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Tools of the trade / Re: Mobiles not supported by N...
Last post by Eclipse - Today at 12:52:10 am
Quote from: Spam on Yesterday at 09:41:03 pmAndrew did.

Not really relevent to the infrastructure that CAP portends to supplement in a disaster today.

Cell phones were a luxury and there was effectively no consumer access to the internet, and it certainly
wasn't considered the strategic infrastructure that it is today.

In 1992 you're talking hard-mounted "Car Phones", and maybe a bag phone if you had a few shekels.
Palm was founded in '92, and the first SMS wasn't sent until Dec of that year.  Certainly it
could be considered a bell-weather year, but cell phones and internet were by no means consumer devices
or a factor in the average home.

Vesuvius knocked out the coconut wireless, but citing that doesn't mean much now.
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Tools of the trade / Re: Mobiles not supported by N...
Last post by Spam - Yesterday at 09:41:03 pm
Andrew did.

Hurricane Andrew (Cat 5, 1992) took out the landlines and even the cell system of the day, and is a FEMA lesson learned for infrastructure damage tolerance (or lack thereof). The cell sites ran on emergency batteries for a few hours, then went silent, leaving hundreds of thousands with no landlines and no cell and reliant on newspapers and mouth to mouth rumor control. (*Yes kids, we did have cells back then, and we did have BBSs and we even had CAP packet radio to pass text messages and images)! But when the power went down and the gennys ran dry, we were knocked back further than the mid 1800s (which at least had the telegraph).

See
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/special-reports/hurricane-andrew/article1940282.html
for a retrospective discussion of the changes since then (e.g. cell sites that now have ten day power reserves). Consider however the bandwidth available.

R/s
Spam
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CAP sUAS Discussions / Re: sUAS In Person Training an...
Last post by etodd - Yesterday at 08:54:27 pm
Yes, in our Wing whatever directives are given for airplane crews also applies to sUAS Teams. So for us, we are now able to restart some one-on-one training, along with giving F5Us, F91Us, etc. Use the same COVID ORM as aircrews. Wear masks, keep some distance, sanitize, etc. etc. :)
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Tools of the trade / Re: Mobiles not supported by N...
Last post by CAP9907 - Yesterday at 08:40:12 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on Yesterday at 08:20:00 pm
Quote from: CAP9907 on Yesterday at 07:49:11 pmAs I said, it has not been stressed with a real-world event as commercial Comms have always been available.

This is the key sentence always missed in these comm discussion.

There hasn't been any event in CONUS, or even Puerto Rico for that matter, that took out the
commercial infrastructure, even back to Katrina cell phones worked down to the Gulf coast.

If it's still working, CAP isn't needed, and if it's down at a scale that CAP constantly
purports, CAP isn't going to be able to help in a meaningful way.

I agree.

For us, this was an arbitrary goal that we set and achieved. It's good for morale and training (or maybe bragging rights? lol) but likely not much more than that. And all on our team know that and we're ok with it.

~9907
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Tools of the trade / Re: Mobiles not supported by N...
Last post by Eclipse - Yesterday at 08:20:00 pm
Quote from: CAP9907 on Yesterday at 07:49:11 pmAs I said, it has not been stressed with a real-world event as commercial Comms have always been available.

This is the key sentence always missed in these comm discussion.

There hasn't been any event in CONUS, or even Puerto Rico for that matter, that took out the
commercial infrastructure, even back to Katrina cell phones worked down to the Gulf coast.

If it's still working, CAP isn't needed, and if it's down at a scale that CAP constantly
purports, CAP isn't going to be able to help in a meaningful way.
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Tools of the trade / Re: Mobiles not supported by N...
Last post by CAP9907 - Yesterday at 07:49:11 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on Yesterday at 07:28:39 pm
Quote from: CAP9907 on Yesterday at 06:56:05 pmWe've solved the alerting problem with radio nets once a day and standing orders for more frequent nets for WX or other world events.

Um, really?

In my parts they go once a day, like always, no change, with very little
participation, and mostly by people without any ES rating who
could not even sign into a mission.

Yes, really. Participation is small, but everyone who checks-in is at least a MRO in training and are free to sign into our training mission. We have an asst  DC who monitors activity and provides for quality assurance and compliance. I'm not saying that we have IC's check in daily, but the net runs and usually once a week an IC will check-in for confidence checks of the equipment.

 When we have HF WT traffic from NHQ, it always gets to an IC (for practice) eventually... may take a few days after it's entered into the system but it gets there via VHF. The system works, almost always with pre-notice and coordination. As I said, it has not been stressed with a real-world event as commercial Comms have always been available.
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Tools of the trade / Re: Mobiles not supported by N...
Last post by Eclipse - Yesterday at 07:28:39 pm
Quote from: CAP9907 on Yesterday at 06:56:05 pmWe've solved the alerting problem with radio nets once a day and standing orders for more frequent nets for WX or other world events.

Um, really?

In my parts they go once a day, like always, no change, with very little
participation, and mostly by people without any ES rating who
could not even sign into a mission.
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Tools of the trade / Re: Mobiles not supported by N...
Last post by CAP9907 - Yesterday at 06:56:05 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on Yesterday at 04:48:38 amYep - and >less< radios isn't going to make that better.

In Nov 2016, there was a national mandate for the 2017 Comm Plan to create "a radio-only path to commanders at all levels".

See the 2017 NHQ communications plan template, ยง2.5.  "C2 Readiness" for detail.


Because this mandate was clearly not attainable, we decided to modify it to something more achievable: "radio-only path to INCIDENT commanders" and actually have accomplished it. We've solved the alerting problem with radio nets once a day and standing orders for more frequent nets for WX or other world events. 3 years on and we are still running right along, but with ZERO real-world use as it's all been 'exercise only'.

~9907
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CAP sUAS Discussions / sUAS In Person Training and Op...
Last post by kcebnaes - Yesterday at 06:06:02 pm
I received word from NHQ that Gen Smith's Memorandum on"Ongoing COVID-19 Operations" DOES include sUAS. We just need make sure we follow the same procedures as best we can as the manned teams.

Thought my fellow DOUs might want to know this, especially if you're in a Phase 0 state like I am.
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: Silver on Blue AFSC badges...
Last post by SarDragon - Yesterday at 06:37:44 am
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