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Title: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: FARRIER on January 03, 2010, 05:16:16 AM
http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,207726,00.html?ESRC=dod-bz.nl

Aviation Week's DTI | David A. Fulghum | December 17, 2009
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: Senior on January 04, 2010, 10:48:57 PM
Use the ISR platform to take down the integrated systems then allow
more conventional bomb droppers to follow in a war, just a thought. ;) 
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: JoeTomasone on January 06, 2010, 11:10:29 AM
For a second there, I really wanted to know why a new bomber would be focusing on this:
(http://www.b-kelectric.com/images/4008asm.gif)

>:D
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: Senior on January 07, 2010, 10:40:18 PM
Joe T.  You are funny!!!!!!!!!!! LOL, ;D :D
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: CadetProgramGuy on January 08, 2010, 05:18:32 AM
That was my first thought as well......Now I understand it is Intelligence, Surveillance, Recon
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on January 08, 2010, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on January 08, 2010, 05:18:32 AM
That was my first thought as well......Now I understand it is Intelligence, Surveillance, Recon

Which doesn't really make it a Bomber, eh?
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: PHall on January 08, 2010, 07:19:40 PM
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on January 08, 2010, 01:18:54 PM
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on January 08, 2010, 05:18:32 AM
That was my first thought as well......Now I understand it is Intelligence, Surveillance, Recon

Which doesn't really make it a Bomber, eh?

If it still has a weapons bay, then it's still a bomber.

The B-52 can or has done all of those missions, and it's still a "Bomber".
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: Flying Pig on January 08, 2010, 07:25:08 PM
They used the B-52 for damage assessment flights after Katrina.
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: SarDragon on January 09, 2010, 03:21:07 AM
And the Navy A-5, designed to drop bombs, was ultimately used exclusively for what we are now calling ISR.
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: Senior on January 10, 2010, 10:56:09 PM
I see this as a revision in design.  Scale back the size from a B-2, but large enough to hold enough fuel to be intercontinental. Large enough to carry smart bombs(to blow targets up, to carry loitering
smarter stay behind hunter/killer packages, and to carry weapons that take down electronic networks and electronic infrastructure).
Right now the B-2 carries the J-DAM that can target 16 independent
targets simultaneously.  I assume a weapons bay could evently carry
directed energy weapons (microwave? or lasers?) the article alludes to this type of weapon in the future.  Just a new way to still kill the
bag guy.  No one ever really wins in war.
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: SarDragon on January 11, 2010, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: Senior on January 10, 2010, 10:56:09 PM
I see this as a revision in design.  Scale back the size from a B-2, but large enough to hold enough fuel to be intercontinental. Large enough to carry smart bombs(to blow targets up, to carry loitering
smarter stay behind hunter/killer packages, and to carry weapons that take down electronic networks and electronic infrastructure).
Right now the B-2 carries the J-DAM that can target 16 independent targets simultaneously.  I assume a weapons bay could evently carry
directed energy weapons (microwave? or lasers?) the article alludes to this type of weapon in the future.  Just a new way to still kill the
bag guy.  No one ever really wins in war.

Oh, really? When did it acquire that capacity? That's pretty impressive for a modified gravity bomb. More here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Direct_Attack_Munition) and here (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/jdam.htm).
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: PHall on January 11, 2010, 01:08:20 AM
Quote from: SarDragon on January 11, 2010, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: Senior on January 10, 2010, 10:56:09 PM
I see this as a revision in design.  Scale back the size from a B-2, but large enough to hold enough fuel to be intercontinental. Large enough to carry smart bombs(to blow targets up, to carry loitering
smarter stay behind hunter/killer packages, and to carry weapons that take down electronic networks and electronic infrastructure).
Right now the B-2 carries the J-DAM that can target 16 independent targets simultaneously.  I assume a weapons bay could evently carry
directed energy weapons (microwave? or lasers?) the article alludes to this type of weapon in the future.  Just a new way to still kill the
bag guy.  No one ever really wins in war.

Oh, really? When did it acquire that capacity? That's pretty impressive for a modified gravity bomb. More here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Direct_Attack_Munition) and here (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/jdam.htm).

16 bombs, 16 seperate targets, no problem.  Being precision guided weapons it's pretty much 1 bomb per target.
Unless the target is so big that a single 2000 poumb won't do the job.
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: SarDragon on January 11, 2010, 01:31:29 AM
But that's not how he stated it. He made it sound more like a MIRV - one munition with 16 explosive sub-units.
Title: Re: New Bomber to Focus Heavily on ISR
Post by: Senior on January 24, 2010, 04:04:05 AM
PHall thanks for interpreting my statement about the J-DAM.
One bomb per target.  A 2000lb bomb will really mess up your day. :'(