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Title: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Eclipse on July 29, 2009, 09:52:14 PM
(http://hq.group22.net/files/unknown_wings.jpg)

I'm helping with a unit insignia, and the original art uses these wings, which were obviously taken from some
sort of military or similar insignia.

Has anyone seen these before?
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Flying Pig on July 29, 2009, 10:49:40 PM
What was in the middle?
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Eclipse on July 30, 2009, 12:41:29 AM
No idea - an element of the insignia obscured whatever was there originally.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: flyerthom on July 30, 2009, 02:04:23 AM
Angle Flight?
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: DBlair on July 30, 2009, 02:21:51 AM
This looks somewhat like the wings on the SAS logo.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: MSG Mac on July 30, 2009, 02:35:25 AM
Similar to USN/USMC Combat Aircrew wings, but not quite!
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Jill on July 30, 2009, 02:59:54 AM
Robert,

I read your post at work today.  I cannot tell you how hard I laughed.

See you tommorow night at the meeting.


Jill

Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: VPI18 on July 30, 2009, 03:14:22 AM
Could it be a version of the Hap Arnold emblem, like from NAF patches?
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: bosshawk on July 30, 2009, 04:06:50 AM
Not Angelflight: I have one of those.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: CAPSGT on July 30, 2009, 12:56:45 PM
reminds me of the wings on from the eagle on the Cadet Service Cap Device & the Cadet Programs Specialty Track badge.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: RedFox24 on July 30, 2009, 01:21:48 PM
Two thoughts:

First it looks like some of the wings on some of the Scottish Clan Badges and unit badges of the British Army.

Second it also looks like some unit patches of the US airborne or glider forces infantry regts  like the 503rd, 188 or 187th.............

But I could be wrong............
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Eclipse on July 30, 2009, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: CAPSGT on July 30, 2009, 12:56:45 PM
reminds me of the wings on from the eagle on the Cadet Service Cap Device & the Cadet Programs Specialty Track badge.

You might be on to something, especially the cadets programs badge.  How old is it?  My notes say this patch I'm working on is about 40 years old.

(http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/images/large/CAP0748F_LRG.jpg)

(http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/images/large/CAP0761_LRG.jpg)
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Trung Si Ma on July 30, 2009, 02:58:42 PM
To me it looks like the wings portion of the early Pontiac Firebird emblem.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Eclipse on July 30, 2009, 03:34:47 PM
The other wrinkle in this is that's its clear to me the wings were scanned from an embroidered patch of some kind, so that leaves out the CP badges since they wouldn't be embroidered.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: SarDragon on July 30, 2009, 11:40:10 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 30, 2009, 02:41:06 PM
Quote from: CAPSGT on July 30, 2009, 12:56:45 PM
reminds me of the wings on from the eagle on the Cadet Service Cap Device & the Cadet Programs Specialty Track badge.

You might be on to something, especially the cadets programs badge.  How old is it?  My notes say this patch I'm working on is about 40 years old.

The CP badge is newer than 1987. It's not in Major Ragan's Collector's Catalog, published in 1985, and he discusses the ES badge being introduced that year. The '87 version of the 39-1 only show Comm, ES, and Safety badges.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Eclipse on July 31, 2009, 12:06:50 AM
Anyone know of any sites that have a lot of old CAP and military embroidered specialty badges?
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: JohnKachenmeister on July 31, 2009, 03:34:03 AM
When viewed upside down they look like an Indian chief's head-dress.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: RedFox24 on July 31, 2009, 04:57:43 AM
Try Harley Davidson patches and such.  Was passed today by some bikers on the way to encampment who had HD leathers on and on their colors were the HD eagle and it looked more like what you have there than what I mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Chief2009 on July 31, 2009, 05:17:03 AM
Maybe an insignia from one of the Warsaw Pact countries?

DN
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Gunner C on July 31, 2009, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: Chief2009 on July 31, 2009, 05:17:03 AM
Maybe an insignia from one of the Warsaw Pact countries?

DN

If it is, it's not one I recognize.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: RedFox24 on July 31, 2009, 03:12:10 PM
I think I found what it looks most like, but I cant post the picture.............
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Gunner C on July 31, 2009, 04:10:46 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: IceNine on August 01, 2009, 12:39:04 AM
I'm guessing they are the cadet wings.

They are a recurring theme on A LOT of the patches listed on Ace's site.

Michigan Wing Patch is notable.

Maybe there is some history noted there somewhere
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Eclipse on August 03, 2009, 11:00:59 PM
I've started trolling USAF heralds and the Air Material Command, Air Forces in Europe, and Air Force Special Operations Command are all close or could be a substitute.

BTW  - anyone know the whereabouts of Bob Bowden (CAPR275 here) from MIWG?  This is for him and emails and PM's have gone unanswered.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Slim on August 04, 2009, 02:46:39 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on August 03, 2009, 11:00:59 PM
BTW  - anyone know the whereabouts of Bob Bowden (CAPR275 here) from MIWG?  This is for him and emails and PM's have gone unanswered.

Not sure exactly where he is, but I know he's been out of the loop for a while between our encampment and spending a few days in the woods at our SAR academy.

His traveling companion reports that he's back home now, perhaps Robert is too.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Eclipse on August 04, 2009, 02:50:15 AM
Roger - thanks.

I've been stalling on this since February, and now that I finally got round to it he went dark, just want to make sure he was still on the team!   ;D

Now back to the wings!!!
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: alamrcn on August 04, 2009, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: SarDragonThe CP badge is newer than 1987. It's not in Major Ragan's Collector's Catalog, published in 1985, and he discusses the ES badge being introduced that year.

I seem to remember the CP and AE badges coming around at the same time as the maroon epaulettes - So 1991 or so? The interchangable star-device in them was a novel idea. I started wearing the CP badge in 1995.

I don't have a clue on the wings in the OP. Nothing officially Civil Air Patrol, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: James Shaw on August 06, 2009, 09:55:41 AM
Here we go gentleman. I hope this helps.

AAF WWII CIVILIAN FLIGHT TRAINING INSTRUCTOR`S CAP BADGE.
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: PaulR on August 06, 2009, 02:06:47 PM
Now that is a rare piece of militaria.  I am a collector and have never seen one of those.  Is that set in Silver(.900)?
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Eclipse on August 06, 2009, 02:57:00 PM
That's got to be them, or certainly close enough for gov'mint work!

Makes sense, too, as most likely some of the original creators of the insignia were probably serving in that role or paying homage to it.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Gunner C on August 13, 2009, 01:29:39 AM
Quote from: caphistorian on August 06, 2009, 09:55:41 AM
Here we go gentleman. I hope this helps.

AAF WWII CIVILIAN FLIGHT TRAINING INSTRUCTOR`S CAP BADGE.
Impressive find!
Title: Re: Unknown Wings - Has anyone seen these before?
Post by: Cecil DP on August 13, 2009, 03:39:10 AM
If so why would there be a blue version 65 years later???