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 11 
 on: Yesterday at 10:56:12 PM 
Started by Lakeshore-CAP-Ret - Last post by Eclipse
...along with ACTIVE member dues,

This is kinda funny as well, being another partially implemented idea left by the side of the road.

 12 
 on: Yesterday at 10:42:41 PM 
Started by Lakeshore-CAP-Ret - Last post by SARDOC
Why do we make it so difficult for a retired member to reaffiliate?  I don't know why a Lieutenant Colonel who retires after 20 years of service, needs authorization from the National Commander to  become active again.  But a Lieutenant Colonel who just let's their membership expire after 20 years of service...just needs to get the authorization of a squadron commander.

 13 
 on: Yesterday at 10:40:58 PM 
Started by TheMeepMan - Last post by Eclipse
And this is why I can't wait for the 39-1 rewrite to get done.


 14 
 on: Yesterday at 10:37:31 PM 
Started by TheMeepMan - Last post by Holding Pattern

Where did you hear that?  CAPP 60-41 directly overrides whatever gives you that belief.

"1.1 Regulatory Guidance
The Cadet Cyber and STEM Badges are authorized for wear on the CAP cadet uniform, effective 1 October 2018. See
CAPM 39-1, CAP Uniform Manual
. This pamphlet outlines the eligibility rules for cadets participating in this elective
program. The program does not serve senior members."

The answer lies in your quote. There are no wear instructions, or an ICL, in CAPM 39-1 authorizing wear or providing wear instructions. Until that changes, the badge can not be worn. CAPP 60-41 can not and does not supersede CAPM 39-1.

I disagree.  The badges are absolutely approved for wear.  But until a new 39-1 or an ICL is published, there is no instruction on placement of that wear.

CAPR 1-2 indicates specifically that CAP Pamphlets are Non-Directive. Therefor do NOT supersede Directive Publications like Regulations, Manuals, ICLs, etc...

And this is why I can't wait for the 39-1 rewrite to get done.

 15 
 on: Yesterday at 10:34:45 PM 
Started by TheMeepMan - Last post by SARDOC

Where did you hear that?  CAPP 60-41 directly overrides whatever gives you that belief.

"1.1 Regulatory Guidance
The Cadet Cyber and STEM Badges are authorized for wear on the CAP cadet uniform, effective 1 October 2018. See
CAPM 39-1, CAP Uniform Manual
. This pamphlet outlines the eligibility rules for cadets participating in this elective
program. The program does not serve senior members."

The answer lies in your quote. There are no wear instructions, or an ICL, in CAPM 39-1 authorizing wear or providing wear instructions. Until that changes, the badge can not be worn. CAPP 60-41 can not and does not supersede CAPM 39-1.

I disagree.  The badges are absolutely approved for wear.  But until a new 39-1 or an ICL is published, there is no instruction on placement of that wear.

CAPR 1-2 indicates specifically that CAP Pamphlets are Non-Directive. Therefor do NOT supersede Directive Publications like Regulations, Manuals, ICLs, etc...

 16 
 on: Yesterday at 07:14:04 PM 
Started by Lakeshore-CAP-Ret - Last post by Eclipse
CAPR 39-2, Page 20: https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/R039_002_A74FDA9552C2D.pdf

"4.3.2. Return to Active Status. Retired members may reapply for active membership with the
approval of the National Commander. The grade upon rejoining as an active member is the same
grade held while in retirement status. Complete CAPF 12 and fingerprint card (FD Form 258).
The application will be annotated across the top "RETIRED MEMBER RETURNING TO ACTIVE
STATUS”. Upon approval by the unit commander, the application and fingerprint card are
submitted, along with ACTIVE member dues, to National Headquarters/DPM. National
Headquarters will obtain the National Commander’s approval prior to processing. In order to
reinstate the member at the last grade held as an active member, a copy of the CAPF 2A placing
the member in retired status (or a copy of the retirement certificate) will be attached to the CAPF
12 and forwarded to National Headquarters."

 17 
 on: Yesterday at 07:10:52 PM 
Started by Lakeshore-CAP-Ret - Last post by Lakeshore-CAP-Ret
Where can I find the procedures for being reinstatement to CAP after retirement?


I thought it'd be under CAPR 35-5, but couldn't find it.  However, I did find the procedures for returning to CAP for members who left under good standings.  I thought (I remember) there is a procedure to return after a senior member has been retired.


Can someone with a personnel background let me know which manual this should be in?  I'll keep looking myself.


Thanks  8)

 18 
 on: Yesterday at 06:47:56 PM 
Started by Ozzy - Last post by NC Hokie
Full story here:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-woman-foot-arm-severed-plane-propeller

TLDR; Passenger lost some body parts after exiting plane and stepping into the propeller
How do you lose a FOOT to a Cessna propeller???

I can see the force of the initial impact throwing the victim into the air with a flailing foot crossing the prop disc.  Think of an ice skater losing his balance and flipping heels over head.

 19 
 on: Yesterday at 03:21:44 PM 
Started by Ozzy - Last post by Eclipse
Full story here:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-woman-foot-arm-severed-plane-propeller

TLDR; Passenger lost some body parts after exiting plane and stepping into the propeller
How do you lose a FOOT to a Cessna propeller???

Followups stories saying may only be arm:
https://nypost.com/2019/10/13/florida-woman-loses-arm-in-grisly-propeller-plane-accident/

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/florida-keys/article236092133.html

Also identifies victims and pilots, and aircraft type as Jeders mentioned.

This makes an interesting argument for removing the wheel pants...


 20 
 on: Yesterday at 02:54:50 PM 
Started by TheMeepMan - Last post by jeders
They are authorised for wear.  By your logic, current competitors in NCC would not wear the green ribbon instead of the blue because 39-3 has not been updated. They wear the grren ribbon per CAPP 52-4.  Same scenario.

39-3 governs the standards for awarding a ribbon; 39-1 simply tells you where your ribbons go. So your example does not work at all.

Until an updated 39-1, ICL, or wear policy letter comes out, we have no idea how, where, or on what uniforms to place the cyber and STEM badges. So until we have answers to those questions, regardless of what any unrelated pamphlet says, they cannot be worn on any CAP uniform.

You don't.

The Cyber and STEM badges are not approved for wear currently.

Where did you hear that?  CAPP 60-41 directly overrides whatever gives you that belief.

Wrong, pamphlets do not override unrelated manuals; they only provide additional non-regulatory guidance.

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