Dear NHQ,
Thank you.
(PS> We love ORMS, too...)
https://www.capnhq.gov/news/news02Feb10.htm
The new version of Operations Qualifications has been released.
Notable new features include:
Look and feel updated with a more responsive user interface. Less screen refreshes.
Every member will have access to any member's information. If they do not have permissions to edit the information, it will be read-only.
You do not have to download the font for the 101 Card barcode to show.
You can now uploaded ES and Pilot documents.
If you hover over any item in OPS Quals it will provide you with information (i.e. who validated/approved it, date it was validated/approved, etc.).
Real-time FRO Support Report.
I just checked it out....one intresting thing I noticed....if you are GTM1 rated GTM 2 and GTM 3 do not show on your 101.....but they still show as active in the single entry area.
One thing that I have noticed is that my FEMA courses no longer show up on the 101 card.
We seem to have had all of our trainee ratings disappear...no idea why.
+ 1
Also Trainee Status is no longer indicated
Quote from: JROB on February 03, 2010, 05:41:18 AM
Also Trainee Status is no longer indicated
I'd look into that closer my Trainee status forCERT still shows up.
The system is a nice change. Instead of having to sing off on each task, now I can just say "yes" on the overall validation. I do like the disclaimer that was added as well. Too many people just "click" approve when it comes across their screens.
Operations report module is still down too.
Now if only TXWG would let us use it.
Quote from: jeders on February 03, 2010, 04:02:53 PM
Now if only TXWG would let us use it.
What other choice is there? The WMU removed the ability to upgrade 101 cards about 2 months ago, so by default it
can't be used to track ES.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 03, 2010, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: jeders on February 03, 2010, 04:02:53 PM
Now if only TXWG would let us use it.
What other choice is there? The WMU removed the ability to upgrade 101 cards about 2 months ago, so by default it
can't be used to track ES.
Not only that, if National were to come and inspect records eServices is the only system they would use.
QuoteI just checked it out....one intresting thing I noticed....if you are GTM1 rated GTM 2 and GTM 3 do not show on your 101.....but they still show as active in the single entry area.
From the fine print at the top of the page showing your 101 card "Only the highest level of qaulifications with multiple levels is shown (IC1, IC2 and IC3 will show up as IC1 only)."
Mike
Did anyone figure out why the trainee status was removed? The trainee status does not show up on the 101 card or on the single Person Achievement.
Just got a "runtime server" error after logginf in. They have issues .
We had problems getting the correct dates to show in several renewals. It kept wanting to put in the current date, not the date the renewal took place. It also seems to handle a renewal like a new achievement instead of a renewal.
I do like how it shows who did the training and approval.
Quote from: Short Field on February 03, 2010, 07:01:29 PM
I do like how it shows who did the training and approval.
I noticed for my SET training that Johnnie Doe approved it. 8)
Quote from: Eclipse on February 03, 2010, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: jeders on February 03, 2010, 04:02:53 PM
Now if only TXWG would let us use it.
What other choice is there? The WMU removed the ability to upgrade 101 cards about 2 months ago, so by default it
can't be used to track ES.
Only the Wing Commander and his henchmen, err staff, are allowed to enter data into eServices (by nationally approved supplements). Those of us below wing have to submit the outdated, never gonna be updated paper SQTRs to wing in order to get qual'd.
Quote from: jeders on February 03, 2010, 08:11:38 PM
Only the Wing Commander and his henchmen, err staff, are allowed to enter data into eServices (by nationally approved supplements). Those of us below wing have to submit the outdated, never gonna be updated paper SQTRs to wing in order to get qual'd.
Not sure where you're getting that information from. Group IV is all submitting it into eServices (which has to be approved at group and wing level anyway). That sounds like someone at your squadron has been misinformed.
Quote from: McLarty on February 03, 2010, 08:27:04 PM
Quote from: jeders on February 03, 2010, 08:11:38 PM
Only the Wing Commander and his henchmen, err staff, are allowed to enter data into eServices (by nationally approved supplements). Those of us below wing have to submit the outdated, never gonna be updated paper SQTRs to wing in order to get qual'd.
Not sure where you're getting that information from. Group IV is all submitting it into eServices (which has to be approved at group and wing level anyway). That sounds like someone at your squadron has been misinformed.
To say the least. Members are supposed to enter their own tasking and quals for approval by unit staff and up. I can't imagine
NHQ would approve a supplement that handcuffs operations like that.
Here's the supplement, and that's not what it says:
http://www.txwgcap.org/wing_publications/RegSupsTXWG/TXWG_Sup_1_603_17_Apr_07.pdf
Hmmm ... it does say renewals will get sent on paper to DOS. That's interesting.
Quote from: McLarty on February 03, 2010, 08:57:19 PM
Hmmm ... it does say renewals will get sent on paper to DOS. That's interesting.
Yeah, I saw that too. Frankly I read it about 4 times and couldn't make sense of what they are trying to accomplish there. TX is a pretty big wing to try and hand-hold quals at the wing level.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 03, 2010, 09:35:13 PM
Yeah, I saw that too. Frankly I read it about 4 times and couldn't make sense of what they are trying to accomplish there. TX is a pretty big wing to try and hand-hold quals at the wing level.
I honestly haven't had a renewal since OPSQUAL was put into use (breaks in CAP service, etc.). What happens during the renewal process, you go in and replace the two mission participations and resubmit for approval before the expiration date?
Basically.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 03, 2010, 09:41:12 PM
Basically.
Sounds like an even better auditing process than signing an SQTR and mailing it straight to wing (which then creates a paper backlog at wing before the renewal gets updated). I'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish either.
On another note -- any word on when NHQ is going to integrate evaluators into OPSQUAL? The biggest gripe right now within TXWG that has everyone suffering heartburn is that the SET list is maintained in an Excel spreadsheet that never gets updated (current list is dated 1 Jan 2009), and if you're not on that list you can't sign off any tasks or mission participation -- so now we have trainees fixin' to lapse on their trainee status.
Quote from: McLarty on February 03, 2010, 09:38:22 PM
What happens during the renewal process, you go in and replace the two mission participations and resubmit for approval before the expiration date?
Why two missions? And it shouldn't just be mission participation but an actual evaluation conducted using the task guide on a mission by a SET qualified evaluator.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 03, 2010, 08:44:39 PM
Quote from: McLarty on February 03, 2010, 08:27:04 PM
Quote from: jeders on February 03, 2010, 08:11:38 PM
Only the Wing Commander and his henchmen, err staff, are allowed to enter data into eServices (by nationally approved supplements). Those of us below wing have to submit the outdated, never gonna be updated paper SQTRs to wing in order to get qual'd.
Not sure where you're getting that information from. Group IV is all submitting it into eServices (which has to be approved at group and wing level anyway). That sounds like someone at your squadron has been misinformed.
Here's the supplement, and that's not what it says:
http://www.txwgcap.org/wing_publications/RegSupsTXWG/TXWG_Sup_1_603_17_Apr_07.pdf
CAPR 60-03 has been changed since 2007, which would make all supplements approved prior to the current release null and void. TXWG has to resubmit the supplement and get all new approvals.
Quote from: Who_knows? on February 03, 2010, 10:07:14 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on February 03, 2010, 08:44:39 PM
Quote from: McLarty on February 03, 2010, 08:27:04 PM
Quote from: jeders on February 03, 2010, 08:11:38 PM
Only the Wing Commander and his henchmen, err staff, are allowed to enter data into eServices (by nationally approved supplements). Those of us below wing have to submit the outdated, never gonna be updated paper SQTRs to wing in order to get qual'd.
Not sure where you're getting that information from. Group IV is all submitting it into eServices (which has to be approved at group and wing level anyway). That sounds like someone at your squadron has been misinformed.
Here's the supplement, and that's not what it says:
http://www.txwgcap.org/wing_publications/RegSupsTXWG/TXWG_Sup_1_603_17_Apr_07.pdf
CAPR 60-03 has been changed since 2007, which would make all supplements approved prior to the current release null and void. TXWG has to resubmit the supplement and get all new approvals.
It was re-approved the day after the new 60-3.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 03, 2010, 09:35:13 PM
Quote from: McLarty on February 03, 2010, 08:57:19 PM
Hmmm ... it does say renewals will get sent on paper to DOS. That's interesting.
Yeah, I saw that too. Frankly I read it about 4 times and couldn't make sense of what they are trying to accomplish there. TX is a pretty big wing to try and hand-hold quals at the wing level.
I'm not usually one to spread rumors and innuendo, so I won't. But what it comes down to is that the Wing CC all but fails at being a commander and wants to micromanage everything.
But back to the main topic, I'm really liking what NHQ is starting to come out with on eServices and I hope they keep it up.
Quote from: Short Field on February 03, 2010, 09:58:30 PM
Why two missions? And it shouldn't just be mission participation but an actual evaluation conducted using the task guide on a mission by a SET qualified evaluator.
That's why I asked ... I wasn't sure how OpsQuals handles renewals.
The ops quals module is a vast improvement. Great job, IT guys.
I tried to renew a member's quals and it acted like it was a new achievement instead of a renewal. If there is a button or selection option available to do a renewal, I have not been able to find it.
Under the old Ops Quals, you would update a few tasks on the SQTR (since you are suppose to review a few tasks) and put in the mission number and date of the renewal mission. Some SQTRs had text on one of the missions to enter a renewal, others did not. Then you had to go to Single Entry and select the achievement. You had the option of identifying it as initial or a renewal.
I think this is just a few gliches (IT technical term) that need to be cleaned up. I like the changes overall.
It spells out your situation in the disclaimer and instructions sections.
Quote from: jeders on February 03, 2010, 11:04:18 PM
I'm not usually one to spread rumors and innuendo, so I won't. But what it comes down to is that the Wing CC all but fails at being a commander and wants to micromanage everything.
You do realize you're not anonymous, here, right?
Just got the word there is a glitch in the system that is being fixed. For a renewal, the member can go to Single Person Achievement and input a date. The system knows if it is a renewal or an initial one and will process it properly.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 03, 2010, 09:35:13 PM
Quote from: McLarty on February 03, 2010, 08:57:19 PM
Hmmm ... it does say renewals will get sent on paper to DOS. That's interesting.
Yeah, I saw that too. Frankly I read it about 4 times and couldn't make sense of what they are trying to accomplish there. TX is a pretty big wing to try and hand-hold quals at the wing level.
Probably similar to FLWG - designed to counter pencilwhipping. In FLWG, each approver at each echelon must review/retain copies of SQTRs, although they can be scanned/emailed.
Does it really matter whether its pencil-whipping or "bit-whipping®"?
Whether on an SQTR or eServices, all you have to go by is the date, time, and CAPID, anyway.
(Note: bit-whipping, web-whipping, and net-whipping are Registered Trademarks of Eclipsuhatsu Mining Consortium and Manufacturing Cooperative, all rights reserved.)
But this keeps a paper trail alive in the event that investigation of a qualification is warranted.
It's really just a way to help keep honest people honest by reminding them that the paper they completed is being retained.
IIWIC, the SQTR would also have a signature block next to each task for the evaluator to sign; and when your CAPID is entered as the evaluator in Ops Quals, you'd get an email informing you - so that if you did NOT sign off on that task(s), you could address it. Right now, there's none of that.
Quote from: JoeTomasone on February 04, 2010, 06:31:23 AM
IIWIC, the SQTR would also have a signature block next to each task for the evaluator to sign; and when your CAPID is entered as the evaluator in Ops Quals, you'd get an email informing you - so that if you did NOT sign off on that task(s), you could address it. Right now, there's none of that.
That's exactly what we need. Frankly I was aghast the first time I realized that neither the WMU nor eServices does that level of cross check.
It should validate that the person was SET qualified in that specialty on the date indicated, and then the email approval as mentioned.
Quote from: JoeTomasone on February 04, 2010, 06:31:23 AM
It's really just a way to help keep honest people honest by reminding them that the paper they completed is being retained.
So much for a paperless CAP.
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on February 04, 2010, 06:49:13 AM
Quote from: JoeTomasone on February 04, 2010, 06:31:23 AM
It's really just a way to help keep honest people honest by reminding them that the paper they completed is being retained.
So much for a paperless CAP.
Well, OK, if you're asking how I would do it paperlessly:
1. Member is evaluated on a task.
2. Member inputs date of evaluation and CAPID of evaluator into OpsQuals
3. Evaluator gets an eServices request to approve tasks. This confirms that the evaluator did perform the evaluation.
4. When all tasks are complete, unit ES Officer approves, and it goes to Group/Wing as it does now.
If there is ever a question as to the skill set of the member, the CAPID of the person evaluating the member is on file and confimed by that person.
If the evaluator does not approve the task (meaning that they did not evaluate the member or that the member did not pass), then an email is sent to the evaluator, member, member's unit CC, and the unit and higher echelon ES Officer - and the member can be questioned as to why they made the Ops Quals entry.
This procedure would:
1. Put positive confirmation on who evaluated each task, therefore providing accountability.
2. Eliminate the need for the SQTR (unless the member wanted to track qualification progress, but it would not be required)
3. Speed up the approval process by eliminating the evaluation checks at each echelon
4. Prevent the possibility of "phantom approvals" where a unit ES officer colludes with a member and merely approves the SQTR that may have been filled out with completely random CAPIDs.
Quote from: JROB on February 03, 2010, 05:41:18 AM
Also Trainee Status is no longer indicated
Trainee Status is on 101 and when entering Single Person.....
Just noticed that "Missing NIMS Quals"report is all messed up. All my ICS stuff is gone, and so is almost everyones in the Wing.
Mine is there in the single-person, and interestingly it says the WMU is the source for most data.
The reports module says its down for maintenance.