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General Discussion => The Lobby => Topic started by: mfantroy on April 11, 2009, 02:02:23 AM

Title: finding CEMS
Post by: mfantroy on April 11, 2009, 02:02:23 AM
I was just given my Squadron Communications book and made the Communications Officer.  I noticed there is CEMS that will tell me all the comms equipment assigned to my squadron, and the link I found on the wing site takes me to the NTC. I can't find anything on there about CEMS. the question I have is this something that my commander has to give me access to in e services??

Thanks!

Mark
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: Eclipse on April 11, 2009, 02:21:56 AM
Were you assigned via hardcopy CAPF 2a and have accepted responsibility for the equipment?  Comms is one of the few positions that still requires you do that in most states.

Also, in most states the DC's have the keys to CEMS, and your assignment as Comm Officer will trigger giving you a login there.

Once you have a login, you'd use it here: https://ntc.cap.af.mil/login.cfm

Its not linked to eServices.
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: SarDragon on April 11, 2009, 02:24:30 AM
Depending on your wing, your Wing DC might be the one who needs to grant you permissions. In my wing, that is the case, and only folks at the group level or above have access. It is not associated at all with eServices.
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: mfantroy on April 11, 2009, 02:31:51 AM
That explains a lot! the 2A has been filed but having some conflicts getting the BCUT/ACUT training done, so I have not accepted responsibility for the equipment until the class is taken. Thanks!

I have a log in for https://ntc.cap.af.mil/login.cfm but once I log in I can't find anything about CEMS
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: arajca on April 11, 2009, 02:37:21 AM
1. If you are logged into Eservices, there is a link to the NTC that does not require a separate login.

2. Once on the NTC page, select "Communications" in the left column. That will bring up the Communications Menu. You should see a link to "Communications Equipment Management System (CEMS)". Click it. See what you have available on the left. You want to be able to use the "Reports" menu. That is where you get your S-8 report from. If you can't get to it, contact your wing DC and request the access. If he refuses to grant it, request a copy of your unit's S-8 report from him.

3. Assignments in Eservices do not notify the wing DC. A CAPF 2A sent to wing does not get automatically forwarded to the wing DC. Your best bet is to contact him directly.

4. The reason Comm still requires a CAPF 2A is the inventory requirement. Logistics aslo requires a CAPF 2A for the same reason.

5. Only the wing DC can grant access to CEMS. There are various levels of access. For example, I typically grant the unit DC's Report Read-only and Equipment Assignment. This lets them generate S-8 reports as needed and lets them assign equipment to members or locations. These assignments then show up on the S-8 report. Makes my job as wing DC easier.
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: mfantroy on April 11, 2009, 02:45:52 AM
That is what I was looking for..  Thanks! I will talk with my Commander, I don't want to start doing end rounds with the chain of command.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: Eclipse on April 11, 2009, 02:45:55 AM
Quote from: mmcwilliams on April 11, 2009, 02:31:51 AM
That explains a lot! the 2A has been filed but having some conflicts getting the BCUT/ACUT training done, so I have not accepted responsibility for the equipment until the class is taken. Thanks!

I have a log in for https://ntc.cap.af.mil/login.cfm but once I log in I can't find anything about CEMS

Until you have completed A-Cut training, you cannot be assigned as the comm officer for the unit, so that assignment, and related responsibility for the equipment, will need to remain with the current comm officer or the unit CC.

Only members with valid A-Cuts can be issued equipment and/or take responsibility for unit assigned equipment.
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: mfantroy on April 11, 2009, 02:56:23 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on April 11, 2009, 02:45:55 AM
Quote from: mmcwilliams on April 11, 2009, 02:31:51 AM
That explains a lot! the 2A has been filed but having some conflicts getting the BCUT/ACUT training done, so I have not accepted responsibility for the equipment until the class is taken. Thanks!

I have a log in for https://ntc.cap.af.mil/login.cfm but once I log in I can't find anything about CEMS

Until you have completed A-Cut training, you cannot be assigned as the comm officer for the unit, so that assignment, and related responsibility for the equipment, will need to remain with the current comm officer or the unit CC.

Only members with valid A-Cuts can be issued equipment and/or take responsibility for unit assigned equipment.

That is what we are waiting on, the person who normal does the training has been very busy, so I am pretty much at his mercy to hold a training!

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: cap235629 on April 11, 2009, 06:22:44 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on April 11, 2009, 02:45:55 AM
Quote from: mmcwilliams on April 11, 2009, 02:31:51 AM
That explains a lot! the 2A has been filed but having some conflicts getting the BCUT/ACUT training done, so I have not accepted responsibility for the equipment until the class is taken. Thanks!

I have a log in for https://ntc.cap.af.mil/login.cfm but once I log in I can't find anything about CEMS

Until you have completed A-Cut training, you cannot be assigned as the comm officer for the unit, so that assignment, and related responsibility for the equipment, will need to remain with the current comm officer or the unit CC.

Only members with valid A-Cuts can be issued equipment and/or take responsibility for unit assigned equipment.

Citation please?
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: arajca on April 11, 2009, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: mmcwilliams on April 11, 2009, 02:56:23 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on April 11, 2009, 02:45:55 AM
Quote from: mmcwilliams on April 11, 2009, 02:31:51 AM
That explains a lot! the 2A has been filed but having some conflicts getting the BCUT/ACUT training done, so I have not accepted responsibility for the equipment until the class is taken. Thanks!

I have a log in for https://ntc.cap.af.mil/login.cfm but once I log in I can't find anything about CEMS

Until you have completed A-Cut training, you cannot be assigned as the comm officer for the unit, so that assignment, and related responsibility for the equipment, will need to remain with the current comm officer or the unit CC.

Only members with valid A-Cuts can be issued equipment and/or take responsibility for unit assigned equipment.

That is what we are waiting on, the person who normal does the training has been very busy, so I am pretty much at his mercy to hold a training!

Thanks guys.
Can you take it at another unit?
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: Eclipse on April 11, 2009, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: cap235629 on April 11, 2009, 06:22:44 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on April 11, 2009, 02:45:55 AM
Quote from: mmcwilliams on April 11, 2009, 02:31:51 AM
That explains a lot! the 2A has been filed but having some conflicts getting the BCUT/ACUT training done, so I have not accepted responsibility for the equipment until the class is taken. Thanks!

I have a log in for https://ntc.cap.af.mil/login.cfm but once I log in I can't find anything about CEMS

Until you have completed A-Cut training, you cannot be assigned as the comm officer for the unit, so that assignment, and related responsibility for the equipment, will need to remain with the current comm officer or the unit CC.

Only members with valid A-Cuts can be issued equipment and/or take responsibility for unit assigned equipment.

Citation please?


Quote from: CAPR 20-1, page 30-31
Communications Officer
Manages and directs communications activities. They shall:
Develop and implement communications plans, programs, and directives in close coordination and in support of command, operations and emergency services.
Establish requirements and track acquisition and disposition of communication equipment in coordination with logistics.
Coordinate communications plans and programs with other staff agencies and with subordinate and higher headquarters.
Develop detailed operating procedures for communications operations and guidance to subordinate units and personnel.
Collect and report data to determine the effectiveness of communications operations.
Coordinate licensing or frequency authorizations for all radio operations.
Develop communications training programs.
CAPR 20-1 (E) 31
Coordinate communications conferences, meetings, and workshops.
Monitor unit communications.
Establish programs to maintain and operate unit radio equipment.
The communications officer should having a working knowledge of CAPP 214 and CAP directives in the 50, 55, 67, and 100 series and the NTIA manual of regulations and procedures for Federal Radio Frequency Management.

Granted, I suppose my statement should have had the caveat of "in many states", etc., but seriously, how effective is a Comm Officer going to be if they can't even turn on a radio independent of supervision?

So I'll grant I could not find a national-level cite for this, but I would argue its self-actualizing anyway - like arguing you could be the POC of a CAP vehicle without a CAP driver's license.
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: mfantroy on April 11, 2009, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: arajca on April 11, 2009, 01:13:08 PMCan you take it at another unit?

Yea but I am thinking there are very few people who teach the class. I think the current plan is to take it with another unit late this month if I don't get in touch with the guy before then.
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: cap235629 on April 16, 2009, 05:09:19 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on April 11, 2009, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: cap235629 on April 11, 2009, 06:22:44 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on April 11, 2009, 02:45:55 AM
Quote from: mmcwilliams on April 11, 2009, 02:31:51 AM
That explains a lot! the 2A has been filed but having some conflicts getting the BCUT/ACUT training done, so I have not accepted responsibility for the equipment until the class is taken. Thanks!

I have a log in for https://ntc.cap.af.mil/login.cfm but once I log in I can't find anything about CEMS

Until you have completed A-Cut training, you cannot be assigned as the comm officer for the unit, so that assignment, and related responsibility for the equipment, will need to remain with the current comm officer or the unit CC.

Only members with valid A-Cuts can be issued equipment and/or take responsibility for unit assigned equipment.

Citation please?


Quote from: CAPR 20-1, page 30-31
Communications Officer
Manages and directs communications activities. They shall:
Develop and implement communications plans, programs, and directives in close coordination and in support of command, operations and emergency services.
Establish requirements and track acquisition and disposition of communication equipment in coordination with logistics.
Coordinate communications plans and programs with other staff agencies and with subordinate and higher headquarters.
Develop detailed operating procedures for communications operations and guidance to subordinate units and personnel.
Collect and report data to determine the effectiveness of communications operations.
Coordinate licensing or frequency authorizations for all radio operations.
Develop communications training programs.
CAPR 20-1 (E) 31
Coordinate communications conferences, meetings, and workshops.
Monitor unit communications.
Establish programs to maintain and operate unit radio equipment.
The communications officer should having a working knowledge of CAPP 214 and CAP directives in the 50, 55, 67, and 100 series and the NTIA manual of regulations and procedures for Federal Radio Frequency Management.

Granted, I suppose my statement should have had the caveat of "in many states", etc., but seriously, how effective is a Comm Officer going to be if they can't even turn on a radio independent of supervision?

So I'll grant I could not find a national-level cite for this, but I would argue its self-actualizing anyway - like arguing you could be the POC of a CAP vehicle without a CAP driver's license.

You only need BCUT to operate unsupervised. 
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: Eeyore on April 16, 2009, 05:56:22 AM
ACUT gives you a Wing call sign.
Title: Re: finding CEMS
Post by: JoeTomasone on April 16, 2009, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: edmo1 on April 16, 2009, 05:56:22 AM
ACUT gives you a Wing call sign.

It is required to HOLD a callsign, it doesn't GRANT you a callsign.