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Title: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on May 12, 2015, 04:36:57 AM
I'm consolidating some uniform tips to make available (I'd like to include some photos when finished).  Here are some of mine.  Any suggestions?

General Information & PurchasingIroningWearing Your Uniform
Maintenance
Storing Uniforms
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Footwear
Insignia
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What You Need for Uniform Care: The Essentials


What You Need for Uniform Care: Optional/Nice-to-Have Items

What You Need to Do Your Own Sewing
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JacobAnn on May 12, 2015, 06:06:54 AM
These are great tips.  Some I knew, some I did not.  Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on May 12, 2015, 06:10:07 AM
If you have any more, please share.  I'd like to consolidate as many as possible.

I wish that someone had told me about pressing cloths long ago.  Shiny uniforms look awful.   

I'd also like to address any lousy practices.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: NIN on May 12, 2015, 06:53:09 AM
Wash your BDUs/BBDUs in cold water and avoid tumble drying.  (This is slightly less of a factor now with fabric strip nametags than it was with the old webbed strips)  This keeps your uniform "newer looking," reduces unnecessary shrinkage, and prepares it for ironing.   Hang the uniform to dry before pressing. 

If you're *REALLY* crazy about starching your uniform, use StaFlo or similar starch in a spray bottle mixed down 2:1 water to starch, spray the uniform down after it comes out of the wash on the hangar while you let it hang-dry.  Then press with steam.  You'll like the results.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: NIN on May 12, 2015, 07:01:13 AM
When folding insignia, use some lightweight water-soluble craft adhesive to hold the insignia. (actually, I've been using Elmer's Craft Bond for years and its *not* water soluble...whoops!)

Trim the insignia down using pinking shears to reduce fraying.  Lightly dust the backside of the insignia with adhesive (use a box or mom will get mad!). Fold the insignia on parallel sides. Place under a book or something else heavy to hold it for a few minutes (ie. M-1 tank, a handy aircraft carrier, etc). Dust the back again with adhesive, fold the other two sides. Place back under convenient half-track or APC for a few minutes.  Dust one last time, position & measure, then hold until relatively secure. Sew in place (WITH A SEWING MACHINE).

(use something other than Craft Bond, BTW. I've apparently been using the wrong stuff for too long..)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Flying Pig on May 12, 2015, 09:01:08 AM
When attaching devices on ribbons, break the back prongs off of the devices.  They will break off clean.  Then use white Elmers glue, put small dab on the back of the device with a toothpick.  Then press the device onto the ribbon.  Use a clean toothpick to easily wipe off any excess guy that me squeeze out.  Any small amounts left dry clear.  Your ribbons wont get all warped or distorted by punching the clasp through.  Ive done this for years.  Its sticks grey and your ribbons stay looking sharp.  Elmers Wood Glue works the best, but its yellow.  You just have to be more careful about what squeezes out.   Get an old ribbon and practice it before you go to working on your real set.  If you have fat fingers.... use a pair of tweezers or needle nose pliers to set the device on the ribbon.  You don't want to slide it into place. 
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on May 12, 2015, 11:09:52 AM
When attaching devices on ribbons, break the back prongs off of the devices.  They will break off clean.  Then use white Elmers glue, put small dab on the back of the device with a toothpick.  Then press the device onto the ribbon.  Use a clean toothpick to easily wipe off any excess guy that me squeeze out.  Any small amounts left dry clear.  Your ribbons wont get all warped or distorted by punching the clasp through.  Ive done this for years.  Its sticks grey and your ribbons stay looking sharp.  Elmers Wood Glue works the best, but its yellow.  You just have to be more careful about what squeezes out.   Get an old ribbon and practice it before you go to working on your real set.  If you have fat fingers.... use a pair of tweezers or needle nose pliers to set the device on the ribbon.  You don't want to slide it into place.

UltraThin uses tweezers to place their attachments on the ribbons.  It does take some practice, but many squadrons likely have some old, dirty ribbons that have little use beyond acting as a practice piece.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: kwe1009 on May 15, 2015, 03:39:21 PM
When attaching devices on ribbons, break the back prongs off of the devices.  They will break off clean.  Then use white Elmers glue, put small dab on the back of the device with a toothpick.  Then press the device onto the ribbon.  Use a clean toothpick to easily wipe off any excess guy that me squeeze out.  Any small amounts left dry clear.  Your ribbons wont get all warped or distorted by punching the clasp through.  Ive done this for years.  Its sticks grey and your ribbons stay looking sharp.  Elmers Wood Glue works the best, but its yellow.  You just have to be more careful about what squeezes out.   Get an old ribbon and practice it before you go to working on your real set.  If you have fat fingers.... use a pair of tweezers or needle nose pliers to set the device on the ribbon.  You don't want to slide it into place.

UltraThin uses tweezers to place their attachments on the ribbons.  It does take some practice, but many squadrons likely have some old, dirty ribbons that have little use beyond acting as a practice piece.

A small pair of needle nosed pliers work well too and have a better gripping surface.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Flying Pig on May 15, 2015, 03:45:28 PM
^^true.  Just don't get the grungy pair out of daddy's tool box :).
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: kwe1009 on May 15, 2015, 04:25:37 PM
^^true.  Just don't get the grungy pair out of daddy's tool box :).

Definitely.  I have a pair that I keep in my uniform box with all of my other supplies like thread and extra frogs.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: ProdigalJim on May 15, 2015, 08:33:00 PM
James, as usual you've nailed it. Awesome list!
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: abdsp51 on May 16, 2015, 12:46:11 AM
Don't use any type of floor wax on your shoes/boots.

Don't use edge dressing to shine your shoes/boots.

Use a seam gauge when you do your measurements for insignia.

Always wear thick boot socks when wearing boots.

You only need at the most 4 shirt garters for your blues shirt. 

Dry clean pants and service coat.  (Yes some pants can be washed but dry cleaning is the preferred method)

Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: HGjunkie on May 16, 2015, 01:10:32 AM
Always wear thick boot socks when wearing boots.
Depends on the sock, UA makes some mean boot socks which are thin and extremely comfortable. Also depends on the boot, get good boots and you won't ever worry about it.

Other:
Invest in dry cleaning for blues, tailoring for the shirts (it really looks 100x better than just tucking it)

Edge dressing will work wonders on the edges of your shoes, just not any other part of them.

Get the shirt garters that wrap around your foot instead of the other kind

Corframs will last for years if you treat them well

Use backing on ALL your insignia (even service coat, it works and looks sharper than nothing)

Sew down the pockets on your blues shirt, they're useless and look bad when they stick out
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: abdsp51 on May 16, 2015, 01:26:51 AM
Depends on the sock, UA makes some mean boot socks which are thin and extremely comfortable. Also depends on the boot, get good boots and you won't ever worry about it.

Yeah no I wear and have worn nothing but high quality boots for 16 years both in CAP and my day job.  Thick boot socks are a key factor in preventing many issues that can develop with your feet from wearing boots.  The money is well spent on both items and go along way in preventing other issues down the road. 

Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Holding Pattern on May 16, 2015, 01:29:24 AM
Hrm. As a cadet I was just told to wear two pairs of socks.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: abdsp51 on May 16, 2015, 01:38:32 AM
Hrm. As a cadet I was just told to wear two pairs of socks.

Your feet and back. I always wore boot socks even as a cadet and good boots.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on May 16, 2015, 03:48:18 AM
I would not recommend wearing 2 pairs of socks to anyone, especially if they're cotton.  They are likely to separate and can rub, causing blisters and such.  The only exception I'd make would be to say sock liners are fine because they're skin tight and thin.

I plan to include footwear choice recommendations in my final printable version.  I have taught members how to choose socks, boots, and shoes as part of uniform classes and GT gear classes.  That includes considerations like material types for socks, construction of shoes/boots based on your individual needs (say, if you have foot/ankle/knee/back issues, or if you pronate/supinate), if you have dry skin or sweat a lot, etc.

I wear SmartWool socks for boots, pretty much exclusively.  I also have some Under Armour boot socks that I got from AAFES Clothing Sales.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: HGjunkie on May 16, 2015, 03:04:24 PM
I have some boot suggestions:
Bates Delta 8's with their adjustable support insole (mine are going strong after 4 years of regular CAP wear).
Rocky C4T's and S2V's - very popular here at the zoo (I have some C4's they're great)
Literally anything other than jungle boots
Belleville (700?) flight boots
Corcoran marauders - NOT the all leather variant, the cloth and leather one. (also decently comfortable but pricier).
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: LSThiker on May 16, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
I would not recommend wearing 2 pairs of socks to anyone, especially if they're cotton.

I would not recommend wearing cotton anything if you can avoid it. It is a horrible fabric. For tbe undershirt, wear polyester. For the socks, either merino wool or polyester.

For those that do not know, cotton when wet is horrible at retaining heat. In addition, it takes a long time to dry. Polyester is better at retaining heat and is quicker to dry. In addition, it is typically lighter than cotton. Wool has fantastic heating abilities when wet. The down side is that it is heavy and can a while to dry. Merino wool is more breathable and does dry faster than regular wool.

Backpackers are pretty much straight anti-cotton clothing.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on May 16, 2015, 08:01:50 PM
I would not recommend wearing 2 pairs of socks to anyone, especially if they're cotton.

I would not recommend wearing cotton anything if you can avoid it. It is a horrible fabric. For tbe undershirt, wear polyester. For the socks, either merino wool or polyester.

For those that do not know, cotton when wet is horrible at retaining heat. In addition, it takes a long time to dry. Polyester is better at retaining heat and is quicker to dry. In addition, it is typically lighter than cotton. Wool has fantastic heating abilities when wet. The down side is that it is heavy and can a while to dry. Merino wool is more breathable and does dry faster than regular wool.

Backpackers are pretty much straight anti-cotton clothing.

I had "Cotton Kills" on about 3 slides of my most recent presentation on selecting cold weather clothing.

This is when goons from Cotton Incorporated showed up at my front door, attempted to smother me with a bag of cotton, and told me that I had to replace it with their "Cotton - the fabric of our lives" song.

Before leaving, they branded me with their trademark:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/79/Cotton_Incorporated_%28logo%29.jpg/200px-Cotton_Incorporated_%28logo%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: MSG Mac on May 16, 2015, 08:37:22 PM
When blousing your trousers, blouse them from the inside. This keeps the trousers from riding up or becoming unbloused.

1. Put on trousers
2. put on boots
3. Lower the trousers, create an inside cuff and wrap the blousing band* around your cuff and boot.
4. Raise trousers, buckle belt.
 The trousers will be taut when pulled up.

*Use the Velcro 1 inch blousing bands.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: LSThiker on May 16, 2015, 11:18:54 PM
This is when goons from Cotton Incorporated showed up at my front door, attempted to smother me with a bag of cotton, and told me that I had to replace it with their "Cotton - the fabric of our lives" song.

Well, if they send Zooey Deschanel.........{wondering how many times I can type no cotton}
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: abdsp51 on May 16, 2015, 11:43:07 PM
When blousing your trousers, blouse them from the inside. This keeps the trousers from riding up or becoming unbloused.

1. Put on trousers
2. put on boots
3. Lower the trousers, create an inside cuff and wrap the blousing band* around your cuff and boot.
4. Raise trousers, buckle belt.
 The trousers will be taut when pulled up.

*Use the Velcro 1 inch blousing bands.

Or you can place the issue GI bands into the cuff and crimp together.  Instant blousing and last for awhile. 
I agree velcro bands work wonders for blousing.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: jhighman on May 17, 2015, 12:07:30 AM
When blousing your trousers, blouse them from the inside. This keeps the trousers from riding up or becoming unbloused.

1. Put on trousers
2. put on boots
3. Lower the trousers, create an inside cuff and wrap the blousing band* around your cuff and boot.
4. Raise trousers, buckle belt.
 The trousers will be taut when pulled up.

*Use the Velcro 1 inch blousing bands.

Or you can place the issue GI bands into the cuff and crimp together.  Instant blousing and last for awhile. 
I agree velcro bands work wonders for blousing.

This trick is also quite helpful for those who are in the awful habit of wrapping their extra long boot laces around the tops of their boots. Instead, after lowering your trousers per these instructions, draw the laces as tight as you like and tie your first bow. Take the long ears and pull them up your leg. When you blouse the trousers with the band, also wrap them around the surplus boot lace.

It will take a little getting used to, but looks so much more squared away.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on May 17, 2015, 08:45:44 AM
I use the 2 inch Velcro elastic bands and fold them in half.

I'm pretty sure my Infantry Combat Boots came with instructions that said to wrap the laces around.  But it would be faaaaaaaar from the first time I ignored an instruction booklet.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: PHall on May 17, 2015, 11:08:07 AM
There are many, many ways to blouse boots. Take ten people and you will find ten different ways to do it.
And every one of them is the "right" way....     As long as the results meet the requirements of CAPM 39-1, who cares how you did it?
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: lordmonar on May 17, 2015, 01:11:41 PM
There are many, many ways to blouse boots. Take ten people and you will find ten different ways to do it.
And every one of them is the "right" way....     As long as the results meet the requirements of CAPM 39-1, who cares how you did it?
+1
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on May 17, 2015, 07:52:36 PM
AAFES is unloading their woodland color blousing bands for half the price of Vanguard.  We should stock up.

I've been doing a BUNCH of edits to the master list of tips above.  Additions are welcome.  I'd like to make a printable packet that can be shared.

39-1 should not exist in a vacuum.  People who don't have a military or cadet background are easily overwhelmed and confused by 39-1.  Having tutorial-type information provides context and fills the gaps.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: lordmonar on May 17, 2015, 08:55:45 PM
I'm leery of a "list of uniform tips" because "good ideas" and "short cuts that worked for me" slowly become "this is the only acceptable way of doing XYZ".
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Mela_007 on May 23, 2015, 01:56:57 PM
Thanks for sharing!  These are great.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Sapper168 on May 23, 2015, 04:25:53 PM
I'm leery of a "list of uniform tips" because "good ideas" and "short cuts that worked for me" slowly become "this is the only acceptable way of doing XYZ".

CAP Urban Legends.

Have ran across this with cadets in my squadron, especially when it comes to utilizing cargo pockets and pockets on the bdu top.  Somehow It went from "It looks better when they are empty" to "the regs prohibit you from using those pockets."   
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: NorCal21 on May 23, 2015, 05:58:02 PM
Awesome list guys!

One thing I always wear are my shirt stays. It's a habit from the Marines. Of course I have had my trousers and shirts tailored first, and then I still use the stays because it keeps the shirt pulled taught. Looks better than when it starts backing out of your belt line because you get up and down or bend over and stand back up. I think this is more the extra mile though than what I think most people would do.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: NorCal21 on May 23, 2015, 06:03:16 PM
When blousing your trousers, blouse them from the inside. This keeps the trousers from riding up or becoming unbloused.

1. Put on trousers
2. put on boots
3. Lower the trousers, create an inside cuff and wrap the blousing band* around your cuff and boot.
4. Raise trousers, buckle belt.
 The trousers will be taut when pulled up.

*Use the Velcro 1 inch blousing bands.

You know, I do it the way I was taught in the Marines. Has served me well so far.

Wrap the laces around the top of your boot and then tie the bow. Place the blousing band between 2nd and 3rd eyelets. Don't pull your trousers all the way yet where they would normally sit on your waist. Blouse the trouser legs. Pull up trousers and button them. This gets you a tight blouse and one that is neat versus having a bunch of material hanging down and over the blousing point. Of course you're going to get some material hanging down as you work throughout the day.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: HGjunkie on May 24, 2015, 02:14:08 AM
When blousing your trousers, blouse them from the inside. This keeps the trousers from riding up or becoming unbloused.

1. Put on trousers
2. put on boots
3. Lower the trousers, create an inside cuff and wrap the blousing band* around your cuff and boot.
4. Raise trousers, buckle belt.
 The trousers will be taut when pulled up.

*Use the Velcro 1 inch blousing bands.

You know, I do it the way I was taught in the Marines. Has served me well so far.

Wrap the laces around the top of your boot and then tie the bow. Place the blousing band between 2nd and 3rd eyelets. Don't pull your trousers all the way yet where they would normally sit on your waist. Blouse the trouser legs. Pull up trousers and button them. This gets you a tight blouse and one that is neat versus having a bunch of material hanging down and over the blousing point. Of course you're going to get some material hanging down as you work throughout the day.
Won't that mean the pants are draped down on the top portion of the boot though?
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Alaric on May 24, 2015, 02:25:08 AM
I like to look good in what I'm wearing as much as the next guy, but if we spent half the time we spend jawjacking about uniforms on our actual missions, we would be a force to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Storm Chaser on May 24, 2015, 09:45:57 AM
I like to look good in what I'm wearing as much as the next guy, but if we spent half the time we spend jawjacking about uniforms on our actual missions, we would be a force to be reckoned with.

That is so true.

Our uniforms should look good. But if you're spending more time on your uniform than on the mission, you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: NIN on May 24, 2015, 11:29:49 AM
I snagged on of these measuring devices last year:
(http://www.dritz.com/sites/default/files/styles/large_product_image/public/products/images/dq3100-l-0.jpg?itok=SfcjSMTl)

It works a treat for quickly and easily doing shoulder-sleeve insignia and collar insignia.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: MIKE on May 24, 2015, 05:11:13 PM
I snagged on of these measuring devices last year:
(http://www.dritz.com/sites/default/files/styles/large_product_image/public/products/images/dq3100-l-0.jpg?itok=SfcjSMTl)

It works a treat for quickly and easily doing shoulder-sleeve insignia and collar insignia.

I use one of these: http://www.rangerjoes.com/Ruler-Uniform-P727.aspx (http://www.rangerjoes.com/Ruler-Uniform-P727.aspx)
(http://www.rangerjoes.com/GetImage.ashx?Path=%7e%2fAssets%2fProductImages%2f06584.jpg&maintainAspectRatio=true&maxHeight=300&maxWidth=300)

Comes in really handy for ribbons and nametags... especially when they need to be spaced 1/4" above the pocket... Unlike CAP.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
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Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: PHall on December 17, 2015, 11:44:48 PM
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WHY ARE YOU YELLING?????????     All CAPS is considered yelling on the Internet. And the Vanguard monthly discount is not worth yelling about.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Chappie on December 18, 2015, 01:34:00 PM
Phil....don't be such a Scrooge.  ;)   Can't you see that the poster is a newbie and is excited about Vanguard's Christmas Discount????  Oh the joy of the making a Vanguard purchase and the surprise you get when you open the package  ::)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: PHall on December 18, 2015, 09:30:10 PM
Phil....don't be such a Scrooge.  ;)   Can't you see that the poster is a newbie and is excited about Vanguard's Christmas Discount????  Oh the joy of the making a Vanguard purchase and the surprise you get when you open the package  ::)

If you get the package... ;)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Protohuman on December 24, 2015, 06:32:06 PM
Phil..Sorry I upset you.  I did not know that " all caps" meant anything. The computer just happened to be set with caps locked on.  I did not even notice that until I cut and pasted the URL for the discount.  With the high cost of Vanguard and their supply lock on many CAP items I was just trying to pass on a little discount.  Some families have several CAP members and Vanguard items and shipping seam quite expensive compared to other sources. Unfortunately there are several uniform items we can only order from Vanguard. Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: William K. Bolan on February 11, 2016, 09:43:50 AM
So on my BDU, am I required to have the American flag on the side or not? I am hearing no from some, and yes from others
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Garibaldi on February 11, 2016, 10:06:16 AM
So on my BDU, am I required to have the American flag on the side or not? I am hearing no from some, and yes from others

The mandatory non-wear date is next year, to have it off the uniform. Some units are not making new members put it on, but not making current members take it off until 2017. I'd ask your commander.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Chappie on February 11, 2016, 12:37:45 PM
So on my BDU, am I required to have the American flag on the side or not? I am hearing no from some, and yes from others

The mandatory non-wear date is next year, to have it off the uniform. Some units are not making new members put it on, but not making current members take it off until 2017. I'd ask your commander.

^^Good advise regarding to see how the local unit is handling this.   On a personal note, the flag is no longer on my BDUs and hasn't been since the current uniform manual was released.   And no...this is not an open invite to regurgitate that whole flag on/off debate.
 
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Jester on March 21, 2016, 05:57:58 PM
Problem:  I've always had a hard time with shirt stays remaining connected on the shirttail. After recently joining CAP a few years removed from AD I encountered this again.

My initial idea was to have buttonholes sewn into the shirttail so the shirt stay would have something good to hold onto. This may still work but I don't have the skill or equipment to do it and my local alterations doesn't either.

Solution:  what I can do, however, is sew on a button. I saw this on a cop forum and smacked my forehead that I hadn't thought of it before.

I went to Walmart, got a pack of assorted buttons and needles for $1 each. Then I got some heavy duty upholstery thread for a similar amount.  I picked 4 buttons that would fit through the metal part of the connector but would also securely hold it.

Then I sewed each button on using the directions here: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/06/28/sewing-on-a-button/

This allows a shank to account for the spacing needed to hang the metal loop on the button.

Time will tell how this works long term, but I dig it thus far.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: lordmonar on March 21, 2016, 06:04:32 PM
Try maybe going to locals Jo Anns or other local sewing/fabric store.

"Hey I need two button holes on my shirt.  I don't want to spend $200+ on a sewing machine. Can you help?"

They may be able to do it for you...or suggest someone who does home tailoring/sewing/seam-stressing that can do it for you cheap.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Jester on March 21, 2016, 06:17:26 PM
It would be lower profile but I wonder how much the pull of the shirt stay will cause the inside of a button hole to tear.

I have like 4 other shirts that still have stripes on them that I'll take a swing at having buttonholed for later, so we shall see.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Eclipse on March 21, 2016, 06:26:17 PM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN2ttNu3F_M#)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: lordmonar on March 21, 2016, 06:26:59 PM
I don't know....I've never had the problem of my shirt stays coming off.

My first guess would be that you are pulling too tight.  They are not there to really keep the shirts super tight.

You might also want to try using more of them.   Spread the load around.

Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Jester on March 21, 2016, 06:37:06 PM
No clue. At one time I wore 6 total but as I've become less hooah with age I've mellowed to just 4.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on March 21, 2016, 07:58:05 PM
No clue. At one time I wore 6 total but as I've become less hooah with age I've mellowed to just 4.

Yea, went from 8, to 6, to 4 now. Does the gut count as #5?
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Shieldel on March 22, 2016, 12:49:54 AM
I myself as a cadet, don't worry about shirt stays as normally when on Nellis for blues night meetings I'm in class a's with my service coat anyways. When at an event or when it's determined officers do not wear their coat at NCS Meetings, I wear a ShirtLock. I swear by the thing and it has made life so much easier. I don't wear shirt stays. I've seen far too many "incidents" with my male LVMPD Police Explorers when wearing shirt stays. lol.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Eclipse on March 22, 2016, 01:00:12 AM
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg4908#msg4908 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg4908#msg4908)

and

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg75617#msg75617 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg75617#msg75617)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Shieldel on March 22, 2016, 04:06:34 AM
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg4908#msg4908 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg4908#msg4908)

and

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg75617#msg75617 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg75617#msg75617)

That gave me a good giggle, much appreciated sir, I'm going through personal issues so that was a well needed laugh.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on March 22, 2016, 11:21:40 AM
http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg4908#msg4908 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg4908#msg4908)

and

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg75617#msg75617 (http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=325.msg75617#msg75617)


That 2005 story is ALWAYS a pleasure to read. I think I've seen it linked, and read it fully at least 4-5 times.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: AlphaSigOU on March 22, 2016, 03:42:11 PM
Shirt garter emasculation... you only hafta experience it once. Once. :)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: spatch on April 13, 2016, 11:04:50 AM
I am a returning member after a 5 year hiatus and am preparing my mess dress for our Wing Conference.  In doing so, I noticed that my metal CAP seal has become tarnished.  Any tips on how to safely clean it? (I realize now that I should've kept it in a ziplock bag.  Didn't think of it or care when I left CAP years ago, so please don't even bring that up.  :-X)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Eclipse on April 13, 2016, 11:22:56 AM
It's probably not tarnished, the epoxy coating has probably yellowed, depends on the vintage.

Best bet is to just get a new one.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: spatch on April 13, 2016, 11:34:30 AM
Yes, what was once white is now yellow.  Don't have time to buy a new one as I need to be ready by Friday evening.  Bought the original 8 years ago, if that helps.  Even if I didn't need it so soon, I'd prefer to try to clean/restore it before buying a new one.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Al Sayre on April 13, 2016, 11:42:38 AM
You could try something like those kits they sell to clean up faded/fogged headlights... Beyond that replacing it is the only sure fix I know of.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Hummingbird on May 03, 2016, 01:54:33 PM
Quick tip for loosely aligning insignia without tools and in a hurry:

Fold the shirt/blouse backwards (along the "spine", to give a reference) and line each half of the collar up with the other. Then make sure that it's a mirror image. Did this to help someone fix their stuff in a hurry before a uniform inspection. Even if it's not quite the right distance from each edge it'll look a bit better.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: TheSkyHornet on May 03, 2016, 01:57:38 PM
I finally came to the point where I had to refer to this post to find the thread # for the patches.

You should have seen me standing in the store aisle trying to figure out which threads were blue and which were purple (color deficient)  :-\
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on June 20, 2016, 12:23:52 PM
I finally came to the point where I had to refer to this post to find the thread # for the patches.

You should have seen me standing in the store aisle trying to figure out which threads were blue and which were purple (color deficient)  :-\

I may have to change the colors.  We'll see.  Might just be #4900 (Navy).
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: TheSkyHornet on June 20, 2016, 03:55:47 PM
I finally came to the point where I had to refer to this post to find the thread # for the patches.

You should have seen me standing in the store aisle trying to figure out which threads were blue and which were purple (color deficient)  :-\

I may have to change the colors.  We'll see.  Might just be #4900 (Navy).

Great. Another excursion around Jo-Ann Fabric like a lost little lamb
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on June 25, 2016, 04:24:25 AM
I finally came to the point where I had to refer to this post to find the thread # for the patches.

You should have seen me standing in the store aisle trying to figure out which threads were blue and which were purple (color deficient)  :-\

I may have to change the colors.  We'll see.  Might just be #4900 (Navy).

Great. Another excursion around Jo-Ann Fabric like a lost little lamb

If it's #4900, that's available pretty much everywhere. 
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: MSG Mac on June 25, 2016, 04:37:04 PM
When cleaning Corfam/Poremic shoes use a soft dry cloth and nonabrasive soap. dish soap or shaving cream works wonders
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: SarDragon on June 26, 2016, 04:01:45 AM
Windex worked well for me, followed by a wipe with a cloth having a light spritz of Pledge. Light spritz, barely wetting the cloth.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: JC004 on October 21, 2016, 05:15:17 PM
I'd like to resume working on this project of compiling uniform tips into a guide, now that I am getting caught up on a number of post-hospital projects. 

I'd like to have a printable version (that individual members can print, or you can distribute during classes) and a web version to which you can easily point your members.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: docrameous on January 01, 2017, 06:27:22 PM
Posted from another thread... if you take your ABU/BDU to a tailor and you are not certain they understand the regs for putting on your occupational badges, show them this graphic (in addition to the relevant text out of 39-1)

(http://the-palmers.org/badges3.png)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: oweng_01 on March 05, 2017, 06:49:03 PM
dose anyone know if your allowed to military press your AF blues uniform? Over all good article.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Jester on March 05, 2017, 07:15:14 PM
dose anyone know if your allowed to military press your AF blues uniform? Over all good article.


If you mean "military creases" with 2 running down the front and 3 running down the back, then no.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: waukwiz on June 10, 2017, 02:41:08 PM
Unbutton, starch and iron the shoulder straps on blues shirts before ironing the rest of the garment. Subtle, but goes a long way.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: HandsomeWalt_USMC on June 10, 2017, 03:34:14 PM
Here is my step by step pro-tip for getting your name tapes, patches and insignia properly sewn on for your ABU/BDU/BBDU. I find this method to produce cleanly folded, properly aligned and attached insignia and reduce headaches of trying to explain 39-1 requirements to mom's/wives/seamstresses and inevitably having to have things redone.

Materials required:
-Cloth insignia, name tapes, patches as required.
-Double sided instant hem tape with paper backing
-Ruler
-Iron
-Good, sharp scissors. Do not use your mom/wife's good scissors. If you gunk them up with adhesive they will be angry.
-Sewing machine or seamstress/mom/wife etc if you don't sew.
-Tailor's chalk or other delible marking implement.

1. Using a good pair of sharp scissors, trim down backing fabric on insignia to 3/8 of an inch around insignia edges. For name/CAP tapes, trim to 1/2 inch beyond width of pocket.
2. Trim double sided instant hem tape to size with 1/8 inch around insignia edges. For tapes, cut hem tape to width of pocket.
3. Apply instant hem tape to rear of insignia. Leave paper backing on hem tape for now. Patches get hem tape applied along each edge and trimmed to just under the edge of the patch as necessary.
4. Fold over each edge of insignia, using the stiff edge of the hem tape with backing as your guide. Iron each fold to a sharp crease from the REAR side of insignia to prevent iron shine. For tapes, fold under ends at pocket width and crease accordingly.
5. CAREFULLY remove backing from hem tape.
6. Starting with the narrow ends of the insignia and following your established creases, fold over the 1/4 inch of excess fabric per side and press firmly to adhere to hem tape.
7. If necessary trim any stray threads or fabric poking outside your now properly spaced and folded insignia.
8. Apply another layer of hem tape to rear of insignia and nametapes.
9. Remove backing from hem tape on name tapes. Apply to proper position on pocket edge. Press firmly to adhere.
10. Measure placement of insignia over name tapes. Place insignia on uniform (Note: DO NOT REMOVE HEM TAPE BACKING ON INSIGNIA YET.). Mark position with tailor's chalk or other chosen marking implement.
11. Measure and mark collar insignia placement in accordance with step 10.
12. Remove backing from hem tape on all insignia.
13. Place insignia in proper locations as marked. Press firmly to adhere. Double check placement with ruler before continuing. At this point it is still fairly easy to remove and re-position insignia if needed.
14. Turn garment inside out. Iron over inside of garment where insignia is placed. This melts the adhesive and sets the insignia in place. Iron collar insignia from underside of collar.
15. Sew insignia/tapes/patches in place using sewing machine with appropriate thread color or bring to seamstress.

Hope you all find this helpful! Usually takes me about a half hour of measuring, trimming, ironing, etc to set up one uniform
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: GaryVC on June 10, 2017, 07:16:03 PM
Posted from another thread... if you take your ABU/BDU to a tailor and you are not certain they understand the regs for putting on your occupational badges, show them this graphic (in addition to the relevant text out of 39-1)

(http://the-palmers.org/badges3.png)

It is interesting to me that the items that aren't mentioned look wrong. The rank isn't centered and the wing patch (which in Nevada we don't have to wear on any uniform) looks like it is an inch down from the seam rather than 1/2 inch.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: NIN on June 10, 2017, 08:20:20 PM
I just sewed these for someone and the IC badge is exactly 1/2" from the top of the name tape to the white, and the IC badge to wings is exactly 1/2" white to white.  As you can see, it looks... "off".

My solution usually is to cheat the middle badge down a tiny bit (within the "tolerance", like less than 1/16") and the upper badge up a similar amount. The evened out spacing looks more correct. Nobody has even questioned it in the 15 years I've been doing it that way.



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Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Ethan Larsen on September 02, 2017, 01:33:30 PM
When attaching devices on ribbons, break the back prongs off of the devices.  They will break off clean.  Then use white Elmers glue, put small dab on the back of the device with a toothpick.  Then press the device onto the ribbon.  Use a clean toothpick to easily wipe off any excess guy that me squeeze out.  Any small amounts left dry clear.  Your ribbons wont get all warped or distorted by punching the clasp through.  Ive done this for years.  Its sticks grey and your ribbons stay looking sharp.  Elmers Wood Glue works the best, but its yellow.  You just have to be more careful about what squeezes out.   Get an old ribbon and practice it before you go to working on your real set.  If you have fat fingers.... use a pair of tweezers or needle nose pliers to set the device on the ribbon.  You don't want to slide it into place.

I am getting a device for my Encampment Ribbon, so I am curious why you would glue the device on. What if you earn another device?
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Jester on September 02, 2017, 01:48:47 PM
It never sits right when you use the prongs. It's easier to put a dab of glue on and the position the device on the ribbon and make minor corrections before it sets.

If you punch the prongs through and then realize they weren't attached to the device straight, when you pull it out there's massive holes in the ribbon that are quite noticeable.

It's also easier to move the ribbon from one rack to another if the devices are glued. If the prongs catch on the rack while you're sliding it off you're probably going to lose the ribbon.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: PHall on September 02, 2017, 04:08:09 PM
And ribbons are cheap. Don't worry about ruining one.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: kwe1009 on September 02, 2017, 05:37:03 PM
If you are using white school glue then you can probably remove the device to reposition when you earn another device.  Plus, like PHall said, ribbons are cheap.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Jester on September 02, 2017, 09:09:29 PM
If I have to order them from Vanguard, I'll make a ribbon last as long as possible. My military ribbons are easy, I can just go to MCS and grab them.

That's part of the reason I only use plastic racks instead of metal. I've had the metal ones slice a ribbon right off the backing just by sliding it on.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: SarDragon on September 02, 2017, 09:15:07 PM
If I have to order them from Vanguard, I'll make a ribbon last as long as possible. My military ribbons are easy, I can just go to MCS and grab them.

That's part of the reason I only use plastic racks instead of metal. I've had the metal ones slice a ribbon right off the backing just by sliding it on.

It's all a matter of technique. I've wrecked exactly two ribbons on metal racks, and it was the same one - the purple and white POS that I've always had trouble with.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: capcolorguard on June 08, 2018, 05:37:27 PM
I think these were all great tips! Thank you for sharing them! I have a question though, how often would you recommend you iron your blues and ABUs?
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: Eclipse on June 08, 2018, 06:41:44 PM
Often / never.
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: SarDragon on June 10, 2018, 03:34:22 AM
Blues coats and trousers should be sent to the dry cleaners after wearing three or four times, or when they are visibly dirty.  They need to be hung up between wearing to reduce wrinkling. They shouldn't really be ironed after they have been worn. That just embeds any dirt.

I launder my shirts after each wearing, but you might get away with two or three wearings if you are really careful. I have more than one, so I'm not wearing the same shirt all the time.

Utility uniforms - wash them and hang them up immediately out of the dryer. That means they are on the hanger when they go from the wash room to the closet. No wrinkles. :)
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: kwe1009 on June 10, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
ABUs are pretty good and being wrinkle resistant.  Unless you are overloading your dryer then they should come out with no wrinkles.

Blues should really only be dry cleaned.  You can iron them if needed but never directly.  Use something like a handkerchief between the iron and the blues.

Also, the service coat is a formal dress item and not an every day wear item.  It is worn for ceremonies or things like recruiting events.  If you only wear it when it is appropriate then it will last a long time between cleanings. 
Title: Re: Uniform Tips
Post by: J2H on June 10, 2018, 06:43:24 PM
All you have to do is shake out the wrinkles and wear, that's what I used to do.  I dry clean my blues pants, tie, and cap once or twice a year, I use Dryel the rest of the time, and launder the blue shirt.