I understand why a background check needs to be done. Believe me, I have nothing to hide. But, I got thinking about something though. I am a current pilot and a holder of my state's highest level firearms license. My figerprints are on file with the town/state/FBI because of the permit, and my driving records are with the FAA. So, if CAP is a "government" outfit, why can't they just go and consult the outfits that already have that information on file?
Unfortunately the systems are not that organized. Many of us have had literally dozens of background checks. Even within the world of secret and top secret clearances there are different agencies with different checks very few of which talk to each other. I know that HLS does not always communicate well with DOD.
CAP NHQ is in the same building as AFROTC. The fact the ROTC has you prints / background check does not cover it either.
Well, even if they could, they would still want a new set of fingerprints to make sure that the person presenting themselves to CAP is the same person that those other checks were run on.
Additionally, who knows what kind of mischief you might have got in since the last time someone did a check on you?
Quote from: RiverAux on September 18, 2009, 03:22:33 PM
Additionally, who knows what kind of mischief you might have got in sense the last time someone did a check on you?
Especially with a car, airplane and a gun! ;D
Bottom Line: Left hand doesn't know what the Right hand's doing.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Big Borther doesn't have it together that much yet. So everyone does their own backgrounds.
The day it all comes together is when SkyNet takes over. :o
I had the same problem. I am a Governing Board member of our local school district and have been finger printed by the state and federal goverment but unfortunately the systems are not that organized.
Ive worked for 3 separate law enforcement agencies. Each time I had to submit a separate fingerprint card when I got hired on. When you fill out a fingerprint card, you also sign it as well as the person certifying that those prints ACTUALLY came from you.
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You have smeared the reputation of a fellow Civil Air Patrol member, in a public forum, based on rumor or innuendo? Perhaps a review of Core Values is in order.
You would think that someone so up to date on other people's backgrounds that he would risk Libel, would at least be able to spell.....If you have an issue like this, you go through the chain of command. You are way, way, out of bounds.
Major Lord
believe what you want you want, oh i'm not a member anymore,
Even if that is true it is none of your business to be posting it on a public forum. In fact I believe publicly accusing a member of something like that should be grounds for dismissal from CAP.
again i'm not a member, i'm looking out for the safety of the of the CAP cadets
Quote from: bricktonfire on October 16, 2009, 10:33:41 PM
Subject to being waived by the Executive Director or National Commander, any one of the following may be the basis for rejection of membership.
How do you know it wasn't waived? I know of other senior SMs who have felonies they picked up after joining that are still members. Each case is adjudicated on its own merits.
he covered it up, and would u waiver soem one who was charged with DWI
Not my call. National has the decision on it.
Would I waive someone? Depends on the case. I know people that have had a DWI in the past that I do not consider a threat to anyone today. Each case is different based on the specific facts.
he did it in the past 5 year
Quote from: bricktonfire on October 16, 2009, 11:12:08 PM
he covered it up, and would u waiver soem one who was charged with DWI
Depends on how long ago these alleged DWI's occured. Has he enrolled in a diversion program. WAs there any injuries as a result?
I would seriously reconsider granting a CAP drivers license, but membership termination?-Only if he intentionally covered up the charges and as stated earlier the background check does catch people. Though I do wish they would reverify every 5 years or so.
Quote from: bricktonfire on October 16, 2009, 11:07:26 PM
again i'm not a member, i'm looking out for the safety of the of the CAP cadets
So have you brought this up to the applicable Wing Headquarters? Or do you have a personal reason for airing this in public?
not yet it will be
Cody,
I am disappointed that your time as a cadet did not teach you what we had hoped it would.
You should be ashamed.
Ned Lee
No i'm not Ashamed, i use to love the Civil Air Patrol but now i'm being told that my old squadron is saying [mess] about me,and now i find out the one person i thought i could of trust was Charged with DWI, i use to get rides to the Air National Guard Base with him, wow he Should be Ashamed for being Charged with it and then Covering it
from wht i see he's just like everyone else who has been Charged with it,
Why are we even discussing this? We as a discussion should ignore this thread and this past cadet. Do not humor him! What a disgraceful thing to do to someone on a publicly accessible discussion board.
What Ever Don't Belive me... its True like it or not
From your profile, there's a little picture of security forces things. If you are a cop, you should know better than to do something like this! SHAME....lock this thread please.
Quote from: bricktonfire on October 17, 2009, 12:16:57 AM
No i'm not Ashamed, i use to love the Civil Air Patrol but now i'm being told that my old squadron is saying [mess] about me
Get over it son! The fact that people are saying things about you behind your back should be a strong indication of the type of person you are, and the impression you give. Airing someone elses dirty laundry is not your call. It's between the accused member, and the appropriate personnel within CAP. You are not only out of bounds, but your actions merit the gossip going on behind your back.
Quote from: NCRblues on October 17, 2009, 12:32:47 AM
From your profile, there's a little picture of security forces things. If you are a cop, you should know better than to do something like this! SHAME....lock this thread please.
Oh, if he really is a security forces member then he and I should have a really good, one-sided conversation about the law enforcement professional that discloses someone else's alleged criminal history in public... really soon.
Quote from: McLarty on October 17, 2009, 12:42:30 AM
Quote from: NCRblues on October 17, 2009, 12:32:47 AM
From your profile, there's a little picture of security forces things. If you are a cop, you should know better than to do something like this! SHAME....lock this thread please.
Oh, if he really is a security forces member then he and I should have a really good, one-sided conversation about the law enforcement professional that discloses someone else's alleged criminal history in public... really soon.
Don't worry, Nick, I think the professional reputation of the Security Forces shall remain untarnished by this individual.
Judging by the posting behavior, spelling and overall lack of grammar (sorry, not being a grammar nazi, just a bystander), I'd say "former cadet in the last 3 years" and not AF.
Meh. Whatever.
Thread locked pending review.
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