While I am aware of quite a few examples of CAP working with State Defense Forces during WWII, I'm not aware of very much recent cooperation between these organizations, partly because the majority of states don't have active SDFs.
Recently, I saw on the MD-DE encampment web page that they used medical personnel from the MD Defense Force (their SDF) to take care of medical needs at the encampment. The MDDF probably has the strongest medical units of any SDF, with the possible exception of Texas, so this option may not be available to many Wings. However, it is something to think about as it removes some of those pesky arguments about how much medical care CAP members can provide....
CAWG has used them to run their M-16 range.
Good folks.
CAWG qualifies on M-16s?
Quote from: caplegalnc on July 13, 2009, 08:46:39 PM
CAWG qualifies on M-16s?
Yes, they are called the Califorina State Military Reserve.
I have noticed that CAP can have a good working relationship with other organizations provided they 1) are willing to make and maintain the contacts, 2) gain approval from CAP NHQ and WING depending on the situation, 3) people are willing to be open minded about the possibilities.
I have noticed several Wings that have a good working relationship with organizations are varied as the Boy Scouts to State National Guard. I have also seen it destroyed in several notable examples because of a hand full of naysayers trying to protect fiefdoms or live in a past time long gone.
We have got to be open to the other mutual aid organizations...we have go to make the connections.
If an SDF is willing, then we need to get with it and develop the relationship. Possibilities, people. If it can't be done due to regs or law, that is one things; but if it won't be done because it is to "new" or that it has never been done" or that it "has never worked in the past;" then I think the block is on our side.
You have a potential problem with background checks and cppt issues when dealing with outside agenies, and some of these agencies are pretty loose on such items..
Quote from: AirAux on July 13, 2009, 09:53:22 PM
You have a potential problem with background checks and cppt issues when dealing with outside agenies, and some of these agencies are pretty loose on such items..
While this an issue, these sorts of things can be hammered out in an MOU before hand. I think it is safe to say that the CAP/USAF personnel, or any people from many of the agencies we work with (like RED CROSS, HLS and the like) do not comply with our CPPT policies either.
In any case, I feel that CPPT is a major issue and should be considered in cases where any of these people would work with cadets.
I think that any time we work with any other agency it helps raise our "profile" and can help a lot with generating future missions. Sometimes asking for help is the best way to get asked for help in return....
I don't see any major CPPT issue here. Most of the adults cadets are going to come in contact with at encampment are non-CAP members without any CPPT. Anyone from the SP giving a demo to the person serving food at the mess hall.
From CAPR 52-10, 14 March 2008 , paragraph 3D(2):
"Activity instructors. At times, non-CAP adults are invited to participate in activities where CAP youth are involved. For example, a unit may ask a certified first aid instructor to teach our youth, or a unit may invite an Air Force recruiter to share with our youth the benefits of joining the Air Force, or an activity may seek individuals to assist with the activity. Non-CAP adults can be present with our CAP youth as long as there is a CAP senior member physically present with the non-CAP adult at all times. The CAP senior member must currently be in FBI "approved" status.'
Quote from: AirAux on July 13, 2009, 09:53:22 PM
You have a potential problem with background checks and cppt issues when dealing with outside agenies, and some of these agencies are pretty loose on such items..
As long as our trained senior members are there and awake I don't see a problem.
Well, we had a member of the SC State Guard come to give us a presentation a while ago about them. They also sent a guy to help give us all some first aid training (enough for CAP, but not for ARC or AHA). However, he wound up leaving the SCSG and joining us!
While I am a big fan of SDFs and would probably be in one if there was one in my state, I do have to say that there are quite a few states where CAP is actually much more active and better funded than the SDF and gets more real missions.