Can someone help me define the difference in what a full member and a Chaperone type member is and what each of them are allowed (authorized) to do. Also are the Chaperone type members authorized to Conduct squadron business (organize a event they will most likely need a MOU)? The event in question is a marathon. I am trying to clearly define this for a new Chaperone member ( I forget the correct membership type).
Senior, Cadet Sponsor Member, and Patron are the senior categories.
Cadet is all for youngsters.
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/u_120403111801.pdf
Take a look here it should help clarify your questions
I am asking for help in describing the regulation. They don't seem to understand what I am telling them. I have seen what you have linked in the reply below.
Patron member - no grade, uniforms, progression, or activity participation. May only attend activities when invited to do so. May not supervise cadets, or be issued or use (i.e. radios) CAP property or vehicles.
Member - requires Level 1 and CPPT - able to participate in all activities as training and qualifications permit.
Sponsor member - requires level 1 and CPPT - essentially a chaperon. Must be a parent, grandparent or guardian of a cadet. No grade or ES participation, may wear corporate uniform combination with restrictions (see 39-1). May be in supervision of cadets but may not hold any unit staff positions. Depending on wing may be able to drive CAP vehicles and fly as a passenger in CAP aircraft. May not be issued or use (i.e. radios) CAP property.
Membership ends when cadet leaves the program unless it is converted to full membership. May be converted to full membership with no additional cost (for that respective year).
Sponsor members are not generally allowed to conduct any squadron business as they have no authority within the command structure, and usually a limited knowledge of applicable regs. (As an FYI. MOU's may only be signed by a State Director).
OOps! made a mistake
Where exactly is the break-down in understanding?
Maybe this will help a little.
Cadet - Anyone 12-18. Can remain a cadet until their 21st birthday if they join before turning 18.
Senior Member - Primary category for adult members. These are active members who can participate in CAP activities, wear the uniform, and receive all benefits of senior membership
Cadet Sponsor Member (CSM) - These are the "den mothers/fathers" of CAP. They must be in the same unit as their child/grandchild/ward and must leave the program or convert to full senior member if their cadet leaves. They are allowed to drive corporate vans with a CAP DL, but may not participate in missions. They may wear CAP Distinctive uniforms ONLY. They may not wear AF style uniforms, earn rank, or earn awards.
Patron Member - Basically the same as senior member, only not active. Can still wear the uniform, can still wear the last rank earned, and can even be promoted as a patron member. There participation is limited primarily to attending social events. Once they meet the criteria to become active members, they can become active members and go to the Senior Member category above.
Retired - Really, I have no clue why CAP has this. This is for people who've been in a long time and want to quit CAP but want something special to hang on a wall.
Aerospace Ed Member (AEM) - This is basically to expose people to aviation, as far as I can tell. There are no real benefits to this membership. You cannot earn rank or awards, cannot wear the uniform, cannot serve in any staff position.
There are all the others like Legislative member, Congressional member, life member. These are special honorary type memberships which are more or less completely explained by there name.
EDIT: Eclipse beat me to it.
Actually, you ask a good question.
A Cadet Sponsor Member (CSM) is not allowed to conduct squadron business however, they may "organize" a squadron activity with the consent of the unit commander.
Now before anyone gets upset, my definition of "Organize" is to make phone calls, reservations, put gas in the van, etc. I don't mean obligate the unit in any way.
from CAPR 39-2
5-1. General. Cadet Sponsor Member (CSM) is a membership category established to allow parents, grandparents and guardians of current CAP cadets to assist their unit's cadet program by providing adult supervision, transportation, overnight chaperons, and any other CADET related tasks deemed necessary and proper by the unit commander. A cadet sponsor member is a financial supporter who maintains current membership through payment of annual dues, but does not participate in any capacity except as outlined below.
Quote from: jeders on February 17, 2009, 05:45:29 PM
Aerospace Ed Member (AEM) - This is basically to expose people to aviation, as far as I can tell. There are no real benefits to this membership. You cannot earn rank or awards, cannot wear the uniform, cannot serve in any staff position.
AEM's are primarily teachers from kindergarten through twelfth grade who want to promote aerospace education in their schools using CAP educational products and resources. For their annual membership dues, AEMs receive a membership certificate, lapel pin, periodic newsletters, special educational products, the opportunity to participate in CAP's School Aerospace Excellence Award Program, etc. To participate in the Fly a Teacher program, the teacher must be a AEM or SM.
The key here being the words "cadet related".
I've seen any number of sponsors who are put to work in roles clearly related to and directed at either the senior program or the unit as a whole, which is not appropriate. If they want to play with the adults, they should convert their membership - any silly notions about not wanting to wear a uniform or attain grade, etc., not withstanding.
There is no requirement anywhere that says you can't fully participate in all parts of CAP and still remain a SMWOG.
Okay...what sort of activities are we talking about?
If a CSM was to also be the logistics/admin/personnel officer....I see no problem with that.
If the CSM was to be the PD/Comm/ES/Leadership officer of a cadet squadron I see no problem with that either....but of a composite squadron I would have to agree with Eclipse, the individual needs to go full member.
If the CSM wanted to go out on ES missions....definite red flag there.
Quote from: lordmonar on February 17, 2009, 10:55:43 PM
Okay...what sort of activities are we talking about?
If a CSM was to also be the logistics/admin/personnel officer....I see no problem with that.
Me either...
other than it being specifically prohibited by regulation.
We been here before - CSM's are chaperons and drivers, nothing else. If they want to do more than that they should convert to full membership.
Before anyone says "where does it say that..."
Quote from: CAPR 39-2, Page 14
5-1. General. Cadet Sponsor Member (CSM) is a membership category established to allow parents, grandparents and guardians of current CAP cadets to assist their unit's cadet program by providing adult supervision, transportation, overnight chaperons, and any other CADET related tasks deemed necessary and proper by the unit commander. A cadet sponsor member is a financial supporter who maintains current membership through payment of annual dues, but does not participate in any capacity except as outlined below.
a. CSMs will pay annual national membership dues (see attachment 1 for actual amount required). They are exempt from paying region, wing, or squadron dues.
b. They receive a specially annotated membership card.
c. They must be assigned to the same unit as their cadet child, grandchild or ward.
d. They must complete Level I and Cadet Protection Program training prior to associating in any way with CAP cadets.
e. They may ride in or drive a corporate vehicle after receiving a CAP motor vehicle operator identification card in accordance with CAPR 77-1 and in support of their approved tasks.
f. They may ride (as a passenger only) on CAP air transportation if available.
g. CSMs may not act as crew members of CAP or privately owned aircraft in support of CAP events or missions.
h. They may wear any of the CAP distinctive uniforms if desired (and approved by unit commander). However, CSMs may not wear the Air Force-style uniform. If they do not wear a uniform, they will wear clothing appropriate for the circumstances and the distinctive nametag.
i. CSMs will not earn CAP rank, awards, or decorations.
j. Their membership stays in effect until their cadet leaves the CAP program for any reason.
5-2. Membership Eligibility. CSMs must be a parent, grandparent or legal guardian of an active CAP cadet and meet all the regular senior member eligibility criteria outlined in paragraph 3-2.
Emphasis mine.
Your emphasis conveniently missed the key phrase directly before it. I can add cleverly placed emphasis, too:
"...and any other CADET related tasks deemed necessary and proper by the unit commander."
Are maintaining a cadet personnel file and organizing cadet progression records "CADET related tasks"? Yes, they are.
Is entering CPFT scores into SIMS a "CADET related task"? Yes, it is.
Are organizing cadet uniforms and insignia, and keeping track of which cadets sign out loaner uniforms and accessories "CADET related tasks?" Yes, they are.
Are making arrangements for a cadet field trip and collecting cadet sign-ups "CADET related tasks?" Youbetchya.
How about taking pictures when a cadet receives a promotion? Yeah, that too.
So if it's deemed necessary and proper by the unit commander, those duties would indeed be a full-on green light to your helpful CSM.
Quote from: Pylon on February 17, 2009, 11:22:42 PM
Your emphasis conveniently missed the key phrase directly before it. I can add cleverly placed emphasis, too:
"...and any other CADET related tasks deemed necessary and proper by the unit commander."
Are maintaining a cadet personnel file and organizing cadet progression records "CADET related tasks"? Yes, they are.
Is entering CPFT scores into SIMS a "CADET related task"? Yes, it is.
Are organizing cadet uniforms and insignia, and keeping track of which cadets sign out loaner uniforms and accessories "CADET related tasks?" Yes, they are.
Are making arrangements for a cadet field trip and collecting cadet sign-ups "CADET related tasks?" Youbetchya.
How about taking pictures when a cadet receives a promotion? Yeah, that too.
So if it's deemed necessary and proper by the unit commander, those duties would indeed be a full-on green light to your helpful CSM.
Good use of color.
None of the above are staff positions in and of themselves, but sure CSMs can help out, however the further into "real" CAP work they go, the farther from the spirit of the CSM membership category your walking.
Why not just have them be full members, negate the argument, and then they can actually receive recognition for their work?
Quote from: Eclipse on February 17, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
Before anyone says "where does it say that..."
Quote from: CAPR 39-2, Page 14
5-1. General. Cadet Sponsor Member (CSM) is a membership category established to allow parents, grandparents and guardians of current CAP cadets to assist their unit's cadet program by providing adult supervision, transportation, overnight chaperons, and any other CADET related tasks deemed necessary and proper by the unit commander. A cadet sponsor member is a financial supporter who maintains current membership through payment of annual dues, but does not participate in any capacity except as outlined below.
a. CSMs will pay annual national membership dues (see attachment 1 for actual amount required). They are exempt from paying region, wing, or squadron dues.
b. They receive a specially annotated membership card.
c. They must be assigned to the same unit as their cadet child, grandchild or ward.
d. They must complete Level I and Cadet Protection Program training prior to associating in any way with CAP cadets.
e. They may ride in or drive a corporate vehicle after receiving a CAP motor vehicle operator identification card in accordance with CAPR 77-1 and in support of their approved tasks.
f. They may ride (as a passenger only) on CAP air transportation if available.
g. CSMs may not act as crew members of CAP or privately owned aircraft in support of CAP events or missions.
h. They may wear any of the CAP distinctive uniforms if desired (and approved by unit commander). However, CSMs may not wear the Air Force-style uniform. If they do not wear a uniform, they will wear clothing appropriate for the circumstances and the distinctive nametag.
i. CSMs will not earn CAP rank, awards, or decorations.
j. Their membership stays in effect until their cadet leaves the CAP program for any reason.
5-2. Membership Eligibility. CSMs must be a parent, grandparent or legal guardian of an active CAP cadet and meet all the regular senior member eligibility criteria outlined in paragraph 3-2.
Emphasis mine.
A prime exaple of how a fundementalist regs hound can get tripped up....
One paragraph says they can do any tasks needmed necessary and other pragraphy says they can't do any activities.
Bottom line.
National is not going to have coniptions if one of CSMs is doing paper work. They may have a fit if you try to make that person your admin officer (as would I)...but there is no reason why they can't help out...even go so far as to cooridinate and plan an activity.