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Operations => Emergency Services & Operations => Topic started by: jpizzo127 on July 07, 2009, 03:44:47 PM

Title: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: jpizzo127 on July 07, 2009, 03:44:47 PM
Can someone suggest a cost effective method for getting my new members qualified in First Aid?

The instructors we're used in the past have charged anywhere from $35 to $45.

I am learning that this might be very expensive by comparison.


Please advise. Thanks!
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: John Bryan on July 07, 2009, 04:02:12 PM
If you can get a member to become an instructor often times they can do it at a reduced cost. There are a number of groups that certify instructors...such as American Heart Assc, American Red Cross and the National Safety Council. They all have different rules about what their instructors can do but for the  most part having an in house instructor saves a group or company a lot of money.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: Eclipse on July 07, 2009, 06:34:46 PM
That's the way to go - have the Group / units pony up some money for sending a couple of members to instructor class and for the practice dummies, from there you can generally offer classes for the costs of the materials (~$10).
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: Al Sayre on July 07, 2009, 07:26:49 PM
Have a medical professional teach the "Buddy First Aid course"  You can download the course material free, and it meets the ES first aid requirements.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: DC on July 07, 2009, 08:08:12 PM
Check with your local fire dept/EMS agency or a hospital, often they will teach group classes for free.

A few years ago the better part of my squadron got First Aid/CPR certified for free thanks to the county EMS agency. It was also taught by professional medics with serious experience, rather than someone with First Aid training and an instructor card.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: Eclipse on July 07, 2009, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: Al Sayre on July 07, 2009, 07:26:49 PM
Have a medical professional teach the "Buddy First Aid course"  You can download the course material free, and it meets the ES first aid requirements.

Check with your Wing before doing that - the above would not meet my Wing's standards. YMMV.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: Daniel on July 07, 2009, 08:57:32 PM
your local public school may certify people very cheaply.. I pay $10 for mine.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: Fireball on July 08, 2009, 06:31:49 AM
I volunteered to be a First Aid Responder (basically a band-aid brigade) at my employer. They pay for my training and I have gotten a lot of real world experience
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: Ozzy on July 08, 2009, 05:01:42 PM
Yea, the best bet is to find someone who is an Instructor or find someone in CAP that is. My squadron has one, maybe you can ask her to do a course/class? PM sent.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: argentip on July 08, 2009, 09:14:18 PM
I would agree that you should find a member or friend that is an instructor that will colunteer their time.  In my squadron, we have 2 American Red Cross Instructors (I am one of them) and 2 American Heart Association Instructors.  The AHA is much less expensive than the ARC classes.

Red Cross requires that students have books, which either the unit or studnet has to buy.  Then you have go rent the mannequins (unless you get those donated).  Plus the chapter will have a fee of around $5 ussually as a processing fee.

American Heart doesn't require students to buy books (just to have them available during the course) and then you have to also get mannequins.

When my squadron did a CPR class a few months ago, we chose to do the Heart Assoc. class because of the price.  We also got the fire dept we meet at to let us use their mannequins and the disposable face shields they had.

I would still look at all your options before deciding on which organization to go with.  The material is almost identical, its just how it is presented and what the local policies are.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: gistek on July 23, 2009, 01:35:06 PM
Most Red Cross chapters will permit youth oriented community service organizations to "library" the course books. This means you need to buy some to teach from, but can then use them over and over.

http://www.profirstaid.com offers a free online study program that covers the same information as the Red Cross courses. They do charge about $40 for the certification, and I don't know how widely it is accepted, but people should be able to successfully challenge the Red Cross tests after successfully completing the ProFirstAid course.

You should also look into the Emergency Care and Safety Institute (ECST) http://www.ecsinstitute.org/ I used my Red Cross instructor credentials to qualify as a teacher in their program, but they do have an instructor training course you might look into.

Hawk Mountain Ranger School in Kempton, PA offers a First Aid weekend in November. Last year's cost was $20.00 per student. Their instructors are ECSI certified, and most work in the EMS field.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: Airrace on August 02, 2009, 02:45:50 AM
Send one of your members to a Red Cross Instructors class. You can then rent or purchase the dummies and training material to put on classes for your members at a reduced rate. Usually you need to renew your certification every two years so it's a good investment and could help save someones life as well.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: BTCS1 C/CC on August 19, 2009, 03:55:08 PM
AHA provides a BLS course that is cheaper then the rest. It includes cpr aed choking for the advanced medical professional.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: Airrace on August 20, 2009, 02:32:17 AM
Have one or two members get certified to teach. We use Red Cross and it seems to work out fine. You can rent the equipment from them and eventually try and purchase your own equipment to bring the cost savings down even more.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: SJFedor on August 31, 2009, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: BTCS1 C/CC on August 19, 2009, 03:55:08 PM
AHA provides a BLS course that is cheaper then the rest. It includes cpr aed choking for the advanced medical professional.

Which is designed for just that, medical professionals. EMT's, Paramedics, RNs, MDs, RRTs, all the acronyms, not lay rescuers. Heathcare provider level CPR goes into some skills (BVM usage, etc) which isn't practical for most lay rescuers. Lay rescuers need to be saying "Call 911!" not "call a code and get a crash cart!"  >:D
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: marty1 on September 04, 2009, 12:39:19 AM
I understand the original question was reqarding new members, however, the new 60-3 addresses this for GTMs.
3-5. a. (2)

(a) Emergency Services and other Operations training missions; this training is expected to prepare members to meet AFAM requirements and earn emergency services specialty qualifications; any training for tasks required to become qualified may be included in this category. For example, communications user training for personnel that will operate radio equipment on missions would be acceptable as well as water survival training for aircrew members in coastal states, or first aid training for ground teams.

So, the training can be a funded mission if your wing approves.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: BTCS1 C/CC on September 08, 2009, 02:25:08 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on August 31, 2009, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: BTCS1 C/CC on August 19, 2009, 03:55:08 PM
AHA provides a BLS course that is cheaper then the rest. It includes cpr aed choking for the advanced medical professional.

Which is designed for just that, medical professionals. EMT's, Paramedics, RNs, MDs, RRTs, all the acronyms, not lay rescuers. Heathcare provider level CPR goes into some skills (BVM usage, etc) which isn't practical for most lay rescuers. Lay rescuers need to be saying "Call 911!" not "call a code and get a crash cart!"  >:D



Do you know where i can get the patch for my uniform for BLS with AHA?
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: afgeo4 on September 08, 2009, 03:40:24 AM
Your local volunteer ambulance/firefighters should be able to help with it at a lower cost.
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: BTCS1 C/CC on September 08, 2009, 04:35:10 AM
agreed
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: SJFedor on September 08, 2009, 06:09:18 AM
Quote from: BTCS1 C/CC on September 08, 2009, 02:25:08 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on August 31, 2009, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: BTCS1 C/CC on August 19, 2009, 03:55:08 PM
AHA provides a BLS course that is cheaper then the rest. It includes cpr aed choking for the advanced medical professional.

Which is designed for just that, medical professionals. EMT's, Paramedics, RNs, MDs, RRTs, all the acronyms, not lay rescuers. Heathcare provider level CPR goes into some skills (BVM usage, etc) which isn't practical for most lay rescuers. Lay rescuers need to be saying "Call 911!" not "call a code and get a crash cart!"  >:D



Do you know where i can get the patch for my uniform for BLS with AHA?

....seriously?
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: BTCS1 C/CC on September 25, 2009, 02:37:22 AM
yeah
Title: Re: Cost Effective First Aid/CPR
Post by: NCRblues on September 25, 2009, 02:45:29 AM
 ::) ::) ::) sorry had to roll my eyes several times due to the answer above........ Don't worry about placing more patches and bling on your bdus move on with your cadet experience. There's so much more cap can offer than allowing rainbow patches on bdus.