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« on: September 27, 2016, 04:11:14 AM »

In case others are tired of debating the AFOEA and uniforms:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/business/woman-26-easyjet-youngest-pilot-captain/index.html
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 02:30:36 PM »

I'm not sure if I should be impressed or worried. The age and experience of flight crews has been a topic of discussion over the past decade or so. Does this pilot have enough experience to fly a regional route? Probably, in conditions with little potential for an in-flight emergency. Does the FO have the experience? Do they have enough combined experience to be operating a passenger aircraft? Mebbe. But it wouldn't be the first time that a carrier handed the keys to someone who then slammed into a maintenance hangar. There is too much flash attached to the "first" or "youngest" or "oldest" or "insert special group here" instead of relying on the safest....
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 03:17:48 PM »

I'm not sure if I should be impressed or worried. The age and experience of flight crews has been a topic of discussion over the past decade or so. Does this pilot have enough experience to fly a regional route? Probably, in conditions with little potential for an in-flight emergency. Does the FO have the experience? Do they have enough combined experience to be operating a passenger aircraft? Mebbe. But it wouldn't be the first time that a carrier handed the keys to someone who then slammed into a maintenance hangar. There is too much flash attached to the "first" or "youngest" or "oldest" or "insert special group here" instead of relying on the safest....


As someone as old as the Captain...these were my thoughts as well!
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 03:45:39 PM »

http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/youngest-commercial-airline-captain-jonathan-keith-o-derek



So what happened to Jonathan Strickland?

He's all over the tubes last year as the "youngest airline Captain" at 25, the video below says
as of August this year he's "flying 767s internationally", (of course in Europe "international" flights
can make CAP sorties look long), but his Linked-in indicates "First Officer", and GoJet is a regional out
of Missouri that only has about 5 destinations.  Perhaps since he wasn't working for a "major"
he doesn't count?


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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 08:01:23 PM »

Here's a bit of info from a link in the Emergency Landing thread:

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The captain of the flight was Carlos Dardano. At just 29 years of age, Dardano had already amassed 13,410 flight hours. Almost 11,000 of these hours were as pilot in command.

Having that many hours is one thing. How you are using, or not using the experience is another. Back in '07, a couple of pilots, with a combined 53,000 ours in the air, managed a nighttime CFIT.

ETA: Failing to mention the specific event was intentional. Let's keep it that way.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 08:22:09 PM »

Just to add to the conversation: 

annual salaries

EasyJet
     Captain ~$130k (US)
     Flight Officer ~$60K (US)

Gojet
     Captain ~$60k
     Flight Officer ~$40K

At least in the US, many carriers only pay for flight hours, so while GoJet may
"guarantee" 75 hours a month, there's a lot of unpaid in those numbers as well.

A single guy or gal may be able to couch ride a few years for $40k, but not with a family,
and it's made even harder with 4+ years of college loans, not to mention probably additional
flight training and rentals on your back.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2016, 01:12:55 AM »

I seen a documentary that showed a lot of UK pilots go and fly Indonesia to build up hours, just to get a job back in the UK.

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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2016, 02:04:00 AM »

I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2016, 09:31:50 AM »

I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.

Beat me too it. I was flying crews and pax around the world at 26 as the A-Code.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2016, 03:28:38 PM »

I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.


Do they move tens of thousands of people around per year?
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2016, 04:03:30 PM »

Certainly thousands, and much more cargo.

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2016, 04:55:50 PM »

Certainly thousands, and much more cargo.

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Cargo isn't really an issue. Much like our ORM, it's about the risk factors. If a Cargo plane goes down, the loss of life is drastically less than if a passanger jet goes down.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2016, 05:02:06 PM »

A heavy is a heavy. Any pilot who isn't covering his own ass, regardless of what he is carrying, probably shouldn't be in the cockpit.

Flying cargo has its own hazards - composition, tie-down security, etc, things he has little control of.

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2016, 05:10:20 PM »

Another thing with cargo. If a cargo plane hits the ground in an uncontrolled manner, it may kill people like a passenger plane crashing.

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2016, 05:47:32 PM »

I seen a documentary that showed a lot of UK pilots go and fly Indonesia to build up hours, just to get a job back in the UK.



Outstanding video - thanks for sharing!  I had not heard of the show & thoroughly enjoyed it.
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2016, 05:53:01 PM »

I seen a documentary that showed a lot of UK pilots go and fly Indonesia to build up hours, just to get a job back in the UK.



Outstanding video - thanks for sharing!  I had not heard of the show & thoroughly enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed it! I heard about it last semester at the school I was flying at. Several of the graduates actually applied there to build up hours.


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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2016, 08:09:49 PM »

We have fighter pilots that age if not younger and honestly... who cares?  Why are people still writing articles about female pilots like its somehow an anomaly ?
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2016, 08:10:43 PM »

I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.


Do they move tens of thousands of people around per year?

Completely irrelevant
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2016, 08:41:55 PM »

I don't see a "problem" with a 26 year old Captain. There are lot's of 26 year old Aircraft Commanders in Air Mobility Command.
And they command everything from C-130's to C-5's.


Do they move tens of thousands of people around per year?

Completely irrelevant

Disagree.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2016, 09:45:26 PM »

Grunt-

Thanks for the Indonesia video. Entertaining and eye opener...
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