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Uniforms & Awards / Re: New AF Female Hair Standar...
Last post by Eclipse - January 25, 2021, 10:02:00 pm
Quote from: etodd on January 25, 2021, 08:31:38 pmA year from now, when we are to the point we have trouble keeping the airplanes flown enough, and trouble having enough Seniors to look over the youth ..... I imagine haircuts and that day old beard will be overlooked a lot. We will need warm bodies.

You'll counter with quality over quantity .... but at some point, we'll be begging for numbers. Almost there now in many Wings.

If anything, it will be important to stress standards and compliance more then in the past.
CAP will have had nearly two years of complacency, waivers, and thousands of cadets
who have never been held to a standard, because they have never attended an in-face meeting.

That would not be the time to start "overlooking things", and to suggest otherwise indicates
a misunderstanding of the hows and whys of the cadet program.

Further to the comment about hours - when any semblance of normalcy returns, flight hours are not
going to be an issue for anyone.  There's nearly two years of unspent budgets, unexecuted
programs, and throttled enthusiasm.

That is the time to emphasize policies, regulations, and compliance, because the "get it restarted itis"
coupled with inexperienced members is going to bring with it a potential wave of mishaps.

You start with appearance.
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The Lobby / Re: Aux On/Aux Off pencil pock...
Last post by HandsomeWalt_USMC - January 25, 2021, 09:53:19 pm
Quote from: PHall on January 25, 2021, 07:27:30 pm
Quote from: usaf_defender on January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pmNonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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You funny guy, you used inspection and flight suit in the same sentence!

Anyone else read this in the voice of Kevin from the Office?
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: New AF Female Hair Standar...
Last post by TheSkyHornet - January 25, 2021, 09:34:36 pm
Quote from: etodd on January 25, 2021, 08:31:38 pmA year from now, when we are to the point we have trouble keeping the airplanes flown enough, and trouble having enough Seniors to look over the youth ..... I imagine haircuts and that day old beard will be overlooked a lot. We will need warm bodies.

You'll counter with quality over quantity .... but at some point, we'll be begging for numbers. Almost there now in many Wings.

If someone shows up with a day old beard while wearing ABUs or Blues, then that person needs to be addressed/corrected.

Let's not slack off just because we don't want to be pushy. It'll be much harder to change the culture back later and enforce old standards when we spent a year relaxing them.

I had a conversation with my cadet staff just last week about this, and a couple of weeks prior: Now is not the time to get relaxed about your appearance or dropping courtesies. As we resume "regular" meetings, we need to be on our best game to set that example for the newer (and junior) faces.

We have had nearly a dozen inquiries about joining CAP "during COVID." When they come and visit, whether in person or on a call, we need to look and act sharp. I'm not saying go out of your way to have the most crisp uniform and a brand-new pair of boots. But at least adhere to the minimum standard and hold the rest of the corps to it.

Look, if they say you can wear braids down or a ponytail, then that becomes the standard. But until then, ladies, put your hair in a bun or keep it off your shoulders. Gentlemen, ditch the "just woke up" and "newly hatched chickling" look. I don't care if it's cute; you're out of compliance. And if it continues, it's going to negatively impact your "cadet career" here. The exact same goes for seniors.
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: New AF Female Hair Standar...
Last post by etodd - January 25, 2021, 08:31:38 pm
Quote from: Spam on January 25, 2021, 07:35:23 pmA local leader who won't correct a simple thing like a haircut is an action item for me to retrain/monitor/possibly replace him/her.


A year from now, when we are to the point we have trouble keeping the airplanes flown enough, and trouble having enough Seniors to look over the youth ..... I imagine haircuts and that day old beard will be overlooked a lot. We will need warm bodies.

You'll counter with quality over quantity .... but at some point, we'll be begging for numbers. Almost there now in many Wings.
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: New AF Female Hair Standar...
Last post by Spam - January 25, 2021, 07:35:23 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on January 25, 2021, 06:45:11 pm
Quote from: Spam on January 25, 2021, 05:55:29 pmDuring the discussion, the topic of braids, locks and dreads, the pending DoD changes, and even discussions about ethnic-specific waivers for shaving circulated. The upshot is as presented here: we do not have local authority (at the unit, at the activity/encampment, at Wing or even Region) to do these waivers. If you feel that your situation warrants an exception, you submit it IAW the regs to go to NHQ for action.

It's much easier to complain or look the other way, then take the steps to make things right for
all parties.

CAP brings this upon themselves by lax enforcement across the board, which then opens the door
for complaints of discrimination or favoritism, etc.

It's hard to take an adult who is load-testing the buttons on his ABUs seriously when he
tells a cadet to get a haircut.

... which I why I hung up my USAF style uniforms years ago after I had an accident and started gaining, because I didn't want to look like a drogue parachute wrapped around a beer barrel. I screw up a lot, but this was an area where I tried to catch myself. I even weighed myself in front of my commanders one morning (ugh) and showed them how to look it up on the tables.

Uniforms, grooming and such are not the point of CAP. They are enabling tools. I maintain that they are a leading indicator of mind set and of individual and unit effectiveness (for example, if I go visit one of my Squadrons and see one sloppy Airman, I see a point problem... I see a bunch of them, I see a leadership issue and then start looking closer at other systematic things like airmanship, finance, safety, etc.). A local leader who won't correct a simple thing like a haircut is an action item for me to retrain/monitor/possibly replace him/her.

But that is probably just my experience.
- Spam
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The Lobby / Re: Aux On/Aux Off pencil pock...
Last post by PHall - January 25, 2021, 07:27:30 pm
Quote from: usaf_defender on January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pmNonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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You funny guy, you used inspection and flight suit in the same sentence!
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Tools of the trade / Re: Any Motorola programmers?
Last post by majdomke - January 25, 2021, 07:19:35 pm
Quote from: Brad on March 22, 2020, 01:40:51 amFeel free to give me a shout, I've programmed the 3000, 5000, and am waiting to get my System Key certification for the APX line from Motorola for my job once Coronavirus dies down some.
PM Sent
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The Lobby / Re: CAP 80th Anniversary Desig...
Last post by Eclipse - January 25, 2021, 06:45:39 pm
Saw that - well done and hilarious.
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Uniforms & Awards / Re: New AF Female Hair Standar...
Last post by Eclipse - January 25, 2021, 06:45:11 pm
Quote from: Spam on January 25, 2021, 05:55:29 pmDuring the discussion, the topic of braids, locks and dreads, the pending DoD changes, and even discussions about ethnic-specific waivers for shaving circulated. The upshot is as presented here: we do not have local authority (at the unit, at the activity/encampment, at Wing or even Region) to do these waivers. If you feel that your situation warrants an exception, you submit it IAW the regs to go to NHQ for action.

It's much easier to complain or look the other way, then take the steps to make things right for
all parties.

CAP brings this upon themselves by lax enforcement across the board, which then opens the door
for complaints of discrimination or favoritism, etc.

It's hard to take an adult who is load-testing the buttons on his ABUs seriously when he
tells a cadet to get a haircut.
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The Lobby / Re: CAP 80th Anniversary Desig...
Last post by TheSkyHornet - January 25, 2021, 06:08:13 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on January 25, 2021, 05:37:44 pmFirst one to add Bernie gets a 2b for violating use guidelines.


Better keep a close eye on the admins over at the Hawk Mountain Ranger School page on Facebook...

Bets on them being the first :P

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