I've looked that AF D&C manual. I've looked at the AFJROTC resources. But I need more to make sure my cadets are learning drill the RIGHT way. I find myself teaching them some stuff and getting some questions and getting stuck myself on the answer.
I tried getting some Phase IV cadets (former drill team member) to come over to my squadron to teach, but were unavailable. (AP classes and stuff)
<-Encampment->
<-NOT SO->
They sometimes teach stuff wrong there too.
Go to a different encampment.
We're having one in Illinois next month I can personally guarantee that the drill will be "up to par"
Otherwise, try
Cadetstuff.org
the only things that are hard to learn/teach are counter columns, and a lot of the ceremonial stuff.
What do you think you are getting wrong?
http://www.cadetstuff.org/archives/cat_drill.html
Quote from: stratoflyer on March 24, 2009, 03:40:11 AM
I've looked that AF D&C manual. I've looked at the AFJROTC resources. But I need more to make sure my cadets are learning drill the RIGHT way. I find myself teaching them some stuff and getting some questions and getting stuck myself on the answer.
I tried getting some Phase IV cadets (former drill team member) to come over to my squadron to teach, but were unavailable. (AP classes and stuff)
According to your profile, you are in Miami and so I figured I'd mention this to you. My unit (in Tampa) may be holding some sort (still early in planning stages) of weekend event focusing on drill and other basic skills and knowledge for new Cadets.
Another option is that I do come down to Miami/South Florida quite often and would certainly be willing to help train your Cadets in drill and so forth. I'm a former member of NJ Wing's NCC Drill Team from the 1990s (the team that won the NCC a bunch of times)- let me know if I can be of help.
Quote from: stratoflyer on March 24, 2009, 04:19:21 AM
<-NOT SO->
They sometimes teach stuff wrong there too.
Boy, oh boy, is THAT ever the truth! I saw sooooo many things at encampment
not being done according to the D&C manual that I was constantly shaking my head in disbelief. I brought many of the infractions to the attention of the C/Squadron CCs & Flight CCs, whom I was assigned to as a TAC at two separate encampments, who did their best to ensure
their squadrons/flights wouldn't make the same mistakes. How well it took I have no idea since I don't recall seeing too many of the cadets I worked with after the encampments. Why aren't the standard D&C requirements being followed to the letter at encampment? When so many cadets return and attempt to implement the same erroneous methods at the squadron level and then use the excuse "That's the way I was taught at encampment," when I ask why they're doing things a certain way,
that makes my blood boil. >:(
Did your squadron receive one of the drill instructional DVDs from NHQ? Those are pretty good for basic drill.
Quote from: IceNine on March 24, 2009, 04:26:53 AM
the only things that are hard to learn/teach are counter columns, and a lot of the ceremonial stuff.
Counter columns isn't in the AF drill manual. As for learning from the AFJROTC; when I was helping judge one of the schools they were using the Army and not the Air force drill manual.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 24, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
Did your squadron receive one of the drill instructional DVDs from NHQ? Those are pretty good for basic drill.
+1
Quote from: Pylon on March 24, 2009, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 24, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
Did your squadron receive one of the drill instructional DVDs from NHQ? Those are pretty good for basic drill.
+1
I saw a few segments from the DVD and I agree it does break things down pretty well.
Thanks for the suggestions and not just saying GO TO ENCAMPMENT.
We did get a copy of the DVD and looked at a portion. It was excellent! However, I understand that the color guard portion is not to be used with CAP as ours is different. And also, I didn't see if they show how to do more advanced drill like change step and columns. I think they only cover the basics.
I just took our copy with me home last night. I'm going to watch it in detail.
The other problem is that if I have a specific issue that I'd address here, to properly explain it, it would take paragraphs. But we'll see. I hope to keep this thread going for a long time.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 24, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
Did your squadron receive one of the drill instructional DVDs from NHQ? Those are pretty good for basic drill.
WHAT?!?! No I didn't even know this existed. Who do I need to "sleep" with to get one? Is this a Lafond deal?
You can call Air University directly and request a copy. They'll sell it to you.
Quote from: IceNine on March 25, 2009, 04:06:19 AM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on March 24, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
Did your squadron receive one of the drill instructional DVDs from NHQ? Those are pretty good for basic drill.
WHAT?!?! No I didn't even know this existed. Who do I need to "sleep" with to get one? Is this a Lafond deal?
The 328th got two in the mail at the end of last year. Received a letter with them stating they were available
(being sent) to all Cadet and Composite Squadrons. Check and see if the other squadrons in the group received them. Been a very handy tool for my new cadets.
Quote from: IceNine on March 25, 2009, 04:06:19 AM
WHAT?!?! No I didn't even know this existed. Who do I need to "sleep" with to get one? Is this a Lafond deal?
They were sent to every squadron with a few copies of the new Cadet Staff Guide about 6 months ago. NHQ has many copies and would probably be willing to part with one, assuming it was for your squadron. I don't think they want to get in the business of providing them to individual members.
However, I have a feeling that most/many of them did go into people's personal collections. Good resource though. It's a MTI centered on the screen that goes step by step through basic drill maneuvers. My cadet staff thought it was good. It have them a good idea on how to break down the instruction and gave a 'proper' translation of the manual in the confusing parts.
I always thought that a video program teaching drill distributed would be good for CAP. Anyone out there use the JROTC slides/workbook?That's more for vocab and the like.
I'm gonna watch the drill dvd right now after I hit the post button.