Quote from: GroundHawg on November 18, 2025, 07:28:15 PMCan we get someone to suggest a change to the corporate field uniform top now? Same cut and design as the OCP only in navy please.

And standardize the color to just one for the polo (either blue or black [I have both colors and lean more towards the black a touch more]) and eliminate the screen-printed version (which looks like crap after one washing).

Can we get someone to suggest a change to the corporate field uniform top now? Same cut and design as the OCP only in navy please.

BTW, this isn't an "official" visual aid, but its a helpful explainer for folks:

Quote from: biomed441 on November 17, 2025, 05:10:40 PMCAP needs to stop trying to out Air Force the Air Force. 

Civil Air Patrol: More Military Than The Military™. LOL

Quote from: NIN on November 13, 2025, 07:32:56 PMNational supposedly saying to a wing "if a member comes in uniform, they can participate regardless" sounds incredibly apocryphal. You go to the National Conference and they specify what uniforms may be worn for the event.  For example, there is usually a "no utility uniforms or flight suits" prohibition.  Its not the Wild, Wild West there.

I have been to conferences where a gaggle of c/Amn show up in ABUs and I was told "They don't have blues yet." Well, OK, but "appropriate attire," for the gravity and dignity of the activity is still a thing, so show up in a collared shirt and khakis or something.

You wouldn't show up to your sister's wedding in a pair of grubby jeans and a hoodie with the excuse "I don't have a suit yet," right?

You wont hear me disagree with that.  I think the distinction needs to be clear that its a uniform type, not a specific uniform.  If you have OCPs, and it's a field night, you should be allowed to wear them even if 99% of your squdaron is still in ABUs.  Happened in active duty that way during the BDU/ABU transition and the ABU/OCP transition. Saw plenty of formations with mix and match.  Part of the game.

CAP needs to stop trying to out Air Force the Air Force. 

I have several VHF EFJ 531E Handhelds available.  These are the newest of the EFJ 5100 ES series.  Version 6, as commonly found in CAP.  Firmware version 6.16.3, enhanced display enabled (two line so shows both channel and zone).  Programmed with new CAP national plan less the encrypted channels.  I can program your wing code plug if available. Must give a CAP ID to buy.  Radio only, no battery or charger.  Antenna options available.  Good price.

Programs  with PC Configure 2.14.5 (available free at W9CR.org).  Programming cables are available at reasonable costs from BlueMax49er, KJ6ZWL.

Call or test 336 402 3039

Quote from: biomed441 on November 12, 2025, 03:44:04 PMThere was an instance, I cant remember if it was a wing hosted course or a conference where someone was told that if they didn't wear a specific UOD to the activity they could not participate.  I think it was region or National that found out and said if the member shows up in a CAP uniform, they can participate regardless of the UOD so long as it doesn't present a safety issue for the activity.   So commanders banning the wear of an authorized uniform may not fly for long.

Its all a mess... as is every uniform transition. 

Amen to that last part.  Its just growing pains. I went thru the transition to epaulet blues shirts, then fatigues to BDUs (and all the subsequent tuneups to the original guidance) then BDU to ABU (and the couple adjustments there) and now ABU to OCP.  In every instance of a change, someone advised their commander that the loss of uniformity was going to cause:
 

• a huge hit to morale;
• a huge hit to operational capability;
• a complete lack of "standards" leading to a breakdown in unit cohesion & discipline;
• a loss of credibility;
• dogs and cats to live together, leading to mass hysteria.

or any combination of the above.

At the end of the day, none of those things happened. Ever.

"This too shall pass." LOL.

I will say, commanders have the inherent ability to set the Uniform of the Day (or for the event, or whatever).

CAPR 39-1, para 1.2.5.3 "[...]The CAP/CC and other commanders may specify the wear of a particular uniform type for the purpose of achieving a uniform appearance at squadron, group, wing, region, and national functions. [...]"

National supposedly saying to a wing "if a member comes in uniform, they can participate regardless" sounds incredibly apocryphal. You go to the National Conference and they specify what uniforms may be worn for the event.  For example, there is usually a "no utility uniforms or flight suits" prohibition.  Its not the Wild, Wild West there.

I have been to conferences where a gaggle of c/Amn show up in ABUs and I was told "They don't have blues yet." Well, OK, but "appropriate attire," for the gravity and dignity of the activity is still a thing, so show up in a collared shirt and khakis or something.

You wouldn't show up to your sister's wedding in a pair of grubby jeans and a hoodie with the excuse "I don't have a suit yet," right?

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 10:56:06 PM

Quote from: PHall on November 12, 2025, 06:08:22 PM

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 08:32:37 AMBrilliant PR move to announce killing the glider program as a note in the PROPS newsletter on the same day the OCP uniform was announced.

Except it wasn't announced in PROPS. The last PROPS was dated October 7.

Last PROPS I got was November 4. You might want to check that you're still subscribed. Try the "update profile" link at the bottom of the last PROPS email you received.

I read the one posted in the NEWS section of the NHQ Web Page.  But I did get an wing wide email from my wing commander about it though.

Quote from: PHall on November 12, 2025, 06:08:22 PM

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 08:32:37 AMBrilliant PR move to announce killing the glider program as a note in the PROPS newsletter on the same day the OCP uniform was announced.

Except it wasn't announced in PROPS. The last PROPS was dated October 7.

Last PROPS I got was November 4. You might want to check that you're still subscribed. Try the "update profile" link at the bottom of the last PROPS email you received.

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 08:32:37 AMBrilliant PR move to announce killing the glider program as a note in the PROPS newsletter on the same day the OCP uniform was announced.

Except it wasn't announced in PROPS. The last PROPS was dated October 7.