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Operations => Emergency Services & Operations => Topic started by: KyCAP on March 01, 2009, 10:03:09 PM

Title: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: KyCAP on March 01, 2009, 10:03:09 PM
I am seeing this on FoxNEWS and just started to wonder...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502785,00.html

Does FLWG ever interoperate with USCG for looking at the coast lines for missing craft as a force multiplier?   How does that work? Ever?
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: John Bryan on March 02, 2009, 02:42:33 AM
My guess is the USCG have enough resource in the St Pete area...they have a large air station there with fixed and rotor aircraft.

http://www.uscg.mil/d7/airstaClearwater/
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: RRLE on March 02, 2009, 04:19:17 AM
The USCG requires twin engine aircraft from the USCG Aux if they fly more then gliding distance from land. That would probably apply to CAP as well.
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: KyCAP on March 02, 2009, 04:35:43 AM
I saw that station while I was down in Pinellas County last month.   Big place.
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: isuhawkeye on March 02, 2009, 12:54:22 PM
unless I am mistaken CAF and the Air Force recently canceled the MOU between CAP and the CG Aux.  Can anyone confirm
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: RiverAux on March 02, 2009, 01:44:40 PM
The 2001 MOU is still on the CAP web page at http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/cap_national_hq/general_counsel/national_mous.cfm and there isn't any note about it being cancelled or lapsed (like there is for the Red Cross MOU). 
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: Gunner C on March 02, 2009, 05:37:04 PM
Fox News just reported that the CG has found the boat.   :clap:  No word on survivors.
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: Gunner C on March 02, 2009, 05:43:07 PM
Boat is overturned, one survivor is clinging to it.  Sounds bad.
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: Smithsonia on March 02, 2009, 05:56:41 PM
CNN update here:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/02/florida.missing.boaters/index.html
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: JoeTomasone on March 02, 2009, 08:15:16 PM
They've found one of the 4, 40 miles southwest of Clearwater.  He was apparently in the water since Saturday - fortunately the water is 60 degrees.

Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: RiverAux on March 04, 2009, 11:09:04 PM
Quote from: JoeTomasone on March 02, 2009, 08:15:16 PM
fortunately the water is 60 degrees.
Just means that you won't die quite as fast - 60 is more than cold enough to get you.  That guy was extremely lucky. 
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: BillB on March 05, 2009, 12:26:45 AM
Water temp was reported as 62. However the air temp after the cold front went through in the Tampa Bay area was in low 40's-high 30's.
Title: Re: Missing Florida Boaters
Post by: Gunner C on March 07, 2009, 08:04:29 PM
According to a report I heard, the three that were lost just gave up - took off their life jackets and floated away.  It could have been a reaction to hyperthermia, or after waiting for two days and not seeing land, they thought it was hopless and decided to end it.  Two of these guys were pro athletes and probably didn't have a great deal of body fat.  They may not have had a great deal of energy reserves.

Cold water, even in the 60s, can play with your mind.  In pre-SCUBA we had a 60 degree pool - the heat would just seep out of your body and you couldn't always think straight after 3 or 4 hours of swimming laps, bobbing, or crossovers.

This is very sad.  Too bad they weren't spotted sooner.  Kudos to the USCG for finding a very small needle in a very large haystack.