Aside from asking permission from Nat/HQ....
Our local airshows / Flight breakfasts use alot of Temp Tattoos for advertising ect....
Has CAP ever done or approved a Temp Tattoo for events?
Do you think we could get approval for Temp Tattoos?
If NHQ is sending C&D letters to websites telling them to remove CAP logos and products, I wonder what they'd do to little Johnny with a CAP temporary tat on his arm...
I shudder to think... ;D
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on June 02, 2009, 06:18:57 AM
If NHQ is sending C&D letters to websites telling them to remove CAP logos and products, I wonder what they'd do to little Johnny with a CAP temporary tat on his arm...
I shudder to think... ;D
However I do think it is a recruiting tool....(not a great one, but it is one)
I'm not sure the image of a tattoo -- even a temporary one -- really is in line with the ideals of Civil Air Patrol.
On the other hand, I allow my children to use temporary tattoos of Smokey the Bear and cartoon characters. So its a topic worthy of discussion! It will be interesting to see what the consensus will be.
Harmless advertising and recruiting. Unless you count the fact that temp tattoos are somewhat cutesy and aimed at small children who can't yet join, making it brand imprinting for future recall, turning them into sleeper agents who will have a subconscious urge to give us their money, lives, and souls at a later age. This is diabolical, I LIKE IT! :D
They are also popular in the marathon/triathlon environment. Participants wear them to advertise the club that they are with or some vendor that either sponsors the race or their club.
That being said, if we had CAP ones I would wear them at events like this to advertise. They are relatively cheap and a good way to show support in a non-CAP activity. That is until CAP comes out with a bike jersey or triathlon top. ;)
Well, for little things like this you could go with the "easier to beg for forgiveness, than ask for permission" theory. We're really just assuming National's problem with only Vanguard (or the PA/PR dept) providing these first anyway.
I think this is a new and outstanding recruitment booth idea.
Git-r-done!
I dont see any military recruiters going that route giving temp GLode and Anchor tats out at airshows, so as CAP I wouldnt. Even if they were, I wouldnt. Do face painting of airplanes or something.
That reminds me, I still have some CadetStuff.org temporary tattoos kicking around...
Quote from: dwb on June 02, 2009, 04:03:45 PM
That reminds me, I still have some CadetStuff.org temporary tattoos kicking around...
I still have a hundred or so. Those were from the "CadetStuff Does Vegas!" National Board trip.
Visible tattoos are prohibited in uniform by regulation - I don't believe it makes the distinction regarding temporary.
Poor / wrong image.
How about face painting and balloon animals too?
Quote from: Eclipse on June 02, 2009, 04:27:04 PM
Visible tattoos are prohibited in uniform by regulation - I don't believe it makes the distinction regarding temporary.
That's not entirely accurate Major. My interpretation of the following is that a small tattoo is fine but a large one is not.
From the knowledgebase:
Exposed tattoos must not be excessive. Excessive is defined as any tattoo/brands that exceed 1/4 of the exposed body part and those above the collarbone and readily visible when wearing an open collar USAF style uniform.
See CAPM 39-1 CHAPTER 2 – USAF-STYLE UNIFORMS (SENIOR MEMBERS AND CADETS) Table 2-5
See Table 2-5 (below) of CAPM 39-1 CAP Uniform Manual
Table 2-5. Clothing/Accessory Standards
Tattoos/Brands- Excessive tattoos/brands will not be exposed or visible (includes visible through the uniform) while in uniform. Excessive is defined as any tattoo/brands that exceeds 1/4 of the exposed body part and those above the collarbone and readily visible when wearing an open collar uniform.
I will let you all know as soon as i get the denial fron National...
I just had the thought that Naitonal would most likely deny the use of the red/blue tri-prop for the tattoo, but how about the DDR logo? That thing is used everywhere...
Thoughts on how I should approach this? Wing, region, then national? I need to roam through the regs, I think.
I would probably just make them and not tell anybody. But that's just me, and I've been known to get in trouble from time to time.
Quote from: Flying Pig on June 02, 2009, 03:54:01 PM
I dont see any military recruiters going that route giving temp GLode and Anchor tats out at airshows, so as CAP I wouldnt.
Actually, I remember getting an Eagle, Globe, and Anchor temp tat back when I was 10 (so...a decade ago). The Marines always had the coolest fundraisers (which is the super secret codeword for 'recruiting activity for military dependents'). They did facepainting too (usually camo :D ).
I know my younger sister got a AF temp tat (Hap Arnold symbol with "AF Brat" under it) a few years ago at a base Family Day that I skipped out on.
Quote from: dwb on June 02, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
I would probably just make them and not tell anybody. But that's just me, and I've been known to get in trouble from time to time.
Sorry ain't gonna happen, either I get approval or it dies.
In other words, I won't take the fall alone.
Now I have looked into CAPR 900-2, The emblem (my first choice) is controlled by the Exec Director at the review of the General Council. However it can be used for recruiting purposes as issued by Nat/HQ.
Either way approval must come from CAP/HQ/XPP
The Hap Arnold however, "Commanders may use the symbol effective immediately on "perishable" products and those involving limited expense, such as printed material, clothing, coins, etc. The symbol should not be applied at this time to other "nonperishable"
ses such as aircraft and vehicles. Commanders retain discretion to decide how the symbol is used in their organizations, consistent with these guidelines."
Take off your "WWNHQD" bracelets, you guys.
This is an awesome idea, now think like a 10-12 year old and come up with a good design.
Quote from: alamrcn on June 02, 2009, 08:08:59 PM
Take off your "WWNHQD" bracelets, you guys.
This is an awesome idea, now think like a 10-12 year old and come up with a good design.
Maybe cappy the bird can be integrated into them >:D.
Quote from: NCO forever on June 02, 2009, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: alamrcn on June 02, 2009, 08:08:59 PM
Take off your "WWNHQD" bracelets, you guys.
This is an awesome idea, now think like a 10-12 year old and come up with a good design.
Maybe cappy the bird can be integrated into them >:D.
And have Cadet Ken distribute them .... slam dunk, can't miss idea :D
Cadet Ken... ::) Well, he DOES get attention!
Maybe I had something with "WWNHQD" bracelets?
The corprate shield (fka. command patch) might be the best tattoo without reinventing anything. 2" size would be perfect, but 1" is probably more economical.
Here's a cool, unused design without any wording...
(http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/HELPID/lgupwngs.jpg)
It was never used except for the WWII officer service cap badge.
Except for this...
http://www.nywg.cap.gov/NYWCAPWingsBackPatch.pdf
Quote from: captrncap on June 03, 2009, 03:44:43 PM
Except for this...
http://www.nywg.cap.gov/NYWCAPWingsBackPatch.pdf
Not the same - the one in the .PDF looks like somebody with an embroidery machine took some stock art and slapped the CAP insignia over it. Meh.
Temp tattoos?
Seems a bit tacky to me.
but hey, perhaps we can include a discount coupon for an ear-piercing with every new membership...
back to topic: there are more effective ways to spend recruiting funds...
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on June 02, 2009, 08:08:19 PM
The Hap Arnold however, "Commanders may use the symbol effective immediately on "perishable" products and those involving limited expense, such as printed material, clothing, coins, etc. The symbol should not be applied at this time to other "nonperishable"
ses such as aircraft and vehicles. Commanders retain discretion to decide how the symbol is used in their organizations, consistent with these guidelines."
The Hap Arnold, though, is also controlled by the USAF, and they have their own guidelines for use as well, though my guess is that somewhere the temp tattoos are already in use.
Quote from: O-Rex on June 03, 2009, 03:58:48 PM
Temp tattoos?
Seems a bit tacky to me.
but hey, perhaps we can include a discount coupon for an ear-piercing with every new membership...
back to topic: there are more effective ways to spend recruiting funds...
Being a Recruiter for the Military (Army) is that if you don't have an incentive for them to come and see you, or to 'peddle your goods' then you can't talk about the program. Now granted, there are some that will find you, but the rest we have to go and get. Temp Tattoos offer somthing the kids want to have. This relates into
bodies at your booth.
In my observations, you need to see 100 people to get 1-2 good recruits. With temp tattoos i have found them 1000 for $85.00. I would pay .008 a person to have them get interested in CAP.
Might want to check that math.
You're not alone. http://failblog.org/2009/02/04/verizon-math-fail/
Quote from: es_g0d on June 04, 2009, 01:30:46 AM
Might want to check that math.
You're not alone. http://failblog.org/2009/02/04/verizon-math-fail/
ahahahahahahaha
Quote from: es_g0d on June 04, 2009, 01:30:46 AM
Might want to check that math.
You're not alone. http://failblog.org/2009/02/04/verizon-math-fail/
.085, sorry
Quote from: O-Rex
back to topic: there are more effective ways to spend recruiting funds...
You were on topic with the tattoo portion of the post, but since you left us hanging... My inevitable question to that statement then would be "like what?" However, that's to be discussed in detail in another thread.
Tackiness is afterall in the eye of the beholder, which in this thread's example is presumed to be prospective cadets who may be attracted to and enjoy a temporary tattoo freebee.
I've seen CAP recruiting booths hand out custom printed school supplies like rulers and pencils. I've seen hand-outs that try too hard to follow an aerospace theme, from foam assemble-yourself planes to flying disks (frisbees). A bowl of candy? :-[ Yawn.
One GREAT possibility with the temporary tattoos...
Don't hand it to them, have someone at the booth help put it on right there. That's at least 2-5 minutes of undivided attention we'd have with the cadet/parent to talk about the Civil Air Patrol program!
Actually, word is that NHQ has entered into a corporate partnership with Bubba's Cellblock Tattoo parlor down on the main drag of Montgomery.
For every male cadet who gets a armband tat NHQ gets a 10% kickback. For the females, it's 15% for every set of angel wings and 20% for every tramp stamp.
So pile 'em all in the van next meeting and drive 'em on down, just 4 doors down from the Pawn shop, next door to Mistress Chang's Asian massage parlor.
I'm on the main drag of Montgomery right now and I seem to have missed that place...although, there are a lot of prisoners mowing the lawns here at Maxwell. I think these are a good idea and that the target audience would be thrilled.
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on June 05, 2009, 05:04:07 PM
Actually, word is that NHQ has entered into a corporate partnership with Bubba's Cellblock Tattoo parlor down on the main drag of Montgomery.
For every male cadet who gets a armband tat NHQ gets a 10% kickback. For the females, it's 15% for every set of angel wings and 20% for every tramp stamp.
So pile 'em all in the van next meeting and drive 'em on down, just 4 doors down from the Pawn shop, next door to Mistress Chang's Asian massage parlor.
Because I personally know you and respect (cough, cough ) you I won't be to harsh.....
DRIFT TERMINATED
I am looking into the the wings patch that was listed above. It seems to be the easiest overall. Can't to the emblem without permisson, can't use the CAP name without permission. Easiest road is the DDR or the wings.
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on June 05, 2009, 08:15:27 PM
Quote from: Johnny Yuma on June 05, 2009, 05:04:07 PM
Actually, word is that NHQ has entered into a corporate partnership with Bubba's Cellblock Tattoo parlor down on the main drag of Montgomery.
For every male cadet who gets a armband tat NHQ gets a 10% kickback. For the females, it's 15% for every set of angel wings and 20% for every tramp stamp.
So pile 'em all in the van next meeting and drive 'em on down, just 4 doors down from the Pawn shop, next door to Mistress Chang's Asian massage parlor.
Because I personally know you and respect (cough, cough ) you I won't be to harsh.....
DRIFT TERMINATED
I am looking into the the wings patch that was listed above. It seems to be the easiest overall. Can't to the emblem without permisson, can't use the CAP name without permission. Easiest road is the DDR or the wings.
You're being nice because of those photos I got of you coming out of Mistress Chang's...
Seriously, I think it s a great idea, which means NHQ, Inc. and those who run it (a.k.a the attorneys) won't.
Quote from: Eclipse on June 02, 2009, 04:27:04 PM
Visible tattoos are prohibited in uniform by regulation - I don't believe it makes the distinction regarding temporary.
Poor / wrong image.
How about face painting and balloon animals too?
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Quote from: Gunner C on June 06, 2009, 10:53:11 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on June 02, 2009, 04:27:04 PM
Visible tattoos are prohibited in uniform by regulation - I don't believe it makes the distinction regarding temporary.
Poor / wrong image.
How about face painting and balloon animals too?
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Temp Tattoos would be no different than real tattoos IMO. No getting one in uniform, can't have one visible in uniform, ect....
Its been shown already that you can indeed have tattoos visible while in uniform so stop perpetuating myths. Also, we aren't talking about wearing them in uniform... We're talking about a potential member (read 10 year old) as something neat. I still think they're a great idea. Ditch the rulers get the tats...
Quote from: Eclipse on June 02, 2009, 04:27:04 PM
Visible tattoos are prohibited in uniform by regulation - I don't believe it makes the distinction regarding temporary.
Poor / wrong image.
How about face painting and balloon animals too?
Since these would be going to kids/future cadets, it's a nonissue.
About the face painting, NBB a couple years ago had cadets working the Kwik (chocolate drink mix for milk) booth painting rabbit noses and whiskers on kids, FWIW.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on June 06, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
Its been shown already that you can indeed have tattoos visible while in uniform so stop perpetuating myths. Also, we aren't talking about wearing them in uniform... We're talking about a potential member (read 10 year old) as something neat. I still think they're a great idea. Ditch the rulers get the tats...
Working on it
I just came across about 100 of our old "CadetStuff" tattoos in my geocaching "geegaw" bag. Hahaha.
I'm thinking middle of my neck.. :P
Quote from: NIN on June 08, 2009, 11:44:42 AM
I just came across about 100 of our old "CadetStuff" tattoos in my geocaching "geegaw" bag. Hahaha.
I'm thinking middle of my neck.. :P
I've got one of those floating around somewhere... probably next to my SAR watch I bought from Shawn Stanford BITD.
Quote from: BrandonKea on June 23, 2009, 12:19:23 AM
Quote from: NIN on June 08, 2009, 11:44:42 AM
I just came across about 100 of our old "CadetStuff" tattoos in my geocaching "geegaw" bag. Hahaha.
I'm thinking middle of my neck.. :P
I've got one of those floating around somewhere... probably next to my SAR watch I bought from Shawn Stanford BITD.
Has it been so long since we got those that it now qualifies as BITD? :)
Quote from: SarDragon on June 23, 2009, 12:53:23 AM
Quote from: BrandonKea on June 23, 2009, 12:19:23 AM
Quote from: NIN on June 08, 2009, 11:44:42 AM
I just came across about 100 of our old "CadetStuff" tattoos in my geocaching "geegaw" bag. Hahaha.
I'm thinking middle of my neck.. :P
I've got one of those floating around somewhere... probably next to my SAR watch I bought from Shawn Stanford BITD.
Has it been so long since we got those that it now qualifies as BITD? :)
It FEELS like a long time ago, I was barely out of High School in '05 when those shipped.
If 4 years is BITD, what's 20 years ago???? ???
:)
Quote from: es_g0d on June 23, 2009, 03:45:38 AM
If 4 years is BITD, what's 20 years ago???? ???
:)
:-D We're all on different timelines. 20 years ago, I was 2. 20 years ago, some of ya'll were probably halfway through the Cadet Program. And even others were probably halfway through the Senior Program. :-)
Just the other day, I was holding a conversation with my wife, when I mentioned that I had been somewhere 26 years ago.
Then and only then I had the senior moment thought......and I'm 34.