Final Huey Replacement RFP
The Air Force on July 14 released its final request for proposals to replace the UH-1N fleet that patrols the service's nuclear missile fields. The proposal calls for responses by Aug. 28, with a contract award expected in spring 2018. The service is looking for an initial operating capability as early as 2020. The Air Force has repeatedly released draft RFPs, as recently as April, after industry told the Air Force it could not meet requirements with an "off the shelf" solution. The Air Force wants to buy 84 helicopters, with the bulk of the fleet providing security for Air Force Global Strike Command, though they also will be used for transporting VIPs.

So, if you're interested in bidding against the "usual suspects", there you go.

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SarDragon

July 21, 2017, 04:04:48 am #8 Last Edit: July 21, 2017, 07:09:09 pm by SarDragon
What's wrong with a 45+ year old platform?  >:D I worked on them during my first enlistment.  :o

Maybe they should just get Bell to do another run of AH-1Ys UH-1Ys. They seem to be doing well for the Marines.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

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Because the platform is used to transport people, not just munitions. Its a VIP transport as well.

Trying to get half of OSD and various Secretaries to agree to strap onto an AH-1 hardpoint wouldn't work well...

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WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE
The Air Force has launched a $4.1 billion program to replace 62 decades-old UH-1N Huey helicopter to guard intercontinental nuclear missile bases on the Great Plains and transport high-level officials in "continuity of government" operations.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/business/air-force-purchase-helicopters-that-would-guard-nuclear-bases/r4v5EgTBEM1mPI1wQdyYDP/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%207.17.21&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief


SarDragon

OOPS!

I fixed it. The upgraded Huey is the "Yankee". The upgraded Cobra is the "Zulu".
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Nikos

Here I am thinking the word "camper" means something like " combined alert military police emergency response".  I did not know it is the EM-50 project!  Is the EM-50 still in service?

abdsp51

Quote from: Nikos on July 23, 2017, 05:46:43 pm
Here I am thinking the word "camper" means something like " combined alert military police emergency response".  I did not know it is the EM-50 project!  Is the EM-50 still in service?


You're kidding right? 

Nikos


PHall

Quote from: Nikos on July 23, 2017, 05:46:43 pm
Here I am thinking the word "camper" means something like " combined alert military police emergency response".  I did not know it is the EM-50 project!  Is the EM-50 still in service?


No Camper as in you two are camping here at this missile silo until the security system is back up!

Eclipse

Quote from: PHall on July 23, 2017, 08:16:41 pm
Quote from: Nikos on July 23, 2017, 05:46:43 pm
Here I am thinking the word "camper" means something like " combined alert military police emergency response".  I did not know it is the EM-50 project!  Is the EM-50 still in service?


No Camper as in you two are camping here at this missile silo until the security system is back up!





abdsp51

Space Command still gets the money.  Equipment has gotten nicer.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FiiOKi3y4OY8%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiiOKi3y4OY8&docid=cZVK_J4Jk_Q3lM&tbnid=3swMyIm9Mr1oBM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiG1Z7kwqDVAhVGzlQKHSrIDBAQMwgrKAQwBA..i&w=1920&h=1080&bih=589&biw=1280&q=USAF%20Camper%20Alert%20Teams&ved=0ahUKEwiG1Z7kwqDVAhVGzlQKHSrIDBAQMwgrKAQwBA&iact=mrc&uact=8


sardak

July 23, 2017, 11:44:54 pm #17 Last Edit: July 23, 2017, 11:48:26 pm by sardak
The missles were moved to Global Strike Command, it gets the money.

CAP Camper version.


Mike

abdsp51

Personally they never should have done away with SAC... Then the issues that cropped up over the last 10 Years wouldn't have happened.

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That pic from Eclipse brings memories. I drove a surplus USAF, 1975 Dodge CAP COV six pack just like that USAF one (without camper top, blue beanie, or rifle) in FLWG for some time in the 80s/early 90s. It was an awesome GSAR platform. Bullet proof powertrain, plenty of power, lift kit and big knobbies that we'd air down when we went off pavement, etc. Carried a full kit of gear in the back and a full six guys up front. Dual alternators, plenty of power for radios.

Yet, we did lose the peripherals gradually, and had to adapt/improvise/overcome. On one actual mission (missing C-152 student pilot out of Lantana c.1991, LTC W. Roshaven as MC) the wipers failed in rain. We tied a boot lace to each wiper and the two front seat cadets coordinated pulling the wipers left and right through the window vents, as I drove slowly and carefully - worked great. Pulled the wiper and replaced for the next days sortie, boom.

Having spent many a night in that vehicle, I gotta smile... not a bad night in all of them. Good times. Helped a lot of people in bad storms/incidents. Lotta late night and en route mentoring and growing up (at those CAP-safe 54 mph highway speeds, you had a LOT of time on hand)!

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