If a Cadet earned the basic Communications badge and then later became a Senior Member, what additional requirements would be needed in order to officially have a Technician rating as a Senior Member?
As long as the now Senior Member met all the requirements as a cadet, and/or meets them now, the commander just has to put it into eSerivices and it's official.
I technically earned the comm badge as a cadet but because I was transferring to SM not too long afterwards, I waited until then to make it all official. IIRC, all my commander had to do was put me in for a Tech Rating in Comm through eServices and it took effect immediately.
Quote from: DBlair on March 25, 2009, 09:51:55 PM
If a Cadet earned the basic Communications badge and then later became a Senior Member, what additional requirements would be needed in order to officially have a Technician rating as a Senior Member?
This is how it works if a Cadet earns the IT tech badge. As a Cadet, it doesn't translate into the full tech raiting, and when they transfer to The Dark Side, they lose is, unless they complete the further requirements that C/ITO's didn't need to do.
From what I've heard from a few people, there is the issue of some sort of extra requirements that are needed in order to officially receive the Tech rating, but looking over the CAPPs and so forth, I cannot find any additional requirements that would not have been fulfilled when originally earnng the Comm badge as a Cadet.
I just went though this with NHQ last week.
I earned a master raiting in communications as a cadet. As long as you have the \paperwork then it just needs to be put into eSerivices.
For IT you do not earn the raiting as a cadet you are only able to wear the badge (as a cadet only)
QuoteCadets who serve as Cadet Information Technology Officers (C/ITO) are not eligible to earn the IT specialty
rating. However, those cadets who serve in this capacity for a minimum of one year and complete the required duties may be
authorized to wear the basic IT Specialty Badge for the duration of their cadet membership upon approval of their wing commander
(authority may be delegated). The authority to wear the badge may be documented by completion of a CAPF 2a, Request for and
Approval of Personnel Actions, and retained in the cadet's personnel file. The wear of the badge as a cadet does not translate to the earned technician rating once a cadet becomes a senior member.
Cadets who become senior members will need to complete all of the requirements established at the time that they complete the
training as a senior member. CAPP 227 page 9
Basically you have to redo everything as a senior
Quote from: caprr275 on March 26, 2009, 12:08:41 AM
I earned a master raiting in communications as a cadet.
How does one earn any rating in comm as a cadet? The technician rating requires completion of LVL 1 of the senior program, the Senior Rating requires LVL 2 and the Master requires LVL 3...
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 26, 2009, 12:32:14 AM
Quote from: caprr275 on March 26, 2009, 12:08:41 AM
I earned a master raiting in communications as a cadet.
How does one earn any rating in comm as a cadet? The technician rating requires completion of LVL 1 of the senior program, the Senior Rating requires LVL 2 and the Master requires LVL 3...
That's the "additional requirements" mentioned in the OP. They must complete those as a Senior Member before they can actually achieve the rating. Cadet just get to wear the badge...IIRC
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 26, 2009, 12:32:14 AM
Quote from: caprr275 on March 26, 2009, 12:08:41 AM
I earned a master raiting in communications as a cadet.
How does one earn any rating in comm as a cadet? The technician rating requires completion of LVL 1 of the senior program, the Senior Rating requires LVL 2 and the Master requires LVL 3...
CAPR 100-1 specifically allows and encourages cadets to earn all levels of the comm badge. They complete everything but the senior member training program. When a cadet turns senior, I would expect that all they would have to do is pass the particular SMTP steps to regain their ratings. Although, I doubt too many would have much of a fuss about them continuing to wear the badge during the interim.
QuoteCAPR 100-1 4-7. Cadet Eligibility for Communicator Badge/Patch. Cadets are encouraged to pursue each level of the communicator badges. To do so, cadets must meet all the training requirements listed in the appropriate section of CAPP 214 with the exception of the portions specifically intended for the senior member training program. Application is made in same manner as detailed in para 4-6 above
When you become a senior member you dont have to go back and do it for Communications. This also is the case with ES and Safety
Quote from: caprr275 on March 26, 2009, 04:08:51 AM
When you become a senior member you dont have to go back and do it for Communications. This also is the case with ES and Safety
Cadets can't earn the safety badge. The only specialty track badges that cadets can earn are Communications, ES, and IT.
Cadets can wear the IT badge but they did not get the Raiting.
Cadets CAN get the raiting in Comm and ES (i though Saftey but i cant find it in the reg anymore...maybe it changed)
Cadets also get these raitings once they become seniors:
QuoteCredit will be awarded to former cadets based on specific accomplishments. Those members who earned the Earhart Award may receive the technician rating in the Cadet Programs Officer specialty training track. Members who have earned the Eaker Award may be awarded completion of SLS, the CAP Senior Officer Course, and Level II. In addition, members who earned the Spaatz Award may be awarded the senior rating in the Cadet Programs Officer specialty training track and the Yeager Award
Quote from: caprr275 on March 26, 2009, 04:16:18 PM
Cadets can wear the IT badge but they did not get the Raiting.
Cadets CAN get the raiting in Comm and ES (i though Saftey but i cant find it in the reg anymore...maybe it changed)
Cadets don't get any of the
ratings until they become senior members. They can wear the badge, but they don't hold a rating.
From the CAP Knowledgebase:
QuoteCadets can earn and wear certain specialty badges although they do not receive the technician rating until they complete the requirements as senior members. There are some positions which have age limitations which would prohibit cadets from holding certain jobs.
Also, from CAPR 35-6:
QuoteParagraph 2. Requirements for Award of Emergency Services (ES) Qualification Badges:
a. CAP Basic Emergency Services Qualification Badge: Complete all requirements of CAPP 213, Emergency Services Officer-Specialty Track Study Guide, Technician Rating. Note: Cadets can earn the Basic Emergency Services Qualification Badge as they can complete all of the requirements for this rating, though they cannot officially receive the Technician Rating until they become a senior member.
It all goes along with and stems from a basic rule of professional development in CAP that cadets have their program, seniors have theirs. PD training is really geared towards what senior members are doing on a daily basis. Cadets have their own excluse awards, we need to have some things exclusively for senior members as well (such as specialty track badges).
(from CAPR 50-17):
QuoteThe Professional Development Program is designed to prepare senior members for immediate duty. Therefore, while cadets in good standing who meet the prerequisites may attend a professional development activity, space permitting, they will not receive credit for attendance as a senior member
Also, in regards to the credit for PD requirements based on cadet achievements, it must be requested in writing, and is approved on a case by case basis.
at summer NB there is going to be a proposal to alow cadets to do most of the specitly tracks...
Quote from: caprr275 on March 26, 2009, 10:44:35 PM
at summer NB there is going to be a proposal to alow cadets to do most of the specitly tracks...
I assume if that went through - it would the the same as with the current IT, ES & Comm badges, that which a Cadet gives up upon turning senior?
Quote from: caprr275 on March 26, 2009, 10:44:35 PM
at summer NB there is going to be a proposal to alow cadets to do most of the specitly tracks...
Is there a similar proposal in the works to allow senior members to attend SUPTFC, PJOC, NFA, COS, or NBB as students so we can wear their bling too?
Sorry, the cadets have their exclusive program and awards, we should be allowed to have ours as well.
There has been some talk about bring back a senior flight encampment, and senior flights at NBB
I believe there is already a senior flight for Hawk and NESA. but i could be wrong on that...
See you later today Slim
Quote from: caprr275 on March 27, 2009, 05:11:39 AM
I believe there is already a senior flight for Hawk and NESA. but i could be wrong on that...
There is for NESA, wouldn't surprise me if there was one for HAWK too.