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Title: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on December 20, 2009, 01:48:14 AM
People probably would say why am I creating a topic like this here is the reason. I just recieved a pre christmas gift a Windows 98 laptop. I am struggling to figure out what office programs, to maps I can use.
All help would be  very helpfull.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: lordmonar on December 20, 2009, 01:57:33 AM
Tie a rope to the Lap Top.  Tie the other end to a row boat.....throw laptop into water.

 ;D

Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on December 20, 2009, 02:02:12 AM
Tie a rope to the Lap Top.  Tie the other end to a row boat.....throw laptop into water.

 ;D
No its almost a 2000 dollar win dows 98  used.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: RiverAux on December 20, 2009, 02:07:14 AM
Boy, you're going to have a tough time using that with just about everything.  Your best bet is to ask around to see if anyone has any old software they haven't thrown away. 

FYI, it might have been worth 2K new, but now its in the paperweight category. 
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on December 20, 2009, 02:10:09 AM
Boy, you're going to have a tough time using that with just about everything.  Your best bet is to ask around to see if anyone has any old software they haven't thrown away. 

FYI, it might have been worth 2K new, but now its in the paperweight category.
Attention all IT personel message me if you have any Windows 98 software.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on December 20, 2009, 02:10:48 AM
No its almost a 2000 dollar win dows 98  used.

In 1998, it may well have cost the original purchaser $2000.  Today you can buy a Netbook with XP or Linux on it with 10x's the power, 5x's the RAM, and 16x's the drive space for less than $300.

Assuming its been optimized, and has a decent amount of ram on it, you can run programs from that era, including Office, etc., however it likely won't have wireless, or even a built-on NIC for internet, and would be considered a VERY insecure machine for surfing the web.  Microsoft no longer supports Win98, nor do they issues patches or security fixes.  I'm not sure if the last-round can even still be downloaded.

If its upgradeable, I would look into it, but likely its not worth it financially unless you can find the parts used or free.  You might consider
trying the Ubuntu version of Linux, but a Win98-era machine might be underpowered even for that.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Seabee219 on December 20, 2009, 02:27:05 AM
WIndows 98 is not even supported by Microsoft anymore for about a million years now.  Depends on the specs see if it can run XP.  I have software that can run on 98 still including office, not sure how good it will be for changing files, the new office should read older office files, but not the other way around. good luck

Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on December 20, 2009, 02:32:43 AM
I found out from my good friend from GA that he can get tons of Windows 98 software but I was wondering if you could still find CAP software built for a Windows 98.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Spike on December 20, 2009, 02:40:09 AM
Let me get the DeLorean out and have Doc and Marty go back to 1999 for you.  I can not even remember what windows 98 looked like, or what color the fail-crash screen was. 
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Seabee219 on December 20, 2009, 02:45:31 AM
They are always the blue screen of death, blue with white letters.  >:D
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on December 20, 2009, 03:30:26 AM
I found out from my good friend from GA that he can get tons of Windows 98 software but I was wondering if you could still find CAP software built for a Windows 98.

CAP "software"?

Other than the CAP add-on for Flight Sim (which that box will never run), I don't know what would qualify as "CAP Software"  All the forms
will work if you have a Word-compatible office program, or an old copy of Acrobat reader.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: SamFranklin on December 20, 2009, 06:14:09 AM
Give the cadet a break. He's got his own laptop and is excited about that. It's not a Macbook Air, but so what?

Cadet Williams, boot it up and see if it has MS Office 97 installed. If not, check out a flea market or ebay for that software and offer no more than $20 for it.

If you can run Office 97 on it, you can use your laptop as a word processor for school. Ask your technology teacher at school for help, too.

I started with an outdated computer, too. You can get some use out of it. Good luck.


(Maybe the members of this board should show a little more gratitude and compassion once in a while. It's Christmas.)
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: cap235629 on December 20, 2009, 06:18:57 AM
PM sent
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on December 20, 2009, 06:39:55 AM
Give the cadet a break. He's got his own laptop and is excited about that. It's not a Macbook Air, but so what?

He asserted that he had a $2000 Windows 98 machine - those no longer exist.

He asked for "CAP Software" - that never existed.

He's likely expected to be able to use it in ways which will be a practical impossibility, or a financially unfeasible one. For which I made a viable suggestion - Linux (to which he should add a copy of Open Office) which is "free".

It's not a Macbook Air...
Correct, if it was he'd really have something - a boat anchor he could sell to buy a real computer and a boat.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: flyerthom on December 20, 2009, 11:38:34 PM
They are always the blue screen of death, blue with white letters.  >:D
(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-basement-cats-bluescreen.jpg)


As for Win 98 - ebay
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Capt Rivera on December 21, 2009, 12:09:29 AM
http://www.ubuntu.com/ or any linux distro that your hardware can handle.
- Open Office and many other Open Source Free software...

* Google the rest...
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: MikeD on December 21, 2009, 02:47:29 AM
Put Linux on it, I think someone else already suggest Ubuntu.  I'd say Open Office is on your must-have list, and I'd play around with writing code in C and Python on it. 
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on December 21, 2009, 03:00:09 AM
Put Linux on it, I think someone else already suggest Ubuntu.  I'd say Open Office is on your must-have list, and I'd play around with writing code in C and Python on it. 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220584

$289 Shipped. Way more powerful too.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on December 21, 2009, 03:08:36 AM
Today's Woot! is an Aspire for $229.  Good until midnight.

(http://sale.images.woot.com/Acer_Aspire_One_Netbook81uThumbnail.jpg)

http://www.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=3680436
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on December 22, 2009, 10:05:02 PM
I am looking for software such as picture editing software to music software to maps etc for Windows 98.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on December 22, 2009, 10:33:17 PM
The GIMP & Winamp, but you may need to hunt old versions.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: BuckeyeDEJ on December 23, 2009, 07:14:18 AM
If you're going to go Unix, forget Linux and go for the best user experience around Macintosh. So good, in fact, that Bill Gates made a poor copy that ran over DOS called, uh, "Windows."

You might pay a little more, but you get what you pay for. Windows 7 = Mac OS 9
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: davidsinn on December 23, 2009, 11:03:45 AM
If you're going to go Unix, forget Linux and go for the best user experience around Macintosh. So good, in fact, that Bill Gates made a poor copy that ran over DOS called, uh, "Windows."

You might pay a little more, but you get what you pay for. Windows 7 = Mac OS 9

Except you'd pay $2000 for a computer that's really only worth a grand. The cadet has the computer already and is looking to use it as is.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: BuckeyeDEJ on December 23, 2009, 07:27:54 PM
If you're going to go Unix, forget Linux and go for the best user experience around Macintosh. So good, in fact, that Bill Gates made a poor copy that ran over DOS called, uh, "Windows."

You might pay a little more, but you get what you pay for. Windows 7 = Mac OS 9

Except you'd pay $2000 for a computer that's really only worth a grand. The cadet has the computer already and is looking to use it as is.

The base MacBook is $999, and for most people, that's enough.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on December 23, 2009, 08:00:22 PM
If you're going to go Unix, forget Linux and go for the best user experience around Macintosh. So good, in fact, that Bill Gates made a poor copy that ran over DOS called, uh, "Windows."

You might pay a little more, but you get what you pay for. Windows 7 = Mac OS 9

Except you'd pay $2000 for a computer that's really only worth a grand. The cadet has the computer already and is looking to use it as is.

The base MacBook is $999, and for most people, that's enough.

The base laptop these days is what? 500-400?
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: helper on December 23, 2009, 08:16:51 PM
I am looking for software such as picture editing software to music software to maps etc for Windows 98.

You might try Irfanview for the picture editing, music & video playing software. Its FREE and it should work on Win98. Download both the program and the plugins. Read the FAQ's and play with it. I use it for scanning and cropping images for ebay.

http://www.irfanview.com/ (http://www.irfanview.com/)


In addition to an older version of MS Office, you might consider a simple text editor. There are several popular FREE ones available for download from http://download.cnet.com/windows/ (http://download.cnet.com/windows/) Select Top Freeware and browse away.

Some of the fun of using an older PC is locating and installing the software. The process will teach you a lot about computers.

I just had another thought that you might look at purchasing really cheep (or getting free) upgrades like memory or a larger hard drive.  The free part comes in when IT people upgrade and end up with surplus, out of date tech stuff.

enjoy
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on December 23, 2009, 08:21:56 PM
The base MacBook is $999, and for most people, that's enough.

For most people, that's two or three and a printer.

Boutique product, limited feature set, horrible support for business users, too expensive.
World-class engineering, at the expense of choice.  Form over function.

But you do get the xtra-large smug that comes with paying more for no reason.
Don't get me started on the steaming pile of smokescreen that is the iPhone.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on December 23, 2009, 08:32:23 PM
Hey, my fiancee just got the iPhone, after having the Touch for a year. It works as a phone, it has all the features of the Touch.

My touch is very much a media piece for me, even with just wifi. Is it a business phone? Not so much. But then again, I wouldn't want work calling while I'm listening to"My Humps" and playing Spore.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: flyerthom on December 24, 2009, 04:07:18 AM
I am looking for software such as picture editing software to music software to maps etc for Windows 98.
http://www.openoffice.org/ (http://www.openoffice.org/) has everything you can do with MS Office for free.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: SarDragon on December 24, 2009, 05:47:54 AM
I am looking for software such as picture editing software to music software to maps etc for Windows 98.
http://www.openoffice.org/ (http://www.openoffice.org/) has everything you can do with MS Office for free.

But will it run on Win 98?
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: cap235629 on December 24, 2009, 06:15:40 PM
I am looking for software such as picture editing software to music software to maps etc for Windows 98.
http://www.openoffice.org/ (http://www.openoffice.org/) has everything you can do with MS Office for free.

But will it run on Win 98?

version 2 will
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: lordmonar on December 24, 2009, 07:07:06 PM
Try here
http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Search/windows_98.html (http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Search/windows_98.html)
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on December 25, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
I am looking for software such as picture editing software to music software to maps etc for Windows 98.

You might try Irfanview for the picture editing, music & video playing software. Its FREE and it should work on Win98. Download both the program and the plugins. Read the FAQ's and play with it. I use it for scanning and cropping images for ebay.

http://www.irfanview.com/ (http://www.irfanview.com/)


In addition to an older version of MS Office, you might consider a simple text editor. There are several popular FREE ones available for download from http://download.cnet.com/windows/ (http://download.cnet.com/windows/) Select Top Freeware and browse away.

Some of the fun of using an older PC is locating and installing the software. The process will teach you a lot about computers.

I just had another thought that you might look at purchasing really cheep (or getting free) upgrades like memory or a larger hard drive.  The free part comes in when IT people upgrade and end up with surplus, out of date tech stuff.

enjoy
I like the IT please let me know by message when they are.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 15, 2010, 03:59:17 PM
Well I have good news about my (old out of date computer) I have been able to make it sufficient to run. I can put new software on it but only if the software was made from 1990-1999 era.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: C/MSgt Lunsford on February 15, 2010, 04:21:11 PM
People probably would say why am I creating a topic like this here is the reason. I just recieved a pre christmas gift a Windows 98 laptop. I am struggling to figure out what office programs, to maps I can use.
All help would be  very helpfull.
I'm sorry, but Windows 98? Why did someone give you a Windows 98 computer? We are currently on OS Windows 7. Time to sell that computer and get a new(er) one.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 15, 2010, 04:44:59 PM
I'm sorry, but Windows 98? Why did someone give you a Windows 98 computer? We are currently on OS Windows 7. Time to sell that computer and get a new(er) one.

Who's "we"?

While I don't have any 98 machines, I have several Win2k machines, and a number of XP notebooks.  Vista is an abomination before the Lord, and Windows 7 has few, if any, compelling features to justify the cost - the graphical nonsense is disabled the first hour any tech professional has the machine, and that's about all that's "different".  MS is still selling plenty of XP in the netbook market.

In fact, there really hasn't been a significant change in Windows in a decade, and not much improvement in hardware, beyond multi-cores
in at least 5 years.

Just because Big Box Mart decides to ask for more money, doesn't mean you need to spend it.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 15, 2010, 04:50:22 PM
I'm sorry, but Windows 98? Why did someone give you a Windows 98 computer? We are currently on OS Windows 7. Time to sell that computer and get a new(er) one.

Who's "we"?

While I don't have any 98 machines, I have several Win2k machines, and a number of XP notebooks.  Vista is an abomination before the Lord, and Windows 7 has few, if any, compelling features to justify the cost - the graphical nonsense is disabled the first hour any tech professional has the machine, and that's about all that's "different".  MS is still selling plenty of XP in the netbook market.

In fact, there really hasn't been a significant change in Windows in a decade, and not much improvement in hardware, beyond multi-cores
in at least 5 years.

Just because Big Box Mart decides to ask for more money, doesn't mean you need to spend it.
Thanks Eclipse.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: C/MSgt Lunsford on February 15, 2010, 06:10:19 PM
I'm sorry, but Windows 98? Why did someone give you a Windows 98 computer? We are currently on OS Windows 7. Time to sell that computer and get a new(er) one.

Who's "we"?

While I don't have any 98 machines, I have several Win2k machines, and a number of XP notebooks.  Vista is an abomination before the Lord, and Windows 7 has few, if any, compelling features to justify the cost - the graphical nonsense is disabled the first hour any tech professional has the machine, and that's about all that's "different".  MS is still selling plenty of XP in the netbook market.

In fact, there really hasn't been a significant change in Windows in a decade, and not much improvement in hardware, beyond multi-cores
in at least 5 years.

Just because Big Box Mart decides to ask for more money, doesn't mean you need to spend it.
We as in a Computer Community. That is what I meant.

I did not mean to come off rude, if I did, but Windows 98 was 12 years ago. CAP has update their software (if any) to at least Windows XP.

But congrats for getting a Computer.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 15, 2010, 06:12:49 PM
Thanks sir.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: C/MSgt Lunsford on February 15, 2010, 06:22:27 PM
Thanks sir.
I'm not a Sir, I am a Senior Airman.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 15, 2010, 06:31:14 PM
Thanks sir.
I'm not a Sir, I am a Senior Airman.
Sorry brains just tired.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: vmstan on February 15, 2010, 07:06:53 PM
I'm sorry, but Windows 98? Why did someone give you a Windows 98 computer? We are currently on OS Windows 7. Time to sell that computer and get a new(er) one.

Who's "we"?

While I don't have any 98 machines, I have several Win2k machines, and a number of XP notebooks.  Vista is an abomination before the Lord, and Windows 7 has few, if any, compelling features to justify the cost - the graphical nonsense is disabled the first hour any tech professional has the machine, and that's about all that's "different".  MS is still selling plenty of XP in the netbook market.

In fact, there really hasn't been a significant change in Windows in a decade, and not much improvement in hardware, beyond multi-cores
in at least 5 years.

Just because Big Box Mart decides to ask for more money, doesn't mean you need to spend it.
We as in a Computer Community. That is what I meant.

I did not mean to come off rude, if I did, but Windows 98 was 12 years ago. CAP has update their software (if any) to at least Windows XP.

But congrats for getting a Computer.

I wouldn't worry about coming off as rude Cadet, it was Eclipse that was being rude.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: raivo on February 15, 2010, 07:58:58 PM
The most compelling reason not to use '98 is that it's not NT-based, as everything after it (except for the dreaded Windows ME) is. That, and the fact that it's been officially discontinued from MS support, meaning no more security updates. Just about anything (other than WinME) would be better...

Sorry I can't be of more help, C/Williams, but honestly (and I'm not just playing the raving Linux zealot here) I think the best thing performance and security-wise would be to get Ubuntu so you can have an up-to-date operating system. Linux tends to perform better on older hardware, Ubuntu is designed to be user-friendly, and you can get free software that's still actively maintained rather than searching for older versions of Office et al.

I would very strongly discourage anyone from running an OS as old as Windows 98, especially on a machine that's going to be connected to the Internet. There are a lot of worms that scan IP ranges looking for vulnerable hosts to infect, running '98 is really asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: vmstan on February 15, 2010, 08:58:46 PM
I agree. I wouldn't advocate using anything pre-Windows 2000. Ubuntu would be the way to go.

Cadet, if you need help obtaining a copy please message me and I can send you a disk.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 15, 2010, 09:00:05 PM
I agree. I wouldn't advocate using anything pre-Windows 2000. Ubuntu would be the way to go, if you need help obtaining a copy please message me and I can send you a disk.
What is Ubuntu? Yes I would want a copy.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 15, 2010, 09:19:34 PM
I agree. I wouldn't advocate using anything pre-Windows 2000. Ubuntu would be the way to go, if you need help obtaining a copy please message me and I can send you a disk.
What is Ubuntu? Yes I would want a copy.

http://www.ubuntu.com/

Its a distribution of Linux, and currently considered one of the more user-friendly, Windows-like distros.  You can download an .ISO image and burn a "Live CD" from the above site.  It will give you the option of either running the OS from boot CD or installing it.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 15, 2010, 09:21:29 PM
I agree. I wouldn't advocate using anything pre-Windows 2000. Ubuntu would be the way to go, if you need help obtaining a copy please message me and I can send you a disk.
What is Ubuntu? Yes I would want a copy.

http://www.ubuntu.com/

Its a distribution of Linux, and currently considered one of the more user-friendly, Windows-like distros.  You can download and .ISO image and burn a "Live CD" from the above site.  It will give you the option of either running the OS from boot CD or installing it.
Can you mail me the disk?
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: C/MSgt Lunsford on February 15, 2010, 09:24:33 PM
I agree. I wouldn't advocate using anything pre-Windows 2000. Ubuntu would be the way to go, if you need help obtaining a copy please message me and I can send you a disk.
What is Ubuntu? Yes I would want a copy.

http://www.ubuntu.com/

Its a distribution of Linux, and currently considered one of the more user-friendly, Windows-like distros.  You can download and .ISO image and burn a "Live CD" from the above site.  It will give you the option of either running the OS from boot CD or installing it.
Can you mail me the disk?

The problem is... is your computer compatible? I believe there are software requirements.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 15, 2010, 09:24:48 PM
Can you mail me the disk?


I'm too rude - PM Marshalus...
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 15, 2010, 09:28:31 PM
Can you mail me the disk?


I'm too rude - PM Marshalus...
Oh why oh.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: C/MSgt Lunsford on February 15, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
Can you mail me the disk?


I'm too rude - PM Marshalus...
Just so rude!  ;) >:D
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 15, 2010, 09:52:11 PM
What I don't get it.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 15, 2010, 09:57:29 PM
Can you mail me the disk?


I'm too rude - PM Marshalus...
Just so rude!  ;) >:D

Heh -  :P
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 15, 2010, 09:59:36 PM
 :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: C/MSgt Lunsford on February 15, 2010, 11:25:26 PM
What I don't get it.
What he means, PM Marshalus because he doesn't have the disk. Marshalus has a disk, and offered to send you a copy.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: raivo on February 15, 2010, 11:41:55 PM
You kids and your user-friendly Linux distributions.

When I was your age, I had to boot into DOS from a floppy, manually edit my partition table, then spend all night downloading installation packages over my 56K modem!

(Yes, I actually did that. Oh, and I screwed up the partition table on the family computer. That went over really well.)
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: billford1 on February 15, 2010, 11:44:14 PM
Push the reset button. Get a MAC BOOK PRO.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: davidsinn on February 15, 2010, 11:58:22 PM
Push the reset button. Get a MAC BOOK PRO.

I believe he's looking for a low cost option not a gold plated one. ;D
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: C/MSgt Lunsford on February 16, 2010, 12:52:21 AM
Push the reset button. Get a MAC BOOK PRO.
Couldn't agree more... but like Cpt. Sinn said,
I believe he's looking for a low cost option not a gold plated one. ;D
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: helper on February 16, 2010, 01:32:15 AM
Another source for obtaining a current distribution of Linux is from a national chain bookstore. They usually carry Linux magazines and often include a CD. Typically the magazine will also have initial user information.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: EMT-83 on February 16, 2010, 01:33:38 AM
You kids and your user-friendly Linux distributions.

When I was your age, I had to boot into DOS from a floppy, manually edit my partition table, then spend all night downloading installation packages over my 56K modem!

(Yes, I actually did that. Oh, and I screwed up the partition table on the family computer. That went over really well.)
You had a 56K modem? Sweet.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: IceNine on February 16, 2010, 02:08:16 AM
Heh.  I'm clocking more than that on my droid right now.

I can't believe I was productive on the web w/ those speeds
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 16, 2010, 02:12:45 AM
Heh.  I'm clocking more than that on my droid right now.

I can't believe I was productive on the web w/ those speeds

Sadly, very little of what today's broadband speeds have brought us makes us more "productive" - with the exception of
some of the more advanced web services you and I are playing with, most people are still passing the same crap over email -
e-cards, wacky / poignant / political rumors with 100Mb of forwarding addresses, and then there's this Social crap.

The only difference is that email is now about 95% junk, and the routers don't block 15GB video attachments anymore.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: vmstan on February 16, 2010, 05:44:36 AM
Kind of cynical about the direction of technology, eh Eclipse?
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 16, 2010, 03:10:19 PM
Kind of cynical about the direction of technology, eh Eclipse?

Yes.  It what comes from nearly 20 years of dealing with vaporware and repackaged junk from essentially the same 10 vendors.

The only place there has been anything exciting in the last 10 has been the Googlesphere, and even that is basically a step backwards
to the centralized computing of 20 years ago.

My statements about the percentage of spam email aren't cynical, they are accepted fact as published by Microsoft and others.  Its just Fax poop from 20 years ago in a new form.  "Social Media" is "technology" its just an application.  WiMax is Technology.

I'm the guy that everyone calls when all the "new!" "neat!" "fun!" "Exciting!" stuff breaks, bends, and "evils" people's machines.  Somehow, with only an antivirus and common sense, I can keep my machines clean, yet less-educated users with 3 anti-malware apps and 4 anti-virus layers still get infected and become bots.

Why?

Ecards, Facebook, MySpace, and all those "wacky emails".
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: raivo on February 17, 2010, 01:00:31 AM
Somehow, with only an antivirus and common sense, I can keep my machines clean, yet less-educated users with 3 anti-malware apps and 4 anti-virus layers still get infected and become bots.

Why?

Ecards, Facebook, MySpace, and all those "wacky emails".

Um.

That's like saying cars are are a nuisance because people go street-racing in them.

Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 17, 2010, 01:09:43 AM
Um.

That's like saying cars are are a nuisance because people go street-racing in them.

If 95% of the traffic on city street was racing, and said racing clogged the ability for proper use of the streets, I'd say it was an apt comparison.  Since they aren't, the comparison is not valid.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: CDCTF on February 18, 2010, 02:41:21 PM
Williams, I'll bring a copy of Xubuntu, (which is the copy of Ubuntu designed specifically for low-spec/older computers), to the next meeting. Honestly I think this will be your best bet. Make sure to bring your laptop on Tuesday so I can test it by booting the live CD. Do you have an intel or amd processor.
C/SSgt. Fagrell
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: vmstan on February 18, 2010, 03:23:12 PM
Williams, I'll bring a copy of Xubuntu, (which is the copy of Ubuntu designed specifically for low-spec/older computers), to the next meeting. Honestly I think this will be your best bet. Make sure to bring your laptop on Tuesday so I can test it by booting the live CD. Do you have an intel or amd processor.
C/SSgt. Fagrell

Excellent, that is exactly what I was going to send him.

I don't think the process will make much of a difference, the big issue is going to be if it has enough RAM to even load the installer.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: CDCTF on February 18, 2010, 03:29:20 PM
He only needs 192mb of RAM, which I hope he has, if not, I have a copy of XP we can try out. I've gotten that to install and run well on as little as 128mb. I'll know better when I can look at his specs....I might even have some old RAM sitting around.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: jimmydeanno on February 18, 2010, 04:28:35 PM
I have a Pentium III Windows 95 desktop that I'm using as a print server in my house.  It came with 128Mb RAM so I put an additional 256 in it a few years ago.  It's running XP Pro right now like a champ.  It has a copy of Office 2000, Photoshop, Chrome, etc, as well as a current anti-virus.  It runs fine.

There really isn't any reason that he shouldn't be able to upgrade his OS on this machine with a minor investment in some yard sale SDRAM.  Open Office, Gimp, Chrome, etc should all run just fine.

 
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 18, 2010, 04:31:15 PM
Chrome, I don't know.  Its pretty memory heavy.  Its my browser of choice, but it also tends to be a resource hog.

As I write this Chrome is using almost a GB of RAM, though I have several extensions loaded and 8 tabs running.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: vmstan on February 18, 2010, 05:25:25 PM
It's a lot better than Firefox at memory usage, that is for sure.

As far as the laptop, getting to 192 may be harder then it seems. I can remember my machines as far back as 2001 only having 128MB in them, and that was high-end. You may be able to use the old text based installer to get the OS installed, if it has less.

I have Xubuntu 9.10 installed on a year old laptop with 2GB of ram, dual core, and a 64GB solid state HD. Boots up from cold to ready use in about 10 seconds flat.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 18, 2010, 08:11:13 PM
Here is specs of my windows 98. It will be in several phases.
Microsoft Windows 98 4.10.2222 A
Upgrade using Full OEM CD /SrcDir=C:\WIN98 /IQ /U:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
IE 5 6.0.2800.1106
Uptime: 0:05:04:13
Normal mode
On "I5I7E7" as "user"

GenuineIntel x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 3
256MB RAM
65% system resources free
Windows-managed swap file on drive C (4081MB free)
Available space on drive C: 4081MB of 5703MB (FAT32)
____________________________________________
It has some system errors don't no why?
But the computer does run.
I currently run Opera Internet Browser.
I do not have Java installed.
I have trend Micro VP installed.
____________________________
More specs to come.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 18, 2010, 08:15:10 PM
Operating System       System Model
Windows 98 SE (build 4.10.2222)
System Locale: English (United States)       Compaq Armada M700
System Serial Number: 3J05FBJ8L21M
Chassis Serial Number: 3J05FBJ8L21M
Enclosure Type: Notebook
Processor a       Main Circuit Board b
650 megahertz Intel Pentium III
32 kilobyte primary memory cache
256 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Not hyper-threaded       Board: Compaq 0538
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Compaq 1.35 12/01/1999
Drives       Memory Modules c,d
5.98 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
4.24 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

Compaq DVD-ROM SD-C2402 [CD-ROM drive]
Generic floppy disk drive (3.5")

HITACHI_DK23AA-60 [Hard drive] (6.01 GB) -- drive 0, s/n H70906, rev 00XEA0H0, SMART Status: Healthy       256 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM #1: J18' has 64 MB
Slot 'DIMM #2: J19' has 64 MB
Slot 'DIMM #3: J20' has 128 MB
    Local Drive Volumes
             
c: (FAT32 on drive 0)   5.98 GB   4.24 GB free

    Network Drives
    None detected
Users (mouse over user name for details)       Printers
WORKGROUP domain logons
 user   1/5/80 12:11:41 PM   
       None detected
Controllers       Display
Standard Floppy Disk Controller
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)       RAGE MOBILITY-P AGP (English) [Display adapter]
Default Monitor (2x)
Bus Adapters       Multimedia
Texas Instruments PCI-1450 CardBus Controller (2x)
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller       ESS Device Manager
ESS Multi-Device Enumerator
Gameport Joystick (no joystick connected)
Maestro DOS Games/FM Devices
Maestro MPU401 Devices
Maestro Wave / WaveTable Synthesis Devices
Virus Protection [Back to Top]       new Group Policies
No details available       None discovered
Communications       Other Devices
Lucent Win Modem
      
Intel(R) PRO/100+ MiniPCI
 primary     Auto IP Address:    192.168.2.4 / 24
   Gateway:    192.168.2.1
   Dhcp Server:    192.168.2.1
   Physical Address:    00:D0:59:10:1C:C2
SMC IrCC (Infrared Communications Controller)
 
Networking Dns Servers:    192.168.2.1
209.18.47.61
209.18.47.62
       Infrared Communication Device
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
USB Root Hub
 More to come.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 18, 2010, 08:21:44 PM
That's actually a fairly respectable machine - it should run Windows 2000 or Linux without too much problem.

The ram and drive space are an issue, but you could probably scrounge a 30Gb from someone's trash pile.
256 is fine, though more would be better.  With three SIMM slots 384 is probably the max.

I'm getting ready to give my kids a couple of notebooks with those basic specs.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 18, 2010, 08:23:42 PM
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/compaqarmadam700/

(http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/compaqarmadam700/armada.jpg)

Says max ram is 576 MB, which should be fine.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 18, 2010, 08:24:45 PM
Operating System       System Model
Windows 98 SE (build 4.10.2222)
System Locale: English (United States)       Compaq Armada M700
System Serial Number: 3J05FBJ8L21M
Chassis Serial Number: 3J05FBJ8L21M
Enclosure Type: Notebook
Processor a       Main Circuit Board b
650 megahertz Intel Pentium III
32 kilobyte primary memory cache
256 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Not hyper-threaded       Board: Compaq 0538
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: Compaq 1.35 12/01/1999
Drives       Memory Modules c,d
5.98 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
4.24 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

Compaq DVD-ROM SD-C2402 [CD-ROM drive]
Generic floppy disk drive (3.5")

HITACHI_DK23AA-60 [Hard drive] (6.01 GB) -- drive 0, s/n H70906, rev 00XEA0H0, SMART Status: Healthy       256 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory

Slot 'DIMM #1: J18' has 64 MB
Slot 'DIMM #2: J19' has 64 MB
Slot 'DIMM #3: J20' has 128 MB
    Local Drive Volumes
             
c: (FAT32 on drive 0)   5.98 GB   4.24 GB free

    Network Drives
    None detected
Users (mouse over user name for details)       Printers
WORKGROUP domain logons
 user   1/5/80 12:11:41 PM   
       None detected
Controllers       Display
Standard Floppy Disk Controller
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller
Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)       RAGE MOBILITY-P AGP (English) [Display adapter]
Default Monitor (2x)
Bus Adapters       Multimedia
Texas Instruments PCI-1450 CardBus Controller (2x)
Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller       ESS Device Manager
ESS Multi-Device Enumerator
Gameport Joystick (no joystick connected)
Maestro DOS Games/FM Devices
Maestro MPU401 Devices
Maestro Wave / WaveTable Synthesis Devices
Virus Protection [Back to Top]       new Group Policies
No details available       None discovered
Communications       Other Devices
Lucent Win Modem
      
Intel(R) PRO/100+ MiniPCI
 primary     Auto IP Address:    192.168.2.4 / 24
   Gateway:    192.168.2.1
   Dhcp Server:    192.168.2.1
   Physical Address:    00:D0:59:10:1C:C2
SMC IrCC (Infrared Communications Controller)
 
Networking Dns Servers:    192.168.2.1
209.18.47.61
209.18.47.62
       Infrared Communication Device
Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
USB Root Hub
 More to come.
Operating System       System Model
Windows 98 SE (build 4.10.2222)
System Locale: English (United States)       Compaq Armada M700
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 18, 2010, 08:33:25 PM
Williams, I'll bring a copy of Xubuntu, (which is the copy of Ubuntu designed specifically for low-spec/older computers), to the next meeting. Honestly I think this will be your best bet. Make sure to bring your laptop on Tuesday so I can test it by booting the live CD. Do you have an intel or amd processor.
C/SSgt. Fagrell
Um I have  Intel Sgt and I will bring it in sgt Tuesday if we have it again weather pending.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 18, 2010, 08:35:14 PM
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/compaqarmadam700/

(http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/compaqarmadam700/armada.jpg)

Says max ram is 576 MB, which should be fine.
Well we bought the computer used like 2 years ago with what it had it use't to have Microsoft Windows 2000 Pro Windows NT Workstation 4.0. I do not know why the person did that. Few Keys fell of.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 18, 2010, 09:02:56 PM
Its Windows 2000 or Windows NT - they are separate products (actually most Windows products up to Vista) are derivatives of the NT Kernal.

I would bet you could get a replacement keyboard on ebay.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: vmstan on February 18, 2010, 09:54:15 PM
That's actually a fairly respectable machine - it should run Windows 2000 or Linux without too much problem.

The ram and drive space are an issue, but you could probably scrounge a 30Gb from someone's trash pile.
256 is fine, though more would be better.  With three SIMM slots 384 is probably the max.

I'm getting ready to give my kids a couple of notebooks with those basic specs.

6GB will probably hold Linux just fine. A lot of netbooks sold today running Linux just have 8GB drives, although they're SSD. Xubuntu is probably the best bet as far as fitting.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Hoorah on February 18, 2010, 11:04:53 PM
I have found a way to make room get rid of old dud files. It is time consuming. It also makes it run faster.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Eclipse on February 18, 2010, 11:06:59 PM
You'll want to get something like startupmanager to strip our unneeded services, etc.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: billford1 on February 19, 2010, 02:14:31 AM
Push the reset button. Get a MAC BOOK PRO.

I believe he's looking for a low cost option not a gold plated one. ;D
I can respect that. The prices have come down somewhat. A really good deal is a MAC BOOK which is $999. The display is really clear and with the Apple operating system you're not so vulnerable to viruses and registry problems. I also have a Toshiba laptop. The MacBook is much faster and everything works great.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: raivo on February 19, 2010, 08:05:57 AM
If the question is "how can I make the most of what I have," the proper response is not "what you have sucks and you should go drop hundreds of dollars on something else."

OS jihad is a pet peeve of mine. -_-
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: SarDragon on February 19, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
Well, it appears that he will need to spend a bit of money to improve his computing capability. The suggestions have been varied on how to do that. Given the availability of free operating systems, that could be the cheapest method, given the suggestion to acquire some additional memory as a part of any practical solution. I saw very little "you should go drop hundreds of dollars on something else".

YMMV.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: raivo on February 19, 2010, 05:26:15 PM
I saw very little "you should go drop hundreds of dollars on something else".

Yeah, I was referring mainly to the "get a Mac" comment.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: billford1 on February 20, 2010, 01:58:25 AM
I saw very little "you should go drop hundreds of dollars on something else".

Yeah, I was referring mainly to the "get a Mac" comment.
I always feel great when a computer is easy to use and I don't have to worry so much about the security of what I have in it.
That's why I say " Once You Go MAC You Never Go Back " .
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: C/MSgt Lunsford on February 20, 2010, 07:33:53 AM
Push the reset button. Get a MAC BOOK PRO.

I believe he's looking for a low cost option not a gold plated one. ;D
I can respect that. The prices have come down somewhat. A really good deal is a MAC BOOK which is $999. The display is really clear and with the Apple operating system you're not so vulnerable to viruses and registry problems. I also have a Toshiba laptop. The MacBook is much faster and everything works great.
Have to agree on that... Mac's are the best!
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on February 20, 2010, 07:41:24 AM
Meh, I run a windows computer, have since I first started using computers. I hated the macs at school. I hate the setup, it treats you with kid gloves in respect to what you can and can't do with it.

I have no problems running windows. At all.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: raivo on February 21, 2010, 03:40:50 AM
Different operating systems have their own strengths and weaknesses. One of the reasons why there's less malware targeted at Macs is because there simply aren't as many Mac users as there are Windows users. (Why write a worm that won't affect 90% of the systems it comes across?)

If you want to do basic e-mail, word processing, and Internet stuff on a low budget, Linux is probably your best option (hence, why I recommended it.) If you have some extra cash, sure, you might want to consider upgrading to a Mac. Unless you like playing games, then you're almost certainly going to want Windows.

Over on the server side of things, I'd take UNIX/Linux for a webserver any day, but for managing large groups of computers you really can't beat a Windows domain server. (The fact that it ties in nicely with Exchange for e-mail is another plus.)

Sorry to rant, but like I said, pet peeve. Different people need different things, so it just annoys me when I see people insisting that their round/star/triangle-shaped peg is the best, without considering that the original question was how to fill a square hole.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: vmstan on February 21, 2010, 04:58:41 AM
^^^ exactly what he said ^^^
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: JC004 on February 22, 2010, 03:21:19 AM
I can't believe this thread is 5 pages.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: billford1 on February 22, 2010, 03:32:21 AM
Different operating systems have their own strengths and weaknesses. One of the reasons why there's less malware targeted at Macs is because there simply aren't as many Mac users as there are Windows users. (Why write a worm that won't affect 90% of the systems it comes across?)

If you want to do basic e-mail, word processing, and Internet stuff on a low budget, Linux is probably your best option (hence, why I recommended it.) If you have some extra cash, sure, you might want to consider upgrading to a Mac. Unless you like playing games, then you're almost certainly going to want Windows.

Over on the server side of things, I'd take UNIX/Linux for a webserver any day, but for managing large groups of computers you really can't beat a Windows domain server. (The fact that it ties in nicely with Exchange for e-mail is another plus.)

Sorry to rant, but like I said, pet peeve. Different people need different things, so it just annoys me when I see people insisting that their round/star/triangle-shaped peg is the best, without considering that the original question was how to fill a square hole.
Sir, I have used several versions of Windows throughout my work career. I used to commute to work with people who worked for Microsoft. What I learned is that there has been a long succession of fixes for each version of Windows throughout the operating system's lifespan. One Microsoft Software Developer I knew spoke of the emphasis on getting the newest operating system released and in the stores. Maybe I  misunderstood the the original post but anytime I encounter someone who has an opportunity to "trade-up" I simply want to share my enthusiasm for the MAC operating system based on my own experience as one who uses both operating systems daily; Windows XP at work and OSX at home. BRgds
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: C/MSgt Lunsford on February 22, 2010, 04:05:00 AM
I feel that Mac OSX is both easier to use and smoother. Windows is too complicated compared to Mac OSX.
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on February 22, 2010, 01:33:43 PM
I feel that Mac OSX is both easier to use and smoother. Windows is too complicated compared to Mac OSX.

What's complicated about it?
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: CDCTF on February 22, 2010, 05:59:04 PM
I love how once someone recommends an OS the thread eventually degenerates into whose is better. LOL Let's see if we can another argument going. I think Open Solaris is the best OS ever. What do you have to say to that?
Title: Re: Windows 98 Computer Help.
Post by: MIKE on February 22, 2010, 06:36:03 PM
Or we could just kill the thread for no longer bring relevant.