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 21 
 on: Yesterday at 02:47:44 PM 
Started by Ozzy - Last post by TheSkyHornet
Full story here:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-woman-foot-arm-severed-plane-propeller

TLDR; Passenger lost some body parts after exiting plane and stepping into the propeller
How do you lose a FOOT to a Cessna propeller???

Well, it wasn't necessarily a Cessna, the article didn't state the aircraft model.

Another article said it was a C172S

 22 
 on: Yesterday at 02:44:35 PM 
Started by SueB - Last post by TheSkyHornet
Being the only Cadet Officer is not a reason. 

This x 1000

Just because you exist doesn't mean you're the top candidate. What does it show when the only eligible person receives the award?

If it's a squadron award, maybe do an off-hand/abnormal award that you don't generally present (i.e., instead of "Cadet Officer of the Year" when you have only one cadet officer do an award for outstanding performance as a cadet officer).

You may want to consider your top unit's cadet receiving an Achievement Award so it's something more than just a made-up certificate at home. The Achievement Award at least goes on their eServices profile.

 23 
 on: Yesterday at 02:44:09 PM 
Started by TheMeepMan - Last post by Ozzy
They are authorised for wear.  By your logic, current competitors in NCC would not wear the green ribbon instead of the blue because 39-3 has not been updated. They wear the grren ribbon per CAPP 52-4.  Same scenario.

Double check the green ribbon is a unit citation...   The regs cited do not govern uniform wear. CAPR39-1 does, if the badge, ribbon or whatever bling is not in there or an affiliated ICL then it's not authorized.

I believe when he says green ribbon, he is talking about the National Color Guard Competition ribbon, which is green, rather then the National Cadet Competition ribbon, which is blue.

When the NCC was revamped, the only ribbon awarded now is the green one.

 24 
 on: Yesterday at 02:38:26 PM 
Started by TheMeepMan - Last post by abdsp51
They are authorised for wear.  By your logic, current competitors in NCC would not wear the green ribbon instead of the blue because 39-3 has not been updated. They wear the grren ribbon per CAPP 52-4.  Same scenario.

Double check the green ribbon is a unit citation...   The regs cited do not govern uniform wear. CAPR39-1 does, if the badge, ribbon or whatever bling is not in there or an affiliated ICL then it's not authorized. 

 25 
 on: Yesterday at 02:37:51 PM 
Started by Ozzy - Last post by Ozzy
Full story here:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-woman-foot-arm-severed-plane-propeller

TLDR; Passenger lost some body parts after exiting plane and stepping into the propeller
How do you lose a FOOT to a Cessna propeller???

Well, it wasn't necessarily a Cessna, the article didn't state the aircraft model.

 26 
 on: Yesterday at 02:13:02 PM 
Started by Ozzy - Last post by TheSkyHornet
If the boarding door is forward of the prop, never approach/board from the rear. Approach only from the front quarter that offers door access (e.g., if the door is forward of the left-side wing-mounted prop, approach is only from the door's 9:00-11:00 radial). Don't walk under wings, and don't cross the longitudinal axis (nose-to-tail); stay only on the boarding side. If you're going to board a twin aircraft, the boarding-side engine should not be running if people are boarding forward of it. I'm quite familiar with with a case of a ground agent walking under a wing rather than around it (when approaching from the rear) and going straight into a feathered turboprop.

At no time should a PIC leave the flight controls unattended when the engine is running. The fact that this even occurred is moronic and lazy. Either radio ground crew, or take the time to shut down, visually verify, and restart if you have to; it is what it is.

Procedures are only as good as when they're followed and enforced. A little common sense goes a long way...but the person has to have it first.

 27 
 on: Yesterday at 01:58:22 PM 
Started by TheMeepMan - Last post by Eclipse
Same goes for the ABU.  Not authorized.

 28 
 on: Yesterday at 01:51:40 PM 
Started by TheMeepMan - Last post by Toad1168
They are authorised for wear.  By your logic, current competitors in NCC would not wear the green ribbon instead of the blue because 39-3 has not been updated. They wear the grren ribbon per CAPP 52-4.  Same scenario.

 29 
 on: Yesterday at 01:30:43 PM 
Started by Ozzy - Last post by NIN
In my other job, I deal with some interesting aviation safety challenges:

  • Aircraft ground operations in proximity to others (participants, spectators, staff)
  • Quick aircraft ground turnarounds (on the order of 3-5 minutes per sortie)
  • Passenger hot loading (as above, 18-23 pax safely on board a running aircraft in short order)
  • Aircraft hot fueling

In training participants, one of the first things we talk about is aircraft safety and how to approach the aircraft. Thankfully, apart from rotary-wing ops (which are tremendously infrequent), teaching "only approach the aircraft from the side, behind the wing" is a pretty universal rule whether its a piston single, turbine twin or whatever.

This year we went from a turbine twin with prop arcs just aft of the pilot door to a turbine single with the prop at the nose. The rules didn't change: participants and staff approach the aircraft from the side, aft of the wing. Even then, its still important to put controls into place:

  • The aircraft boarding stairs, when placed at the aircraft, have a physical barrier between the operating area fence and the stairs to channelize people aft of the wing.
  • Right-seat passengers only enter & exit the aircraft via the boarding stairs, not the right side door, unless the aircraft is shut down.
  • Staff bringing the pilot lunch enter and exit the aircraft via the boarding stairs. Never bring lunch to the left-side pilot door.
  • Nobody but participants and staff approach the aircraft while its running, ever. Spectators are never allowed near the aircraft while it is running, and if they want to look at it while it's not running, they must be accompanied by a staff member.

Occasionally, people still do dumb things like getting task fixated and walking into a prop... Its the nature of the beast.

People walk into traffic all the time, too. It happens.





 30 
 on: Yesterday at 01:27:41 PM 
Started by Ozzy - Last post by Dwight Dutton
Full story here:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-woman-foot-arm-severed-plane-propeller

TLDR; Passenger lost some body parts after exiting plane and stepping into the propeller
How do you lose a FOOT to a Cessna propeller???

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