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Cadet Programs => Cadet Programs Management & Activities => Topic started by: AirAux on April 05, 2009, 01:39:16 PM

Title: SDA's??
Post by: AirAux on April 05, 2009, 01:39:16 PM
I recently discovered that some squadrons are not requiring cadets to do SDA's for advancement as cadet officers.  This seems troublesome as it is a requirement for the advancement/promotions of cadet officers.  Does your squadron require SDA's?   
Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: Eclipse on April 05, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
There are units that don't do PT, pencil whip SQTRs, and commit all manner of other program atrocities - that doesn't change the requirements, and the hammer should come down on those commanders hard when its discovered.
Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: DC on April 05, 2009, 03:32:06 PM
Of course, they are required...

SDAs are a big part of the program for Phase III and IV cadets, you are not doing them any favors by not making cadets do them. They require the cadets to work with SMs and learn more about how the squadron operates, as well as demonstate their ability to think and effectively use written communication.
Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: jimmydeanno on April 05, 2009, 03:34:27 PM
Are they not doing the actual SDA or are they not doing the staff service?
Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: Turtle1 on April 05, 2009, 06:53:15 PM
Our squadron does have our cadets do the SDA and the actual staff service.  I believe that having them do them will make them better Cadet Officers and when they do enter the Senior part of the program they will have a better idea of what they would like to do.  I have heard of some squadrons who do not- their excuse is that once the Cadet receives his 2ND Lt. he will no longer progress in the program if he has to do the SDAs.  Overall this falls into an integrity issue, if the cadet does not do them and the testing officer does not require them for the next promotion then they are both lacking in integrity.
Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: Eclipse on April 05, 2009, 08:58:30 PM
Quote from: Turtle1 on April 05, 2009, 06:53:15 PMI have heard of some squadrons who do not- their excuse is that once the Cadet receives his 2ND Lt. he will no longer progress in the program if he has to do the SDAs. 

These cadets should continue to be referred to then as "2d Lt's", and after too long a period of no progression, "former cadets."
Quote from: Turtle1 on April 05, 2009, 06:53:15 PMI have heard of some squadrons
Overall this falls into an integrity issue, if the cadet does not do them and the testing officer does not require them for the next promotion then they are both lacking in integrity.

I would say its an integrity issue for the cadets, and verifiable fraud for the seniors involved, and grounds for termination of both, including the cadets, who know exactly what they are getting away with.   >:(



Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: DC on April 05, 2009, 10:03:55 PM
Quote from: Turtle1 on April 05, 2009, 06:53:15 PM
Our squadron does have our cadets do the SDA and the actual staff service.  I believe that having them do them will make them better Cadet Officers and when they do enter the Senior part of the program they will have a better idea of what they would like to do.  I have heard of some squadrons who do not- their excuse is that once the Cadet receives his 2ND Lt. he will no longer progress in the program if he has to do the SDAs.  Overall this falls into an integrity issue, if the cadet does not do them and the testing officer does not require them for the next promotion then they are both lacking in integrity.
If a cadet stagnates in the program because they are not capable of completing an SDA, then they should not be a cadet officer, as they are obviously not ready. I have found the requirements for most SDAs are no worse than what a high school upperclassmen should have to deal with on a frequent basis, I really don't understand what so many cadets find so difficult about them (other than that they require more effort than reading a chapter in a book and taking a 25 question test...). If a cadet fails to progress because they are too lazy to meet the requirements, you shouldn't make it easier for them, you should motivate them to do it.
Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: Eclipse on April 06, 2009, 03:14:36 AM
Quote from: DC on April 05, 2009, 10:03:55 PMI really don't understand what so many cadets find so difficult about them (other than that they require more effort than reading a chapter in a book and taking a 25 question test...). If a cadet fails to progress because they are too lazy to meet the requirements, you shouldn't make it easier for them, you should motivate them to do it.

The answer is in your question.

Far too much, and increasingly so, of the "learning" our kids are doing today is test-focused for things like NCLB, and far too little is subjective like essays.
Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: Michael on April 17, 2009, 04:35:26 AM
My squadron indeed does SDAs. 

In fact, we often go through the actual position long before the SDA is written, due to our size.

I was able to draw on several years of experience when writing some of mine, which was nice.
Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: USADOD on April 17, 2009, 05:26:11 AM
SDA's have always been mandatory with my squadron. Hmph, did I miss the optional section in the regs?
Title: Re: SDA's??
Post by: CadetProgramGuy on April 17, 2009, 08:49:18 AM
Quote from: USADOD on April 17, 2009, 05:26:11 AM
SDA's have always been mandatory with my squadron. Hmph, did I miss the optional section in the regs?

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Aparently there are optional regs.  Have you seen some of the Uniforms lately?

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