A question about the flying regs: Is it OK for my dog to fly with me in a CAP plane?
I know we have flown dogs to missions, but I dont know that bringing your personal dog just because, is actually specified in the regs. I imagine it would fall under non-CAP members. Why would you?
Would your veterinarian need to witness the Form 9? :)
Quote from: Flying Pig on February 26, 2010, 12:40:01 AM
I know we have flown dogs to missions, but I dont know that bringing your personal dog just because, is actually specified in the regs. I imagine it would fall under non-CAP members. Why would you?
He's a nice dog, keeps me company, and he can fly straight and level as long he doesn't see any ducks.
Then No. CAP members cant take their dogs along for company. The only time you could transport an animal is if its for the mission. ie. transporting a search dog.
Quote from: Flying Pig on February 26, 2010, 12:56:07 AM
Then No. CAP members cant take their dogs along for company. The only time you could transport an animal is if its for the mission. ie. transporting a search dog.
I guess you could consider him a luggage. :)...nothing wrong with flying with a little luggage.
On the other hand....if you need some company....why not invite a scanner or observer with you? They can keep you company and get a little air time.
I saw a movie with Alec Baldwin in it and he brought his dog every where. He told people it was a service dog and detected magnets because he had an iron lung :) If you do take your dog flying make sure you put a crush cap on him or her with a headset.
Which one of you is PIC?
(http://captalk.net/MGalleryItem.php?id=137)
Quote from: sardak on February 26, 2010, 05:25:10 AM
Which one of you is PIC?
Well, depends on whether PIC means Pilot in Command, or Pooch in Command. ;D :P
Quote from: sardak on February 26, 2010, 05:25:10 AM
Which one of you is PIC?
(http://captalk.net/MGalleryItem.php?id=137)
That dog can't fly until he is in a Smurf Suit. ;D
Quote from: Nomex Maximus on February 26, 2010, 12:37:37 AM
A question about the flying regs: Is it OK for my dog to fly with me in a CAP plane?
Yes!
No
Quote from: Nomex Maximus on February 26, 2010, 12:37:37 AM
A question about the flying regs: Is it OK for my dog to fly with me in a CAP plane?
Is your dog occupying a seat that could be used by another pilot, a observer, a scanner or an aerial photographer to keep their currency up?
Quote from: Nomex Maximus on February 26, 2010, 12:37:37 AM
A question about the flying regs: Is it OK for my dog to fly with me in a CAP plane?
Only if he is in uniform and has his 101 Card... ;D
This thread is asking about regulations. So far I have not seen a single one cited.
Quote from: CAPR 60-1
2-1. Basic Rules.
a. CAP aircraft will be used only for official CAP business and not for personal use.
Unless you can show that flying your dog is official CAP business, then it is not allowed.
Folks, please remember that CAP flying assets exist not for our own recreation and pleasure, but in order to execute the missions of Civil Air Patrol.
Quote from: N Harmon on March 01, 2010, 01:38:03 PM
This thread is asking about regulations. So far I have not seen a single one cited.
Quote from: CAPR 60-1
2-1. Basic Rules.
a. CAP aircraft will be used only for official CAP business and not for personal use.
Unless you can show that flying your dog is official CAP business, then it is not allowed.
Folks, please remember that CAP flying assets exist not for our own recreation and pleasure, but in order to execute the missions of Civil Air Patrol.
And that regulation still does not apply.
Assume that the flight is CAP business, assume that all training needs and all extra seats are occupied, assume that the dog does not affect weight and balance.......there is no regulation that says he can't fly with it. Anymore then there is a regulation that says you can't fly with any sort of luggage.
So.....by the regs.....yes he can fly with the dog.
I interpret "only for official CAP business" to mean all aspects of the flight, including cargo, must meet a CAP business need.
Wasn't there a situation not too long ago where someone got into trouble for using a CAP vehicle to haul personal furniture even though the trip itself was CAP business?
Stuff like hauling furniture and members driving CAP vehicles to personal places of employment were happening up until 1990 when I was working ramp operations at a major FBO
This "crap" isn't new AT ALL
CAP hasn't changed....merely the playas!!!
Quote from: N Harmon on March 01, 2010, 02:58:42 PM
I interpret "only for official CAP business" to mean all aspects of the flight, including cargo, must meet a CAP business need.
Wasn't there a situation not too long ago where someone got into trouble for using a CAP vehicle to haul personal furniture even though the trip itself was CAP business?
Again....a similar but different issue.
Using a CAP for personall business (even if it were in conjunction with CAP business is wrong)....but if I were on a ground team mission and I checked in some non mission luggage in the back of van just to hold it while on the mission. What is wrong with that.
If the OP were transporting the animal somewhere that would be wrong. If he was just having him sit in the back while doing some proficiency flights.....I don't have any problem from a "personal cargo on a CAP airplane" point of view. I would maybe raise a safety/sterile cockpit issue or a weight and balance issue or even a "let's stick another scanner in that seat" issue.
I'm distracted enough when I have either one of my dogs in my car with me, I don't think putting them in a plane would be very helpful... as nice as they are.
Quote from: Marshalus on March 01, 2010, 08:35:24 PM
I'm distracted enough when I have either one of my dogs in my car with me, I don't think putting them in a plane would be very helpful... as nice as they are.
+1....but the OP asked if there was any rule against it.
I can't help but think of the Connecticut wing patch...
Since the OP obviously wants to try to stretch regulations to take their dog, I don't feel any compunction about stretching regulations to say why it is not allowable and why they would face as much adverse action for doing so that I could gin up if I was the commander.
1. Transporting your dog is not official CAP business (60-1, 2-1-a).
2. As an "occupant", you better figure out how to get that dog into the waist and shoulder harness (60-1, 2-1-g)
3. The dog does not meet the requirements to be a "passenger" on board a CAP aircraft (60-1, 2-3) and won't be able to sign a release (60-1,2-3-b)
Keep in mind that CAP doesn't say that you have to be human to be an occupant or passenger, so you can certainly say that the rules apply to any living animal.
And most critically, I would dig up any other regulations I could regarding mis-use of corporate property that I could find and throw that in the mix and get the IG involved since this is certainly abuse and waste.
Why waste? Carrying that dog causes more fuel/oil to be used than would otherwise be the case. So, it may not amount to a lot of waste and abuse in purely monetary terms, but it is there.