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Operations => Emergency Services & Operations => Topic started by: jpizzo127 on June 22, 2009, 07:13:28 PM

Title: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: jpizzo127 on June 22, 2009, 07:13:28 PM
(We could probably do this cheaper and just as effectively)

Homeland Security drone patrolling NNY

Last Update: 6/18 2:14 pm 

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Unmanned aircraft deployed at Fort Drum (John Moore, NewsWatch50) A monitor inside an operations trailer shows a close-up view of a boat skimming across the water on Lake Ontario.

The image was taken from an unmanned aircraft more than three miles away.

A Predator B Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS) has been temporarily based at Fort Drum since early June in an experiment by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Office.

The Department of Homeland Security is using the extensive restricted air space over Fort Drum to test whether the drone could be a good fit along this stretch of the northern border.

Video of a boat on Lake Ontario captured from 19,000 feet above (John Moore, NewsWatch50) U.S. Customs and Border Protection has five of the aircraft but so far none of them based permanently in the Northeast.

The Predator will operate out of Fort Drum for about three weeks for testing and training, and to evaluate its use to law enforcement.

John Stanton, director of CPB's Office of Air and Marine, said state, provincial and local law enforcement agencies were quick to take up the offer of added surveillance of Lake Ontario and the St. Lawrence River.

"So while we were flying, we were asked by our partner law enforcement agencies if we would be kind enough to be on the lookout for suspicious activities," Stanton said.

The surveillance also includes the land border between the U.S. and Canada after the border peels away from the St. Lawrence River.

By flying in restricted air space at 19,000 feet, the Predator avoids lower-level air traffic, cutting the risk of collisions, Stanton said.

The aircraft is virtually identical to Predators used by the military, with the exception of lower-power engine and no weapons, he said.

Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: RiverAux on June 22, 2009, 07:15:29 PM
Are you kidding?  Saying you've got your own Predator is always going to be much cooler than saying you've saved money by using CAP volunteers. 
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: jpizzo127 on June 22, 2009, 07:40:13 PM
Maybe CAP should get Predator's then.

;D
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: jimmydeanno on June 22, 2009, 07:56:04 PM
Not sure how that would help our public image...

(http://www.abebooks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/predator.jpg)  :P
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: notaNCO forever on June 22, 2009, 07:59:31 PM
I think the hair isn't regulation
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: BrandonKea on June 22, 2009, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: notaNCO forever on June 22, 2009, 07:59:31 PM
I think the hair isn't regulation

He'd just wear the polo...
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: Phil Hirons, Jr. on June 23, 2009, 01:17:36 AM
Quote from: BrandonKea on June 22, 2009, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: notaNCO forever on June 22, 2009, 07:59:31 PM
I think the hair isn't regulation

He'd just wear the polo...

Probably makes height / weight  >:D
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: lordmonar on June 23, 2009, 03:20:11 AM
Quote from: phirons on June 23, 2009, 01:17:36 AM
Quote from: BrandonKea on June 22, 2009, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: notaNCO forever on June 22, 2009, 07:59:31 PM
I think the hair isn't regulation

He'd just wear the polo...

Probably makes height / weight  >:D

Who would tell him if he doesn't? ;D
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: BrandonKea on June 23, 2009, 03:22:57 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on June 23, 2009, 03:20:11 AM
Quote from: phirons on June 23, 2009, 01:17:36 AM
Quote from: BrandonKea on June 22, 2009, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: notaNCO forever on June 22, 2009, 07:59:31 PM
I think the hair isn't regulation

He'd just wear the polo...

Probably makes height / weight  >:D

Who would tell him if he doesn't? ;D

Sounds like Flight Officer duty!
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: DC on June 23, 2009, 03:31:35 AM
Isn't it hilarious how a discussion about how CAP could be saving CBP money (wow, that sounds like a Geico commercial... I'm looking for the little money dude now.) quickly dissolves into a uniform discussion?

Go CAP Talk!  ;)
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: es_g0d on June 23, 2009, 03:47:33 AM
Ok then, DC, this should put us poignantly back on track:

PREDATORS ARE EVIL.  (As are all UAVs, and most of the bad guys in Governator flicks)  :D
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: PHall on June 23, 2009, 05:01:13 AM
The Preds have one big advantage over our Cessna's, they can fly for 12 hours at a stretch.
None of our pilots can hold their water that long...
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: lordmonar on June 23, 2009, 05:43:25 AM
Quote from: PHall on June 23, 2009, 05:01:13 AM
The Preds have one big advantage over our Cessna's, they can fly for 12 hours at a stretch.
None of our pilots can hold their water that long...

Make that 22 hours and you would be closer.

CAP cannot do the MQ-1 mission cheaper.

To maintain a 22 hour coverage over a search area would take two aircraft with four crews EVERYDAY.

We could do it cheaper in the short run....but going 24-7 would not be possible.
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: N Harmon on June 23, 2009, 12:07:19 PM
Operating at FL190 for extended periods means lugging oxygen up with you. Add that weight to the sensors and you start cutting into the amount of fuel you can carry.
Title: Re: Here's a job we could be doing...instead of a drone.
Post by: SJFedor on June 24, 2009, 09:50:14 PM
Quote from: N Harmon on June 23, 2009, 12:07:19 PM
Operating at FL190 for extended periods means lugging oxygen up with you. Add that weight to the sensors and you start cutting into the amount of fuel you can carry.

Not to mention the service ceiling for most of our aircraft is well below FL190.