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 21 
 on: Yesterday at 09:18:54 PM 
Started by cpyahoo - Last post by OldGuy
And yet some Wing LOs guard that turf zealously.

LO?  You mean on the Wing volunteer staff?  Or CAP-USAF?

The former isn't a "thing", and the latter hasn't been a factor (or existed, for probably 10 years).

BITD State Directors, and before them, Liaison Officers, (at least the better ones) did want to be
involved in initiating and managing outside agency relationships, but sadly their ability to do that effectively
evaporated along with the manpower over the last 15 some years.
LO = Legal Officer.

 22 
 on: Yesterday at 09:17:03 PM 
Started by cpyahoo - Last post by Eclipse
And yet some Wing LOs guard that turf zealously.

LO?  You mean on the Wing volunteer staff?  Or CAP-USAF?

The former isn't a "thing", and the latter hasn't been a factor (or existed, for probably 10 years).

BITD State Directors, and before them, Liaison Officers, (at least the better ones) did want to be
involved in initiating and managing outside agency relationships, but sadly their ability to do that effectively
evaporated along with the manpower over the last 15 some years.

 23 
 on: Yesterday at 08:20:47 PM 
Started by cpyahoo - Last post by OldGuy
And yet some Wing LOs guard that turf zealously.

 24 
 on: Yesterday at 08:11:44 PM 
Started by Cadet Officer - Last post by Mitchell 1969
Learn and master the materiel instead of trying to game the system.
First time pass, all cadet tests here... back when they were not open book.
Step up your game cadet.

I have learned the material, Wasn't trying to cheat the system just the absolute difference on how the tests were surprised me. Wow so supportive I am the top cadet in my squadron and second in the wing. I simply had a hard time passing one test because Im more focused on the bettering of others rather then myself.

So, a “Dynamic American and Aerospace Martyr,” then?

No, sorry. Saying you’ve had a hard time passing because you were so busy helping others is something that others might say about somebody. It’s not, however, an honorific that one may bestow on oneself.

And, if that IS what happened, you need to reorder your priorities. Remember, there is a reason why the flight attendant tells you to put your mask on before trying to put the mask on anybody else.


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 25 
 on: Yesterday at 07:52:57 PM 
Started by Eclipse - Last post by Gunsotsu
Get an MOU with Ma Blue that allows cadets U18 to wear the current USAF duty and CONUS field uniform within one year of adoption by USAF. Seniors and cadets over 18 not within H/W standards for AD USAF personnel wear corporates. Full stop. No more cosplaying Air Force. 

Easy.

 26 
 on: Yesterday at 06:18:59 PM 
Started by Eclipse - Last post by Ned
The constraints and reasoning are not the same and it's not an apt comparison.

We've made the points before about the number of variants the USAF and other services
have in their closets, but the reasoning behind them is not the same, and when a UOD
is issued, everyone has the same garment on, and if not, it's because of specific
mission mandates or a relatively rare transition period.

You can keep saying that, but it is still incorrect on both counts.

The reasoning behind both CAP and AF uniform collections is indeed exactly the same -- mission-driven subject to regulations.  We need flying, service, and field uniforms for exactly the same reasons the AF needs them.  (We could certainly debate whether we need optional dress uniforms, but I don't think that is the thrust of your argument.)

The primary reason we have a full set of corporate uniforms is because the AF holds us to the same height/weight/grooming restrictions they hold themselves to (plus some slack.)  The only difference is they kick out even career-oriented members who do not meet their standards while we allow them to continue serving, as we always have.

And it's possible you have spent more time with AD USAF squadrons that I have, although I doubt it.  Sure they have a UOD, but it will vary considerably throughout the unit.  Maintainers, pilots, and administrative folks all dress differently on the same day.  As do a host of others (food service workers, medical folks, recruiters, etc., etc., etc..)

And I we agree that we should be telling parents as well as members loudly and clearly not to invest in OCPs until CAP follows our AF colleagues, as we have always done.  Still not sure how your argument of "there are too many uniforms, some of our members feel distrespected because of corporates, and NHQ should make everyone dress the same" fits into the thread.  But I am certainly not the Thread Police.  For which we can both be grateful.



 27 
 on: Yesterday at 06:06:35 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by arajca
Sure. That much not needed.  We could have a series of videos and brochures produced at a national quality for less than what a new C-172 cost. It would be money well spent.

OK, I submit to you that yes, pretty good stuff could be created for that much (or even probably less).

But realize: you're talking about an amount of money that is nearly 15% of the current non-appropriated funds budget.  Thats a pretty hefty ask.

Where, pray tell, does that money come from? Out of the money presently allocated from the non-appropriated funds, what might you suggest we NOT spend money on to then spend money on this?
Does National budget anything for recruiting? What do you spend it on?

 28 
 on: Yesterday at 05:35:32 PM 
Started by NIN - Last post by MacGruff
National awareness is something that is sorely lacking, and while I am not advocating spending all of the $93 Mil on it (snicker), we do need to do something. Here are two anecdotes from just this past week:

1.   At our last weekly squadron meeting, a new prospective cadet and his mom came to visit us. When chatting with them about how they learned about us, it turned out that the boy was adopted recently into the family, and his social worker happened to be aware of us and suggested to the mom that CAP might help him out with some discipline and focus issues, so they came. The mom is a schoolteacher and no one in her district could tell her anything about us - that school district is a 10 minute drive from where we meet

2.   Just yesterday, I was seated next to a uniformed Captain (Commercial) on a cross-country flight. We chatted about this or that and I mentioned that i sometime sit in the right seat of a Cessna. He thought I was a pilot, so I corrected him and mentioned CAP. His answer was an immediate "What's that?" As the conversation proceeded, I learned that this Captain was trained as a fighter pilot in the Air Force, and moved to commercial jets about 20 years ago. He's qualified on 757s and 767s and flies his own Cessna for fun. He had no idea (that past tense was changed to present tense over the course of the flight!) who we are, what we do, and where we are. By the way, I found out later that his Cessna is parked in an airfield that hosts a CAP squadron....

Hmmm...



 29 
 on: Yesterday at 04:45:07 PM 
Started by Eclipse - Last post by Eclipse
The constraints and reasoning are not the same and it's not an apt comparison.

We've made the points before about the number of variants the USAF and other services
have in their closets, but the reasoning behind them is not the same, and when a UOD
is issued, everyone has the same garment on, and if not, it's because of specific
mission mandates or a relatively rare transition period.

It's relevent to the OCP discussions because this will be another opportunity for NHQ to put
all of its members in the same uniform, at least on the adult side.

It's also relevent because we already have members, mostly parents asking if they
should go direct top the OCP.

 30 
 on: Yesterday at 04:27:03 PM 
Started by Eclipse - Last post by Ned
We've all made these observations before. 

Yup, CAP has a lot of uniforms.  Almost exactly as many as our colleagues in the USAF.  And, just like CAP,  a typical AF squadron will typically have folks in many different uniforms on any given day.  And the reasons for both CAP and the AF are the same:  we need the uniforms we have to perform our assigned missions while operating under the constraints imposed by the AF on themselves and on us.

What this has to do with OCPs at this point is a little fuzzy.  But this is CAPTalk and even a uniform thread will morph over time into a different uniform thread.  Because what we wear is much more important than what we do.

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