CAP Talk

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AF blues, but only because of my current duty assignment.  When I was in a squadron, I wore BDUs a lot more.

[curmungeon] This poll only highlights the need to streamline our uniform selection! *ducks and runs* [/curmungeon]

^ The grays were just a phase?

Where is the option for Tropical Blue Long? Kidding.  >:D

Quote from: MIKE on April 22, 2009, 05:41:47 PM
^ The grays were just a phase?

Where is the option for Tropical Blue Long? Kidding.  >:D

what do you mean by phase.

I wear my AF style blues most of the time but during the spring and fall I will wear the new coporate uniform so I can wear the leather jacket.

Before I was at Wing, I wore mostly BDU's.  I would wear blues maybe once a month.

Not a big fan of the polo combo.  Personal preference more than anything else.

Quote from: capcadetwilliams on April 22, 2009, 05:43:20 PMwhat do you mean by phase.

He's talking directly to me.

Quote from: MIKE on April 22, 2009, 05:41:47 PM^ The grays were just a phase?

I got a small, but noticable, stain on my aviator shirt that wouldn't wash out, even with bleach.  It took me a couple of years to get around to ordering a new shirt.  I just got a new one earlier this year.

I have all of the stuff for AF blues, CSU, and greys.  Out of the three, I probably wear blues the most often, but I still wear greys.  I haven't done the CSU yet, but I do have the nameplate and epaulets.  I have an inspection coming up next month, maybe I'll debut my CSU.

Working with cadets, I seem to be in BDUs more often than anything else.  The flight suit is the only thing I fly in, and blues for certain meetings and functions.  But BDUs definitely get the most mileage for me.

Flight suit , Blues every two months for three hours.

I try to follow what the cadets are required to wear.  Blues night blues, BDU night BDUS, PT night I will wear the grey lacks and polo shirt, I tend to wear my flight suit only when flying.

What, no mankini option?
dang.

I messed up and put Utility Uniform.  I didn't see the option for AF Style BDUs...

Polo all the way.  When I worked with Cadets it was what they wore, now that I work with State and Federal Agencies, I wear what they wear......and that is business casual!

Quote from: Stonewall on April 22, 2009, 07:13:25 PM
I messed up and put Utility Uniform.  I didn't see the option for AF Style BDUs...

Can fix it for you if you want.  Or set to be able to change votes.

Quote from: MIKE on April 22, 2009, 08:33:27 PM

Quote from: Stonewall on April 22, 2009, 07:13:25 PM
I messed up and put Utility Uniform.  I didn't see the option for AF Style BDUs...

Can fix it for you if you want.  Or set to be able to change votes.

Set so users can change votes now.  That way, people who vote and then realize they're the only one who wears a mess dress to weekly meetings can go and change that to something else.   ;)

Why are Flight Suit AF Green and Corporate Blue grouped together?  That makes no sense.

AF style BDU's are the uniform of choice of our Squadron Commander.  Rarely blues.

Will be on crackberry until tomorrow so if Mike or Mike wish to fix it, that would be great...  With how incredibly important this is and all :-)

I guess you can't change individual votes from edit anymore?  ???

A pretty fair percentage of our Seniors wear their actual Air Force uniforms, usually flight suits, since thats ordinarily the uniform of the day in their day job. The older folks usually wear polo combos, and the younger Non AF Seniors wear BDU's.

Major Lord

This is a toughie, since I joined region, I never really wear a uniform.  When I was at wing, it was polo or corp blue or grey's. hmmmm

Fixed.  I know my one vote makes the difference so you're welcome  :P

Quote from: Major Lord on April 22, 2009, 10:33:41 PM
A pretty fair percentage of our Seniors wear their actual Air Force uniforms, usually flight suits, since thats ordinarily the uniform of the day in their day job. The older folks usually wear polo combos, and the younger Non AF Seniors wear BDU's.

Major Lord

They should not be wearing AF uniforms to CAP, unless they are representing USAF there?  I was under the impression that when doing CAP work, you MUST wear a CAP uniform??

Am I totally wrong? 

Quote from: Spike on April 23, 2009, 01:06:16 AM

Quote from: Major Lord on April 22, 2009, 10:33:41 PM
A pretty fair percentage of our Seniors wear their actual Air Force uniforms, usually flight suits, since thats ordinarily the uniform of the day in their day job. The older folks usually wear polo combos, and the younger Non AF Seniors wear BDU's.

Major Lord

They should not be wearing AF uniforms to CAP, unless they are representing USAF there?  I was under the impression that when doing CAP work, you MUST wear a CAP uniform??

Am I totally wrong? 

Yep.

^ Jaybird...."Yep" I am wrong?  or "Yep" you agree??

Quote from: Spike on April 23, 2009, 01:48:37 AM
^ Jaybird...."Yep" I am wrong?  or "Yep" you agree??

That you're wrong.

One of my pet peeves is CAP members thinking that uniformed military members are not welcome at CAP meetings (especially Air Force).

The CAP regs are pretty specific about the activities where a CAP uniform is required.

Quote from: jaybird512 on April 23, 2009, 04:39:39 AM

Quote from: Spike on April 23, 2009, 01:48:37 AM
^ Jaybird...."Yep" I am wrong?  or "Yep" you agree??

That you're wrong.

One of my pet peeves is CAP members thinking that uniformed military members are not welcome at CAP meetings (especially Air Force).

The CAP regs are pretty specific about the activities where a CAP uniform is required.

I don't have a problem with uniformed service folks showing up to meetings to visit. I do consider it inappropriate for  members to be conducting CAP business in a uniformed service uniform.

39-1 states that a CAP uniform will be worn for CAP business. An Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, Coast Guard, NOAA, or PHS member needs to wear a CAP uniform if they're a CAP member. And it's not limited to just those, it should apply to all other uniforms as well. We're CAP, not some conglomeration of various uniformed jobs (even though that's what we may look like).

And one of my pet peeves is some of our local Air Force members showing up in their AD uniform (flight suit) at our meetings (and at all flight activities until told several times to wear a CAP uniform).  The claim they are just getting off work is a bit too lame when you know they were off work for several hours prior to the meeting.  

I mean really, swapping one flight suit for another is just a matter of minutes.  If you are in BDUs or blues, then it is just a matter of swapping shirts.  It really boils down to showing respect for the organization you are in.

Quote from: jaybird512 on April 23, 2009, 04:39:39 AM

Quote from: Spike on April 23, 2009, 01:48:37 AM
^ Jaybird...."Yep" I am wrong?  or "Yep" you agree??

That you're wrong.

One of my pet peeves is CAP members thinking that uniformed military members are not welcome at CAP meetings (especially Air Force).

The CAP regs are pretty specific about the activities where a CAP uniform is required.

So, just for clarification... are you saying that if someone is a CAP member and also a member of the military (AD, Reserve, NG), that they are allowed to wear their military uniform to CAP meetings and activities instead of their CAP uniform?

Quote from: Short Field on April 23, 2009, 04:57:53 AM
I mean really, swapping one flight suit for another is just a matter of minutes. 

Or in some cases, simply swapping out a couple patches.

Quote from: DBlair on April 23, 2009, 05:00:32 AMSo, just for clarification... are you saying that if someone is a CAP member and also a member of the military (AD, Reserve, NG), that they are allowed to wear their military uniform to CAP meetings and activities instead of their CAP uniform?

No, he was saying it is not okay.  The CAP Uniform Regulation makes it clear that if you are a CAP member and conducting CAP business, i.e. a meeting, flying activity or SAREX, you need to be wearing a CAP uniform, which to me means, you don't wear your military uniform.

On a very rare ocassion in DCWG (home of DOD), we would have one of our members show up in their military duty uniform.  But 95% of the time all of our seniors showed up in the CAP military style uniform of the day.  And at least 50% of our members were AD/RES/ANG tyeps.  Everyone else was retired military/government. 

I wear the Corp style blues..... I don't like the grays, just my pref 8)

I wear the AF style service uniform the most.

I wear blue's the majority of the year( sometimes with a tie), and BDU's only when a physical activity is set. Being in a flight grade and then field grade I think it would be to much hassle to keep changing the grade insignia on the BDU.

Blues rock, only if i could wear my ACU oOoOh that would be nice

Quote from: Stonewall on April 23, 2009, 12:58:12 PM

Quote from: Short Field on April 23, 2009, 04:57:53 AM
I mean really, swapping one flight suit for another is just a matter of minutes. 

Or in some cases, simply swapping out a couple patches.

Quote from: DBlair on April 23, 2009, 05:00:32 AMSo, just for clarification... are you saying that if someone is a CAP member and also a member of the military (AD, Reserve, NG), that they are allowed to wear their military uniform to CAP meetings and activities instead of their CAP uniform?

No, he was saying it is not okay.  The CAP Uniform Regulation makes it clear that if you are a CAP member and conducting CAP business, i.e. a meeting, flying activity or SAREX, you need to be wearing a CAP uniform, which to me means, you don't wear your military uniform.

On a very rare ocassion in DCWG (home of DOD), we would have one of our members show up in their military duty uniform.  But 95% of the time all of our seniors showed up in the CAP military style uniform of the day.  And at least 50% of our members were AD/RES/ANG tyeps.  Everyone else was retired military/government.

Stonewall he was clearly saying I was wrong, and he thinks it is OK to wear military uniforms while conducting CAP business. 

With all these clarifications, I am now hopelessly confused. You can wear a girl scout uniform to a CAP meeting if you want, but you need to wear a CAP uniform (of some kind) if you are in front of Cadets, flying driving, and other duties mandated by regulation. We don't discriminate against members merely because they are actual members of the Air Force and come by after work in duty clothes. We frequently have a Senior show up in his fire chief uniform too. Military Uniforms are not the UOTD. SM's usuallly wear their military Mess Dress to formal activities if they are active duty.

Major Lord

Quote from: Spike on April 23, 2009, 04:43:58 PM

Quote from: Stonewall on April 23, 2009, 12:58:12 PM

Quote from: Short Field on April 23, 2009, 04:57:53 AM
I mean really, swapping one flight suit for another is just a matter of minutes. 

Or in some cases, simply swapping out a couple patches.

Quote from: DBlair on April 23, 2009, 05:00:32 AMSo, just for clarification... are you saying that if someone is a CAP member and also a member of the military (AD, Reserve, NG), that they are allowed to wear their military uniform to CAP meetings and activities instead of their CAP uniform?

No, he was saying it is not okay.  The CAP Uniform Regulation makes it clear that if you are a CAP member and conducting CAP business, i.e. a meeting, flying activity or SAREX, you need to be wearing a CAP uniform, which to me means, you don't wear your military uniform.

On a very rare ocassion in DCWG (home of DOD), we would have one of our members show up in their military duty uniform.  But 95% of the time all of our seniors showed up in the CAP military style uniform of the day.  And at least 50% of our members were AD/RES/ANG tyeps.  Everyone else was retired military/government.

Stonewall he was clearly saying I was wrong, and he thinks it is OK to wear military uniforms while conducting CAP business.

With all the quotes and so forth, it has become a bit confusing, but if you were referring to me, I wasn't saying that you were wrong. In fact, I strongly agree that if someone is at a CAP activity or otherwise conducting CAP business, they should be in a CAP uniform.

I posed the question as a manner of clarification as I could foresee someone down the road pulling the "...but I read it on the web" excuse and so I wanted to clarify the issue before it brewed the wrong information.

Yeah, I'm confused too.  (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0005.gif)

I wear whatever the cadets wear, which is usually BDUs. For whatever reason, the senior members at my squadron don't have any prescribed UOD nor is there any fuss if they don't show up in uniform.

I once attended the AF Space Command fam course as a staff (senior) member.  The activity commander was active duty AF (capt) and CAP (maj).   Due to some of the activities (and that we were using an Air Force van) he had to keep swapping shirts and caps.  It got confusing after a while.  You really had to look as to whether he was a capt or major!  I would have preferred he just stayed in the AF uniform.   It was almost insane the way he was trying to keep up with the requirement to wear the CAP uniform for a CAP activity.

You'll find me in a polo much of the time, since meetings are by far the most common activity.  I usually pull out the BDU's for SAREX's.  Blues only seem to make it out of the closet for wing conferences, banquets, and change of command ceremonies.  That's my uniform mileage with about 2 years in CAP.

My first stint in CAP was all about olive drab.  Sometimes I wish we still had those! 

Quote from: Major Lord on April 23, 2009, 05:04:21 PM
We don't discriminate against members merely because they are actual members of the Air Force and come by after work in duty clothes.

They are no different than anyone else and are expected to show up in the CAP uniform specified for that activity by the squadron commander whether or not they're flying or whether or not there are cadets around -- if the squadron commander tells his unit to wear the CAP uniform to a meeting, that is what they're supposed to wear.

We have a guard member who likes to show up in his ACUs; I guess to impress the cadets. We call him "private" and tell him he's a squadron guest as long as he's out of uniform.

We had a C/2Lt a couple years ago that joined the National Guard. After he came back from basic, he started coming to meetings wearing his ACUs. He said that he was coming straight to the meeting from drill.  What he didn't know was that I was friends of his 1st Sgt. 

After the second time, I told him that the meetings were a CAP activity, not a NG activity. I finally had to make him sign in as visitor if he was in the ACUs and reminded him that he could observe, but not participate if in ACUs.  I also instructed the other cadets to address him as Private if he was in the ACUs.  He was not a happy camper after that.

Quote from: LtCol057 on April 24, 2009, 01:34:14 AM
I also instructed the other cadets to address him as Private if he was in the ACUs.  He was not a happy camper after that.

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We are guests of Travis AFB and are not about to tell people who live there what to wear. Many people make it to meetings in civvies, and no one is ever discouraged from coming to a regular meeting. We encourage new members to buy a set of BDU's since that is what the Cadets wear 99% of the time, or at least a polo shirt alternative. Naturally, Cadet programs people wear uniforms, since they are the most active and enthusiastic members of the Sq.

Hey, if a senior comes to a meeting out of uniform 3-4 times a year I've got no big problem with that.  Things happen and I'm glad they made the time to come. 

Where that crosses the line into being a problem is going to be different in everybody's book. 

Quote from: Major Lord on April 23, 2009, 05:04:21 PM
With all these clarifications, I am now hopelessly confused. You can wear a girl scout uniform to a CAP meeting if you want, but you need to wear a CAP uniform (of some kind) if you are in front of Cadets, flying driving, and other duties mandated by regulation. We don't discriminate against members merely because they are actual members of the Air Force and come by after work in duty clothes. We frequently have a Senior show up in his fire chief uniform too. Military Uniforms are not the UOTD. SM's usuallly wear their military Mess Dress to formal activities if they are active duty.

Major Lord

This is about the closest summation of my meaning.  As unclear as we all are on it now.

The CAP regulations specify when the CAP uniform must be worn, but don't immediately spout off with "Hey, you can't wear that to our meetings, there, slick...".

Common sense and good judgement.