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General Discussion => Membership => Topic started by: Woodsy on September 08, 2011, 12:28:35 am

Title: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Woodsy on September 08, 2011, 12:28:35 am
Does NHQ automatically send out a new card after a promotion, or do you have to request/pay for one through E-services?  If they do, how long does it usually take? 
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: NCRblues on September 08, 2011, 12:33:47 am
Quote from: Woodsy on September 08, 2011, 12:28:35 am
Does NHQ automatically send out a new card after a promotion, or do you have to request/pay for one through E-services?  If they do, how long does it usually take?


Nope, only one per year, unless you want to buy a new one. Takes a couple weeks...
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 12:42:33 am
Are we talking cadets or seniors?

Seniors get a new one when promoted.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Woodsy on September 08, 2011, 12:46:26 am
Talking SM.  Was promoted to 2d Lt a couple weeks ago and was wondering if I need to do something to get a new card, or just wait for it to come in the mail.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: NCRblues on September 08, 2011, 12:55:08 am
Quote from: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 12:42:33 am
Are we talking cadets or seniors?

Seniors get a new one when promoted.


Senior used to get a new one when promoted. When I recently got promoted i waited and waited for a new one, so i called NHQ and asked. They told me no new cards unless i payed or re-uped...
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: SARDOC on September 08, 2011, 01:25:13 am
NCRBlues is absolutely correct.  With the Change SM's will only be issued a FREE Id Card when they renew their membership not with promotion unless the Member orders and pays for it.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 01:43:59 am
So we're supposed to walk around with an ID card with the wrong grade?

The only cards they are issuing now are the photo ones, right?
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Extremepredjudice on September 08, 2011, 01:45:30 am
Quote from: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 01:43:59 am
So we're supposed to walk around with an ID card with the wrong grade?

The only cards they are issuing now are the photo ones, right?
That will make the MPs happy. :)

Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: PHall on September 08, 2011, 01:52:43 am
Quote from: Extremepredjudice on September 08, 2011, 01:45:30 am
Quote from: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 01:43:59 am
So we're supposed to walk around with an ID card with the wrong grade?

The only cards they are issuing now are the photo ones, right?
That will make the MPs happy. :)


That's if they will accept it in the first place. ::)
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: SARDOC on September 08, 2011, 03:21:18 am
Quote from: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 01:43:59 am
So we're supposed to walk around with an ID card with the wrong grade?


Well, That's completely up to you.  CAP is only paying for the ID on Membership Renewal.  If you want one with the new grade, you have to pay for it.  Civil Air Patrol just didn't want to Budget for promotion related ID cards when the member could just wait a few more months when they renew.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: MSG Mac on September 08, 2011, 03:30:09 am
When they did issue new cards upon request, promotion, and renewal they were sending out 150K or more for a membership of 62 thousand.  Big expense when they were cardboard, much bigger expense now that they have photos, holograms, and better quality. Not to mention postal costs which are about 50 cents apiece.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: a2capt on September 08, 2011, 03:41:21 am
If I get that thin flimsy thing for the next ID card, I'm going to just stop offering it at the gate. They already have made comments about this "cheesy" card, with it's corrupt looking gif graphic on it. One asked me if I just made it. 95% of the time no one says anything anyway. But..  it's a joke.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Woodsy on September 08, 2011, 03:42:23 am
I can certainly understand the budget concerns.  I have no problem paying 3 bucks for a card, just didn't know if I needed to or if one was already on the way.  Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: NCRblues on September 08, 2011, 03:46:45 am
I have a major problem paying $3 for a flimsy worthless id card that bends in the mailbox even before I get it.

The need to fix that problem fast.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: a2capt on September 08, 2011, 03:59:24 am
Quote from: NCRblues on September 08, 2011, 03:46:45 amI have a major problem paying $3 for a flimsy worthless id card that bends in the mailbox even before I get it.
It's not worthless. Some committee determined it's worth $3  >:D  .. But we do need to solve the cheesy ID card problem.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: JC004 on September 08, 2011, 04:14:26 am
I got my bent ID card that I mentioned before.  About a week later, I got this ID card.  YES, I have a photo in e-Services and the first card had it.

(http://www.colganmarketing.com/id.jpg)
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: a2capt on September 08, 2011, 06:55:40 am
Do you *still* have it in there? Or did it get yanked because you complained about the ID card and someone turned it into "the photo is bad"? ...
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: JC004 on September 08, 2011, 07:43:39 am
It's fine.  I am going to try a new picture though.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: peter rabbit on September 08, 2011, 02:03:17 pm
If you need something with your new grade on it, what about - you can print the temporary card from eServices or the 101 from Ops Quals and put one of them with your photo ID. So far, have you had a problem with someone questioning the card because of the rank shown on it?
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 02:38:50 pm
So far I haven't had the issue, but I regularly have to go through a base gate, and the gyards are attentive enough that they sometimes question members in a CAP uniform showing a CAC with a different grade.

It's one thing to not issue a new photo card when they are always issuing a library care with a promotion, but now that they are only allowing and issuing the photo cards, they should send one when you get a bump.

They saved money on me when I did two multi years in a row.

Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: JC004 on September 08, 2011, 03:24:41 pm
Since they removed the hologram thinger and they don't have a protective sheet over the front of the card, I really think we should splurge on ID cards that don't arrive FOLDED or aren't going to make people checking IDs go "was this printed out of a laser printer?".  Other than being annoying, this could set off alarms with base security or another some such people.  Isn't that WHY WE NEED THEM?  Internally, we rarely need a photo ID.

Also, since there seems to be confusion over the issue of promotions and ID cards.  When you get a promotion, e-Services should e-mail you and say "Congratulations, sucker!  You won't be receiving an updated ID card.  Click here to order a new ID card."  I think it's a good idea and a decent solution to get the word out since it was NOT that way for many years. 

Optionally, they could add a line that says something like "Click here to feed Vanguard.  They have lots of goodies with your new rank insignia on them!"  A referral commission would go to me because it was my idea and I would donate the money to cadet encampment, flight, and NCSA scholarships. 
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 04:21:00 pm
Quote from: JC004 on September 08, 2011, 03:24:41 pmAlso, since there seems to be confusion over the issue of promotions and ID cards.  When you get a promotion, e-Services should e-mail you and say "Congratulations, sucker!  You won't be receiving an updated ID card.  Click here to order a new ID card."  I think it's a good idea and a decent solution to get the word out since it was NOT that way for many years. 


This is especially important when you consider a lot of Seniors find out they were promoted when they notice it randomly on eServices.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: lordmonar on September 08, 2011, 04:24:37 pm
You know......on actiive duty when you get promoted you have to go and get your own CAC updated.  No one reminds you.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 04:34:55 pm
Quote from: lordmonar on September 08, 2011, 04:24:37 pm
You know......on actiive duty when you get promoted you have to go and get your own CAC updated.  No one reminds you.


Yes, but the odds are you don't find out about the promotion randomly by accident, and do you have to pay for your new ID?
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: lordmonar on September 08, 2011, 04:37:34 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 04:34:55 pm
Quote from: lordmonar on September 08, 2011, 04:24:37 pm
You know......on active duty when you get promoted you have to go and get your own CAC updated.  No one reminds you.


Yes, but the odds are you don't find out about the promotion randomly by accident, and do you have to pay for your new ID?


Well......you should NEVER find out about your promotion randomly....if you do then bad on you! (unless it was a advanced promotion that they kept secret from you).

Secondly.....CAP is not a cheap endeavor.....if $3 is going to kill you (not to mention all the other costs for your uniforms) them maybe you should decline the promotion.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 05:27:25 pm
Bad on me to find out about a promotion randomly?  How about bad on the commander who doesn't pay care enough to check and call me when it comes through.

Paying for a new ID card isn't going to kill anyone, it's more a principle thing.  It is what it is. 

I'm scared to see what the Tyvek-ish thing looks like from my recent renewal.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: JC004 on September 08, 2011, 05:39:50 pm
Quote from: lordmonar on September 08, 2011, 04:24:37 pm
You know......on actiive duty when you get promoted you have to go and get your own CAC updated.  No one reminds you.


The process has changed.  That's what people need to know and that's what has to be spread in the field.

They change a lot of things that don't get to the average member, but this impacts each person.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: lordmonar on September 08, 2011, 06:14:21 pm
I agree.

The person you need to yell at is your Wing Commander.

Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: JC004 on September 08, 2011, 06:28:32 pm
I will have someone yell at him today. 
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: jimmydeanno on September 08, 2011, 06:32:43 pm
Vote for me and I'll make the membership cards free.

and raise the national dues $3.00, so y'all will quit complaining.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: JC004 on September 08, 2011, 06:42:42 pm
No elections for a while, please.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: NCRblues on September 08, 2011, 06:44:18 pm
I really do not think the compliant here is against the $3 cost. I think the main complaint is the quality, or lack of on the ID cards...
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: a2capt on September 08, 2011, 06:53:49 pm
Quoteor lack of it on the ID cards...
Fixed that for you.
Exactly. The lack of it. It's embarrassing at times, to hand over something that looks like it was made in a Six Dollar Printer. What they had before, at least had substance to it. From what this sounds like now, it's like the cheesy 'temporary' cards you peel off the paper in solicitations for memberships, credit cards, etc.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: lordmonar on September 08, 2011, 06:57:46 pm
I just got my new CAPID a few days ago......and I don't see anything wrong with the quality.

The printing is clean and clear, the photo is sharp and the layout is proffessional.

It is printed on plastic that is thinner then a credit card....but that is no different than many membership cards I get from other organisations.

Comparing my CAP ID with my military Retired ID card....the CAP ID looks more professional and is easer to read.
If you are concerned about how thin it is.....just run it through a laminator and be done with it.
I have had ZERO problems with getting onto base with it.....and I don't give a fart in a wind storm what the gate guard think about it.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Eclipse on September 08, 2011, 07:05:12 pm
What velocity wind?
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: JC004 on September 08, 2011, 07:09:24 pm
Quote from: a2capt on September 08, 2011, 06:53:49 pm
...it's like the cheesy 'temporary' cards you peel off the paper in solicitations for memberships, credit cards, etc.


That's seriously what I thought was in the envelope before I opened it.  No joke.  I thought either that or one of those cards with the phone numbers that they used to send.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: a2capt on September 08, 2011, 07:46:39 pm
Hey, the phone number card makes a great name plate backing.. and you have the phone numbers handy! :)
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Ford73Diesel on September 08, 2011, 08:37:15 pm
They new card is kind of flimsy, but I have never actually used my CAP membership card for anything. I may have used it a handful of times as a cadet, but never as a SM. I do understand some people use it all the time though.

IMHO they made the right choice by not sending them out with promotions, It saves money and at the end of the day, you really don't need grade on it anyway. Simple solution: remove grade from the card. Problem solved.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: annettecSmith on September 12, 2011, 04:02:09 am
The Public Affairs Officers should be sending out updates like this to the average members. All PAOs should take the blame on this.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: davidsinn on September 12, 2011, 04:06:19 am
Quote from: annettecSmith on September 12, 2011, 04:02:09 am
The Public Affairs Officers should be sending out updates like this to the average members. All PAOs should take the blame on this.


Bull.

This is NHQ's screwup. It is their responsibility to spread this. We have an RSS feed in eservices after all.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Spaceman3750 on September 12, 2011, 04:07:14 am
Quote from: annettecSmith on September 12, 2011, 04:02:09 am
The Public Affairs Officers should be sending out updates like this to the average members. All PAOs should take the blame on this.


Huh? ???
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: annettecSmith on September 12, 2011, 04:08:48 am
NHQ has to relay through eservices and email as well as the Wing PAOs should send updated information to changes that occur.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: SarDragon on September 12, 2011, 04:15:29 am
Would you care to try that again in something other than "genuine frontier gibberish"?
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Tim Medeiros on September 12, 2011, 04:25:52 am
here I thought Admin relayed internal communications and PA dealt with external
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: davidsinn on September 19, 2011, 05:27:55 pm
To add a little fuel to this I just got out my calipers and my wallet. My IN drivers license is .036" thick, that's 20 ga for you metal heads out there. My debit card is .030 or 22 ga. My old but still current for the next 11 days CAPID is also .030. My new ID is .019, just over half that of the old one. I think that's thinner than the aluminium Cessna uses to build airplanes. For reference, printer paper is .004 which is only 1/5 that of the new ID card.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: lordmonar on September 19, 2011, 06:19:16 pm
Quote from: davidsinn on September 19, 2011, 05:27:55 pm
To add a little fuel to this I just got out my calipers and my wallet. My IN drivers license is .036" thick, that's 20 ga for you metal heads out there. My debit card is .030 or 22 ga. My old but still current for the next 11 days CAPID is also .030. My new ID is .019, just over half that of the old one. I think that's thinner than the aluminium Cessna uses to build airplanes. For reference, printer paper is .004 which is only 1/5 that of the new ID card.

And?

I got only one quesiton about the new card....will it last the year. 
Other then that it fits the bill required of a CAP ID card.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: cap235629 on September 19, 2011, 06:20:02 pm
Quote from: davidsinn on September 19, 2011, 05:27:55 pm
To add a little fuel to this I just got out my calipers and my wallet. My IN drivers license is .036" thick, that's 20 ga for you metal heads out there. My debit card is .030 or 22 ga. My old but still current for the next 11 days CAPID is also .030. My new ID is .019, just over half that of the old one. I think that's thinner than the aluminium Cessna uses to build airplanes. For reference, printer paper is .004 which is only 1/5 that of the new ID card.



You have WAY too much time on your hands.....LOL
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: a2capt on September 19, 2011, 07:36:53 pm
He wasn't the only one.. I measured them, too. .. and just laughed. As for "will it last a year", well... We will see. :)

There's calipers on the computer desk nearly constantly here, so I can't help but measure stuff.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: davidsinn on September 19, 2011, 07:59:05 pm
Quote from: cap235629 on September 19, 2011, 06:20:02 pm
Quote from: davidsinn on September 19, 2011, 05:27:55 pm
To add a little fuel to this I just got out my calipers and my wallet. My IN drivers license is .036" thick, that's 20 ga for you metal heads out there. My debit card is .030 or 22 ga. My old but still current for the next 11 days CAPID is also .030. My new ID is .019, just over half that of the old one. I think that's thinner than the aluminium Cessna uses to build airplanes. For reference, printer paper is .004 which is only 1/5 that of the new ID card.



You have WAY too much time on your hands.....LOL


Yes I do. Victim of the economy. I also just put a new battery in them and figured I might as well do something semi useful with them.
Title: Re: new ID card after promitions?
Post by: Grumpy on September 19, 2011, 09:31:37 pm
Quote from: a2capt on September 08, 2011, 03:41:21 am
If I get that thin flimsy thing for the next ID card, I'm going to just stop offering it at the gate. They already have made comments about this "cheesy" card, with it's corrupt looking gif graphic on it. One asked me if I just made it. 95% of the time no one says anything anyway. But..  it's a joke.


A few years back I was issued a "flimsy" retired ID from Pendleton.  Got challenged a few times but told them, "You guys issued it to me".  Fortunately, Uncle Sam has decided to remove you Social Security number from the cards and that fixed the problem.  Short version, CAP isn't the only organization that issues flimsy, cheesy, cards.