IF A C.A.P. AIRCRAFT WAS JUST MAINTANCE 100 HOUR SERVICE,DAY BEFORE FLYING,AND FAILS,WITH C.A.P. CADETS ONBORAD.WHO IS RESPONIBLE?
Define "fails".
Also, please do not use all caps. It's considered shouting and is very rude.
Quote from: arajca on August 02, 2009, 03:36:07 PM
Define "fails".
Also, please do not use all caps. It's considered shouting and is very rude.
Also, that Spell Check button is your friend!
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Whether there are cadets on board or not, the questions are:
What failed, and
could the pilot have detected the problem prior to takeoff.
In spite of a thorough mechanic and equally detailed preflight, failures will occur.
The PIC is responsible for the aircraft - if all preflight checks were done properly there is nothing to see here, move on.
The FRO is responsible for insuring the regulations were followed in regards to the PIC being legal to fly in both the FAA and CAP context. If they were done properly, there is nothing to see here, move on.
The A/P is responsible for checks and repairs related to the 100-hour inspection. If they were done properly and the post-inspection problem was not related to the 100-hour checkpoints, there is nothing to see here, move on.
Regardless, there are no restrictions or limitations on flying CAP cadets within "x-hours" of the 100 hour, so their presence may be anecdotally interesting, and even make the story more "colorful", but its fairly irrelevant to whether the planes breaks.
Airplanes are mechanical devices built and maintained by fallible human beings, remember that the next time you decide to trust your life to what is essentially a Yugo with a garage door section stapled to it.
Otherwise, nothing to see here, move on.
Quote from: Eclipse on August 02, 2009, 04:20:29 PM
Airplanes are mechanical devices built and maintained by fallible human beings, remember that the next time you decide to trust your life to what is essentially a Yugo with a garage door section stapled to it.
Thanks! I needed a laugh!
The only caveat is if there was major work done to the powerplant or the prop, then o-flights (CAP cadet/AFROTC/AFJROTC) can't be done within 10 hours of that work.
Fail: total electrical ,working off the battery.Some other problems include,loose hardware,oil leaks,loose wiring,wrong type tires,I could go on,but i my bore "BORE YOU".I was just looking for a simple answer,but got shot down again,and I'm not the first nor the last.I may be newbie learning,but a newbie looking for support.Senior member since march 09
Don't forget the pilot that accepts the airplane from maintenance is responsible for making sure all work accomplished is in the logs, and completed.
"Fail", as used originally, covers alot of ground. Fail could be the pilot finding a flat tire on the pre-trip. Fail could be the wings falling off. Fail could be any of a number of situations, each would have a different answer. It also depends how soon after the maintenance the failure occurred and how many other people had issues. When you start mentioning liability, you need to consult the sharks lawyers - there is no simple answer involving liability in the case you are describing.
As for getting shot down again, you didn't provide sufficient information in your original post for us to make an informed opinion.
The Pilot In Command is responsible for the aircraft. He or She accepted the airplane from maintenance and is responsible for making sure it is airworthy. When he pre flighted the airplane and decided to fly it the responsibilty is his or hers!
Things can go wrong even with less than 10 hours after an inspection and this is why we prepare ourselves for landing the airplane in an emergency.
Quote from: flydoggy on August 02, 2009, 11:09:54 PM
wrong type tires,I could go on,but i my bore "BORE YOU".
You appear to have a lot of information about the aircraft problems. You need to provide us the specifics if you want any specific advice - don't worry about boring us.
How long was the flight, did it get identified on run-up, or while taxiing back after the flight? Pre-flight inspections are fairly standard and there are lots of things they will not catch. Electrical wiring coming loose, bolts breaking, wires breaking, hoses leaking, tires going flat, etc are just a part of flying. It will happen reguardless of what you do on your pre-flight.
Having the wrong tires on the airplane is a fairly damming accusation because of the range of correct options we have for tires.
I thank you for all response,I'll try better next time to have more detail