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Title: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: rjfoxx on September 13, 2009, 12:05:17 AM
39-1 shows the AF blue windbreaker with the blues and I have seen comments saying that the Army style black windbreaker is also correct.  I am fairly new to CAP and have not purchased all my uniforms yet.  Do we wear blue with blues and black with the greys?
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Thom on September 13, 2009, 12:09:59 AM
Quote from: rjfoxx on September 13, 2009, 12:05:17 AM
39-1 shows the AF blue windbreaker with the blues and I have seen comments saying that the Army style black windbreaker is also correct.  I am fairly new to CAP and have not purchased all my uniforms yet.  Do we wear blue with blues and black with the greys?

You'll need all the ICLs to complement the CAPM 39-1 to get the whole picture.  And, even then...

Anyway, as far as I know, here is how it works:

AF Blues = Blue Windbreaker

CSU (Blue & White Corporate Uniform) = Black Windbreaker

Corporate Distinctive (White & Gray) = Any Civilian Outergarments

Anyone have any additions or corrections?

Thom Hamilton
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: AlphaSigOU on September 13, 2009, 02:43:12 AM
Lt Hamilton is correct.

AF blue windbreaker on blues.

Black Army officer windbreaker (with knit collar and epaulets - the enlisted version has a collar, similar to the AF style; I don't believe it has epaulets) on corporate-style blues.

Any conservative civilian outergarment with the grays.
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Eclipse on September 13, 2009, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on September 13, 2009, 02:43:12 AM
Lt Hamilton is correct.

AF blue windbreaker on blues.

Black Army officer windbreaker (with knit collar and epaulets - the enlisted version has a collar, similar to the AF style; I don't believe it has epaulets) on corporate-style blues.

Any conservative civilian outergarment with the grays.

Correct.  The Naval officer jacket is the same cut and style, so if you happen to be near a NAVex or find a navy jacket on eBay, you're ok there.
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Chief2009 on September 14, 2009, 03:05:29 AM
Ooo, good to know Eclipse, thanks.

DN
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: scooter on September 14, 2009, 02:42:41 PM
Just another example of too many uniforms/combination s. :(
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Eclipse on September 14, 2009, 02:56:11 PM
Quote from: scooter on September 14, 2009, 02:42:41 PM
Just another example of too many uniforms/combination s.

How do you figure?  Those wearing the CSU should just be chilly in the fall and winter?
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: RiverAux on September 14, 2009, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on September 14, 2009, 02:56:11 PM
Those wearing the CSU should just be chilly in the fall and winter?
They should have enough extra blubber to keep them warm  >:D

JUST KIDDING!
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: billford1 on September 15, 2009, 01:28:28 AM
For the gray slack uniform it's any civilian outer garment and the AF Blue Gabardine Sweater which although it's not a windbreaker it is warm and has epaulets.
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: BuckeyeDEJ on September 15, 2009, 01:44:24 AM
Easy rule to keep in mind:

If it's the Air Force uniform, you wear only Air Force-approved uniform items. Only the insignia is different (and at that, there's a couple of things the same — the U.S., the service-coat nametag and the chaplaincy insignias).

If it's the CSU, you wear Army-black outergarments. (My advice to anyone who'd consider the CSU: Don't spend a lot of money on it, especially since CAP can diddle with it at the drop of a hat.)

If it's the white-and-gray CAP civilian combination, it's whatever you want it to be. Believe it or not, it's the most consistent non-Air Force uniform we have available.
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Airrace on September 15, 2009, 02:44:10 AM
Check this jacket out on E-bay. I have bought several from him as he has different sizes. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/JACKET-MANS-LIGHTWEIGHT-BLUE-W-LINER-MILITARY-USED-40R_W0QQitemZ390055860455QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad12418e7&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Eclipse on September 15, 2009, 02:49:48 AM
Quote from: Airrace on September 15, 2009, 02:44:10 AM
Check this jacket out on E-bay. I have bought several from him as he has different sizes. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/JACKET-MANS-LIGHTWEIGHT-BLUE-W-LINER-MILITARY-USED-40R_W0QQitemZ390055860455QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad12418e7&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/0/4/9/2/1/9/webimg/81640582_tp.jpg)

That's the old-style blues jacket.

It is not currently approved for wear with any CAP uniform.

The proper jacket is the identical cut to the Navy/Army lightweight jacket / windbreaker except in dark blue.

(http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/images/large/000000CAP0921L_LRG.jpg)
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Spike on September 15, 2009, 06:44:02 PM
^ Really??  The black windbreaker in the picture above is an Army Officers jacket.  AAFES is still selling the style similar to the picture you posted above with the pointed collars.   
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Eclipse on September 15, 2009, 07:05:55 PM
Quote from: Spike on September 15, 2009, 06:44:02 PM
^ Really??  The black windbreaker in the picture above is an Army Officers jacket.  AAFES is still selling the style similar to the picture you posted above with the pointed collars.

Sorry, you're correct.  I was paying so much attention to the waistband that I forgot about the collar.

The USAF jacket is the same as the black one pictured, with the exception that the USAF jackets have the pointed collar.

The one Airrace is saying he buys on ebay is the old material, has different pockets, and lacks the elastic waistband.  The overall cut of the jacket itself is a bit different as well.

Say what you want about the CSU, but the universal reaction I get to the black jacket is "Man, that looks sharp". I'm expecting the same reaction to the black sweater, though I'm waiting on that until NHQ clarifies the style, since it seems to have changed from "Army" to "police-tactical".
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Spike on September 15, 2009, 08:23:05 PM
^ I thought I missed something about AF uniforms.  AAFES is known to keep selling something that no longer is supposed to be worn.

I do like the black windbreaker, the black all weather coat and the black sweater.
They are sharp looking uniform components when worn with the White and Blue Corporates.

However I am not so sure how the sweater will look with gray CAP rank slides though.   
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Eclipse on September 15, 2009, 09:05:58 PM
Quote from: Spike on September 15, 2009, 08:23:05 PM
^ I thought I missed something about AF uniforms.  AAFES is known to keep selling something that no longer is supposed to be worn.

I do like the black windbreaker, the black all weather coat and the black sweater.
They are sharp looking uniform components when worn with the White and Blue Corporates.

However I am not so sure how the sweater will look with gray CAP rank slides though.

As of last I checked we'd be wearing the standard dark blue USAF slides.
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Hawk200 on September 15, 2009, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Spike on September 15, 2009, 08:23:05 PMHowever I am not so sure how the sweater will look with gray CAP rank slides though.

I think I missed an ICL because I can't find info on the sweater. I was under the impression that it used the same epaulet sleeves that the white shirt did (white shirt as part of the white/blue combo).
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Spike on September 15, 2009, 11:50:58 PM
^ No, You and Eclipse are right.  I was off base here.  I retract my previous statement, the blue slides with black anything will look good.

Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Gunner C on September 16, 2009, 05:45:50 AM
Quote from: RiverAux on September 14, 2009, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on September 14, 2009, 02:56:11 PM
Those wearing the CSU should just be chilly in the fall and winter?
They should have enough extra blubber to keep them warm  >:D

JUST KIDDING!

::)
;D
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: rjfoxx on September 16, 2009, 12:51:04 PM
Apparently there has been a "change" about the black sweater.  The Army black sweater is NOT allowed with the blue/white uniform.  It must be a "black police style sweater with epaulets".  This is from the San Antonio National meeting according to my Wing Commander.  :-X
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Eclipse on September 16, 2009, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: rjfoxx on September 16, 2009, 12:51:04 PM
Apparently there has been a "change" about the black sweater.  The Army black sweater is NOT allowed with the blue/white uniform.  It must be a "black police style sweater with epaulets".  This is from the San Antonio National meeting according to my Wing Commander. 

Which is what I said above...
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Phillip on September 16, 2009, 04:05:57 PM
The black sweater was approved?  ???  I thought it had been nixed.  The use of the police style sweater was one of the suggestions I submitting to my Wing CC.
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: Thom on September 16, 2009, 06:56:47 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly delineates the Police-style Sweater from the US Army Sweater?

And, for that matter, after a little Googling, it appears that Police-style covers a wide range of different sweaters, some with and some without chest patches, and some without epaulets, though I believe the NB decision would require the with-epaulet versions for CAP.

So, what did we just adopt?  (I know, wait for the ICL...)

FYI, I agree with those who posted earlier about the appearance of the Black Windbreaker:  It is Sharp!  Very nice looking uniform combo for the CSU with the blue pants and flight cap with that jacket.

Thom Hamilton
Title: Re: Which 'windbreaker' jacket is correct?
Post by: The CyBorg is destroyed on September 18, 2009, 11:11:50 PM
I have a Royal Canadian Navy issue pullover black sweater, V-neck, velcro'ed epaulets, and no place on the front for a nameplate like the Army's black sweater.  I'm wondering if it would be acceptable...actually, it would look good with the blue epaulettes on the CSU.