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Title: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: RiverAux on November 04, 2009, 11:05:54 PM
This document was apparently presented at the winter 2009 national board, but I just came across it on the CAP web site.  Believe it or not, this well-hidden document are the long term objectives and goals for CAP:

http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Long_Term_Objectives_Draft_A59DFFA451BD4.pdf

Might want to save a copy as they might take it down to make way for the NEC.  By the way, this page has links to several of the briefings, including one from the historian that may be of interest, though they are sort of old news now.  http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/events/2009_cap_winter_national_board/index.cfm
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: JC004 on November 04, 2009, 11:40:44 PM
"f) (NS) Simplify the uniform combinations"

hmm...
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: Pingree1492 on November 05, 2009, 12:02:52 AM
These are all for the last fiscal year.  It would be interesting to 1) see the final version of this document and 2) see how National felt they did with all of the goals- what were the results?
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: JC004 on November 05, 2009, 12:17:45 AM
They may been too busy working on the old policy, which is "The ship is sinking. Let's rearrange the deck chairs."

New patch, ribbon, or nameplate?  You got it.  Strategic planning?  Let's not get crazy.
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: Nick on November 05, 2009, 03:04:43 AM
QuoteConduct 2 Incident Command System Train The Trainer courses for CAP members with the DHS/FEMA Emergency Management Institute in order to facilitate NIMS compliance

So here's a question from the peanut gallery that's been out of the CAP ES training program for a while ...

What is the requirement to be an ICS-300/400 trainer for CAP?  Must you take E-449 from EMI?  Is a state equivalent acceptable?  Is there any requirement at all?
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: heliodoc on November 05, 2009, 03:20:00 AM
^^

Apparently so, CPT McLarty

Says so on the EMI website or at least Googling ICS 300 TTT

Rumor out there is that students outside of paid Gov operations (such as CAP) pay out of pocket up front...
Air Fare, room at EMI, and food service for 3 squares and MAYBE reimbursable back to member thru the EMA

This a rumor.... facts need to be checked with Wings I would imagine

That is a approx 1100 dinero up front cost to individual CAP member....How's that for support from NHQ ES support?  Hope CAP starts issuing out the training chits and dinero.

I am checking with my State EMA I should have an answer tomorrow

BUT the possibility exists...E449 to teach ICS 300/400...It's ALLLLL about the credentialing in the real world...a thing CAP out to start facing if they think they can teach this stuff and it will have the Federal reqs to teach it.  I would imagine CAP will HAVE to adopt to THOSE standards if credit is to be recieved and grant funding in the future

If that is the case, here's more proof that CAP had better start playing and supporting other missions and not just CAP's ES missions if they want to play with the Big Dogs.
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: arajca on November 05, 2009, 03:26:54 AM
Having attended several EMI courses (incl. E449) as a CAP member, you pay for airfare up front and meals. After you complete the course, FEMA reimburses your airfare. You are still responsible fo rmeals (~$100 for the week).

Unless FEMA has changed its policy in the past year.
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: heliodoc on November 05, 2009, 03:29:18 AM
Thanks, Andrew

Thought I was pretty close in the info....
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: arajca on November 05, 2009, 05:03:31 AM
Forgot...
Cost of course itself = $0.00
Cost of room = $0.00
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: Hawk200 on November 05, 2009, 05:30:15 AM
Any idea where the additional NESA training center might be located?

And does anyone know anything much about the "Starbase" program? Saw a large banner for it at McEntire, but no one knew anything about it. From what I've looked at on the web, it seems to basically field trips to military installations.

PSA's seem like a good idea, surprised they haven't been done before.

And any word on what the intent is of simplifying uniform combinations?
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: Eclipse on November 05, 2009, 06:35:47 AM
Quote from: McLarty on November 05, 2009, 03:04:43 AM
QuoteConduct 2 Incident Command System Train The Trainer courses for CAP members with the DHS/FEMA Emergency Management Institute in order to facilitate NIMS compliance

So here's a question from the peanut gallery that's been out of the CAP ES training program for a while ...

What is the requirement to be an ICS-300/400 trainer for CAP?  Must you take E-449 from EMI?  Is a state equivalent acceptable?  Is there any requirement at all?

The CDP offers both student and instructor-level classes at no cost to the participant, including airfare, billeting, and meals.  CAP is a welcome participant as long as your state's training director (gov't, not CAP) approves participation.

We've already had people there and back, and I keep forgetting to sign up for 400.
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: JC004 on November 05, 2009, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: Hawk200 on November 05, 2009, 05:30:15 AM
And any word on what the intent is of simplifying uniform combinations?

to make them uniform?  ;)  >:D
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: Nick on November 05, 2009, 03:02:37 PM
Quote from: arajca on November 05, 2009, 05:03:31 AM
Forgot...
Cost of course itself = $0.00
Cost of room = $0.00

You also forgot the cost of taking time off from your paying job.
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: RiverAux on November 05, 2009, 11:06:27 PM
Ok, I've actually had time to read this thing...

1.  Agree with Pingree that this really seems to be a short term plan.

2.  Not sure why putting a flight release module in WMIRs or completing the narrowband transition will have any impact on public trust or accountability. 

3.  I wonder what these "Partnership Accountability Reports" will look like. 

4.  The Blue Force tracking system could be neat. 

5.   Looks like we're looking to update ARHCER (getting upgraded HSI equipment).  Still not sure this is a great investment. 

6.  Want to increase cadet use in mission base by 15% and on ground teams by 20%.  Having cadets participate on ground teams is by far our least problem.  The biggest problem is not having enough qualified SENIOR members for GTs. 

7.  An overall increase in cadet membership of 10% is way too low of a goal.  ''

8.  The goal of having more senior members with cadet experience is interesting. 

9.  Not terribly impressed with their strategies for making our seniors the best trained volunteer leaders in the US.  Pretty skimpy. 

10.  The "Starbase" program brought up in a previous thread is something that many National Guards do as a youth program. 

11/  They want to increase the number of press releases going out to the media on the local level by 20%.  If they want to document, I see the return of mandatory reports from each wing that were eliminated a few years ago.
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: Gunner C on November 15, 2009, 12:11:24 AM
The current HSI equipment, as discussed before, is a prototype system.  There's a couple of problems that needed to be addressed technically.  One of those was the usable light spectrum.  In order to prevent large number false positives.  Extending the spectrum farther into IR is what I've heard is being done.  But even with that, training is the biggest problem.  IOT stay "currrent" all that's required is one air mission and two ground station missions per year.  That's woefully inadequate.  The biggest reason targets don't get picked up is that operators forget how to set up the controls.  Therein lies the art of ARCHER and HSI.
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: Capt Rivera on November 16, 2009, 01:01:35 AM
QuoteWant to increase cadet use in mission base by 15% and on ground teams by 20%.

The biggest hindrance we have with cadets participating is getting through GES and especially the ICS courses.  We have to provide small group teaching to get the information across for them to test and pass. We don't provide assistance with the test, they must pass of their own merit, this is difficult for many cadets.

We have been successful teaching groups of 3 or 4... more then that and every cadet failed... Huge time consumption....

Do cadets below 18 really need to pass the ICS courses or could we develop something more to their level of understanding and participation?
Title: Re: CAP's long-term objectives - draft document
Post by: RADIOMAN015 on November 27, 2009, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: RiverAux on November 04, 2009, 11:05:54 PM
This document was apparently presented at the winter 2009 national board, but I just came across it on the CAP web site.  Believe it or not, this well-hidden document are the long term objectives and goals for CAP:

http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Long_Term_Objectives_Draft_A59DFFA451BD4.pdf

Looking at the various AF Regulations pertaining to the management of CAP, actually the Board of Governors is also charged with setting CAP's Long Term Objectives.   The reference above is for FY 09 and not FY10.  Also Long Term by definition would be greater than 1 year.  Does CAP have a five year plan?   Also this reference appears to be related more to what National Headquarters can achieve, with little input from the volunteer force (other than to show up for the training ;)  ).

In my two+ years of CAP membership I don't recall any letters or briefings regarding CAP's long term objectives & goals.    At least it wasn't labeled that way in any briefing!!!

Since CAP is structured like the military chain of command, one would expect some sort of objectives being established, and subordinate units working towards those goals established.

Typical I would think our goals would be:  Increased public awareness of about CAP.   Increasing "quality" "active" membership.  Retaining "quality" members.  Increasing Mission Support to the Air Force (by both air & ground forces) & to other federal & state agencies.    Improved effective usage of equipment provided (e.g. radio equipment, aircraft, vehicles).  Continue to "streamline" effective training methods for the membership.
RM