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Operations => Tall Tales => Topic started by: JeffDG on January 24, 2016, 10:07:17 PM

Title: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: JeffDG on January 24, 2016, 10:07:17 PM
http://auxnewsnow.com/2016/01/disgraced-former-national-commander-stages-coup-declares-self-commandante-for-life/ (http://auxnewsnow.com/2016/01/disgraced-former-national-commander-stages-coup-declares-self-commandante-for-life/)
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The ringleaders of the den of counterrevolutionaries known as ‘CAPTalk’ are to be rounded up for trial.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Lord of the North on January 24, 2016, 10:52:39 PM
What a waste of bandwidth
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Pace on January 24, 2016, 11:37:51 PM
I have both of his challenge coins. It serves as a get out of jail free card for life. I'm good. Sucks to be the other guys...
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Garibaldi on January 25, 2016, 01:19:53 PM
Welp, Eclipse was able to run when he could. Perhaps he sniffed the air and smelled trouble a'brewin'.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: THRAWN on January 25, 2016, 02:36:57 PM
I do so hope that I'm included in that leader list. I have some new toys I'm looking forward to playing with.

I get the idea of a satire site, but this is just cr@p...they're trying way too hard to be funny. Just let it happen.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: ALORD on January 25, 2016, 03:59:03 PM
I do so hope that I'm included in that leader list. I have some new toys I'm looking forward to playing with.

I get the idea of a satire site, but this is just cr@p...they're trying way too hard to be funny. Just let it happen.

Well, Univision, the Communist-backed television network bought "The Onion" So maybe they bought "Aux News Now" and we only THINK it's supposed to be a parody? Look for the CAP-Al Jazeera website coming soon!
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: NIN on January 25, 2016, 06:14:33 PM
Meh.  Satire I get.

This? Not so much:

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Shooter Recruiter

Of course, if the USAF is going to resume using CAP as a proving ground for future Air Warriors, it needs some chaff to separate the wheat from. The National Recruiting Director spent his time talking about ‘One-Meter Recruiting’, that being the effective range of something or other. Considering the average Senior Member, one meter is about as close as you can get without bouncing off or being pulled into orbit. Of course all recruiting is local when you can’t escape the gravitational pull! How about a plan for recruiting more hot Seniors?

So much for being serious in Orlando.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Ned on January 25, 2016, 06:55:08 PM
We used to have a plan for recruiting hot seniors.

Seriously.

Isn't that how you were recruited? >:D
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: JeffDG on January 26, 2016, 03:53:16 AM
We used to have a plan for recruiting hot seniors.

Seriously.

Isn't that how you were recruited? >:D

http://auxnewsnow.com/2015/08/recruiter-ribbon-or-2b-20-year-old-ccol-featured-in-playboys-girls-of-the-big-ten-issue/ (http://auxnewsnow.com/2015/08/recruiter-ribbon-or-2b-20-year-old-ccol-featured-in-playboys-girls-of-the-big-ten-issue/)
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: NIN on January 26, 2016, 11:37:09 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I crack up every time I see that picture of all those recruiter ribbons...
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Airplane girl on January 26, 2016, 02:23:52 PM
Is it a total force thing?

http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/05/report-finds-air-force-vast-conspiracy-to-recruit-hot-chicks/ (http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/05/report-finds-air-force-vast-conspiracy-to-recruit-hot-chicks/)
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Garibaldi on January 26, 2016, 05:26:09 PM
Is it a total force thing?

http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/05/report-finds-air-force-vast-conspiracy-to-recruit-hot-chicks/ (http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/05/report-finds-air-force-vast-conspiracy-to-recruit-hot-chicks/)

Yes. More like a total 'farce' thing if you ask me...
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on January 27, 2016, 04:46:39 PM
I have both of his challenge coins. It serves as a get out of jail free card for life. I'm good. Sucks to be the other guys...


Does it count if I have the front facing prototype and the die for it?
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Pace on January 27, 2016, 05:01:04 PM
I have both of his challenge coins. It serves as a get out of jail free card for life. I'm good. Sucks to be the other guys...


Does it count if I have the front facing prototype and the die for it?

Probably. How did you happen upon that anyway?
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on January 27, 2016, 07:00:42 PM
I have both of his challenge coins. It serves as a get out of jail free card for life. I'm good. Sucks to be the other guys...


Does it count if I have the front facing prototype and the die for it?

Probably. How did you happen upon that anyway?

EBay a couple years ago. It was posted on a CAP FB page, and I was the lucky winner of the bidding war.

$45.55 for the coin and $26.55 for the die.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: AirAux on January 27, 2016, 08:57:05 PM
Priceless...  Wait, What???
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Pace on January 27, 2016, 08:59:52 PM
I have both of his challenge coins. It serves as a get out of jail free card for life. I'm good. Sucks to be the other guys...


Does it count if I have the front facing prototype and the die for it?

Probably. How did you happen upon that anyway?

EBay a couple years ago. It was posted on a CAP FB page, and I was the lucky winner of the bidding war.

$45.55 for the coin and $26.55 for the die.

Pretty cool. You could flood the market with El Commandante coins.  >:D
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: THRAWN on January 27, 2016, 09:11:08 PM
I have both of his challenge coins. It serves as a get out of jail free card for life. I'm good. Sucks to be the other guys...


Does it count if I have the front facing prototype and the die for it?

Probably. How did you happen upon that anyway?

EBay a couple years ago. It was posted on a CAP FB page, and I was the lucky winner of the bidding war.

$45.55 for the coin and $26.55 for the die.

Say what you will about "the man", this is pretty cool. One of a kind bit of CAP history. Don't let the historians get near it.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on January 28, 2016, 03:51:42 PM
Heh. I planned on maybe running a small batch of coins, say 50, and the back would just say "do as I say, not as I do".
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Pace on January 28, 2016, 06:31:22 PM
The back should read, "The owner of this coin is entitled to wear the SMoV for any of the following actions: directing traffic, stubbing a toe, entertaining 'he who shall not be named', etc."
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: THRAWN on January 28, 2016, 07:09:51 PM
"In recognition of your presentation of the Self Medal of Valor"....
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on January 28, 2016, 07:10:06 PM
The back should read, "The owner of this coin is entitled to wear the SMoV for any of the following actions: directing traffic, stubbing a toe, entertaining 'he who shall not be named', etc."


That's deep. Might be hard to fit it all.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: NC Hokie on January 28, 2016, 07:32:01 PM
The back should read, "The owner of this coin is entitled to wear the SMoV for any of the following actions: directing traffic, stubbing a toe, entertaining 'he who shall not be named', etc."

I think "Get Out of CAP Free" is more appropriate.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: FW on January 29, 2016, 03:11:10 AM
It's hard to believe 10 years has gone by since this "mishigash" transpired.  At least we can laugh about it now...
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: NIN on January 29, 2016, 03:33:19 AM
It's hard to believe 10 years has gone by since this "mishigash" transpired.  At least we can laugh about it now...

And its hard to believe that it was 8-9 years before that we were warned "This guy is trouble, watch out!"
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: PHall on January 29, 2016, 05:23:24 AM
It's hard to believe 10 years has gone by since this "mishigash" transpired.  At least we can laugh about it now...

And its hard to believe that it was 8-9 years before that we were warned "This guy is trouble, watch out!"

I find it hard to believe that he's still drawing his retirement from the FDLE and he's not in Leavenworth.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: FW on January 29, 2016, 01:59:32 PM
^ I don't think violating our Core Values warrant a stay-cation at Leavenworth or disqualification of retirement benefits, however it does make for good satire once in a while...  ;D
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: PHall on January 29, 2016, 03:51:55 PM
^ I don't think violating our Core Values warrant a stay-cation at Leavenworth or disqualification of retirement benefits, however it does make for good satire once in a while...  ;D

I'm talking about the multiple counts of test compromise that he somehow never was charged with.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: JeffDG on January 29, 2016, 04:11:30 PM
^ I don't think violating our Core Values warrant a stay-cation at Leavenworth or disqualification of retirement benefits, however it does make for good satire once in a while...  ;D

I'm talking about the multiple counts of test compromise that he somehow never was charged with.

That would probably be covered by 18 USC § 1001 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001)):
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(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

That would cover it because I would expect that if the test were administered by the USAF, that would be a "matter withing the jurisdiction of the executive...branch of the Government of the United States"

For reference, this is the same law under which Martha Stewart was given a vacation at the taxpayer's expense.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Chappie on January 29, 2016, 05:37:45 PM
It was a dark/troubling chapter in our history.  Glad that is all behind us.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: THRAWN on January 29, 2016, 05:44:15 PM
And those uniforms he picked! Ugh!

Just had to keep us on track with what's important. Can we not barracks lawyer the Hades out of why/if he should be making big rocks into little ones?
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: MSG Mac on January 29, 2016, 06:40:01 PM
^ I don't think violating our Core Values warrant a stay-cation at Leavenworth or disqualification of retirement benefits, however it does make for good satire once in a while...  ;D

I'm talking about the multiple counts of test compromise that he somehow never was charged with.

The guy who took that flak was the guy who took the test.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: LSThiker on January 29, 2016, 08:29:40 PM
Why even discuss this guy anymore?  Does he even deserve the time and effort even spent "talking" about him?  Let him be forgotten for good.
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: PHall on January 29, 2016, 08:29:43 PM
^ I don't think violating our Core Values warrant a stay-cation at Leavenworth or disqualification of retirement benefits, however it does make for good satire once in a while...  ;D

I'm talking about the multiple counts of test compromise that he somehow never was charged with.

The guy who took that flak was the guy who took the test.

AFAIK Mr Hayden was never even charged for that. The Air Force did nothing to him,
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: FW on January 29, 2016, 08:47:23 PM
^ I understand there was never any proof the AFDL exams were compromised.  No proof, no charges, no legal implications.  Yes, I know what was said back then, and what probably occurred, however nothing more could be done.  In fact, the AF investigated the matter, and determined the BoG overstepped their bounds.  But, that's another story... >:D
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on January 29, 2016, 09:51:57 PM
If that guy knew some members still discuss him, he would be laughing and enjoying himself!
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: PHall on January 29, 2016, 10:10:55 PM
If that guy knew some members still discuss him, he would be laughing and enjoying himself!

Yeah, we still talk about him. He's a great example of what not to do!
Makes a great case study for ethics classes too!
Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: ALORD on January 29, 2016, 10:45:40 PM
I have been in CAP 15 years in February. During that time, I have seen senior members who were embezzlers, professional con-artists, military impersonators, and various forms of sexual deviants. More interesting to me is the number of people who describe a Senior Member in their circle and they sound like they are checking the list right off the DSM, for personality disorders, like covert narcissism, borderline personality disorders, and varying degrees of sociopathy ( Psychopaths). The most interesting, and I believe the most common, is the so-called "Industrial Psychopath" ( Note that these disorders are all part of a triad, and some may be co-morbid with  others. Psychopaths, for instance, are all Narcissists, but all Narcissists are not psychopaths. Here is a self-scoring test intended to be interpreted by professionals, but think of some of your Squadron members or co-workers and see how much applies:


1. Glibness and superficial charm
– smooth-talking, engaging and slick.


2. Grandiose self-worth
– greatly inflated idea of one’s abilities and self-esteem, arrogance and a sense of superiority.


3. Pathological lying
– shrewd, crafty, sly and clever when moderate; deceptive, deceitful, underhanded and unscrupulous when high.


4. Cunning/manipulative
– uses deceit and deception to cheat others for personal gain.

5. Lack of remorse or guilt
- no feelings or concern for losses, pain and suffering of others, coldhearted and unempathic.

6. Shallow affect / emotional poverty
– limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness.

7. Callous/lack of empathy
– a lack of feelings toward others; cold, contemptuous and inconsiderate.

8. Fails to accept responsibility for own actions
– denial of responsibility and an attempt to manipulate others through this.

9. Needs stimulation/prone to boredom
– an excessive need for new, exciting stimulation and risk-taking.

10. Parasitic lifestyle
– Intentional, manipulative, selfish and exploitative financial dependence on others.

11. Poor behavioral controls
– expressions of negative feelings, verbal abuse and inappropriate expressions of anger.

12. No realistic long-term goals
– inability or constant failure to develop and accomplish long-term plans.
 
13. Impulsiveness
– behaviors lacking reflection or planning and done without considering consequences.

14. Irresponsible
– repeated failure to fulfill or honor commitments and obligations.

15. Juvenile delinquency
– criminal behavioral problems between the ages of 13-18.

16. Early behavior problems
– a variety of dysfunctional and unacceptable behaviors before age thirteen.

17. Revocation of Conditional Release
– Violating probation or other conditional release because of technicalities.

18. Promiscuity
– brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs and an indiscriminate choice of sexual partners.

19. Many short-term marital relationships
– lack of commitment to a long-term relationship.

20. Criminal versatility
– diversity of criminal offenses, whether or not the individual has been arrested or convicted.

Many of these line-items will not be apparent on first meeting the member. Indeed, it can take quite some time before people start comparing notes and realize that there is a charming, ingratiating monster in their midst. My own squadron has had at least two that I know of. Many people who personally know psychopaths will recognize one in seconds. They are monsters in human form.  I have worked with them enough to develop a sense of danger when meeting them ( They scare the bejeepers out of me! )

So my question is, why as an institution, does CAP seem to attract so many members within the triad of personality disorders? In some cases, being a psychopath is highly rewarding. You never experience fear, you can lie seamlessly, and you can revise the truth to paper over almost anything that you are caught doing. I believe that Mr. Pineda was just such a man, but CAP has had members in high leadership positions, who, for a while at least, were very successful within CAP. Most psychopaths are not axe-wielding maniacs. They try to fit it, but their attempts to appear to show genuine empathy make most people feel "creepy". Does this sound like anyone you know? High-functioning sociopaths, narcissists, and borderline personalities can often pass as normal for a long time, but eventually, they give themselves away.

Because of this and other episodes, it is important to recognize the value of our historical failures, with a critical eye towards avoiding them in the future. It is not just beating a dead horse.

Title: Re: Bad News for CAPTalk
Post by: NC Wing Range Master on February 12, 2016, 05:38:12 AM
E Gad!.....What did I miss? 
Fifteen years ago I was still in the Army.  You mean CAP has people in leadership positions that "Set low standards for the selves and continually fail to meet them"?  That "Can best serve this organization by finding someplace else to be."?  Or "Displays the Bearing and Professionalism expected of a person that was developmentally challenged from a young age."?

And I thought all those guys worked in the Pentagon.  Silly me.

"Because even at the Pentagon, Sammiches just don't make themselves."