I earned my Mitchell Award back in 1989. I lost my original certificate over the years and have since received a replacement. I noticed that on the replacement certificate, my award number is not present. How do I find out my Mitchell number?
Thanks again!
Paul
Me too. My replacement has a big 0 at the bottom and I got my original around 92.
This probably won't work for older awards, but is it possibly listed in E-Services.
Quote from: CASH172 on December 15, 2008, 03:39:05 AM
This probably won't work for older awards, but is it possibly listed in E-Services.
Mine shows up there but there's no number with it.
Remember the early Mitchells had NO number
the replacement i got form national did not have one either... but i still have all my cadet paperwork after all these years... funny right i even have to test results for my Curry Award!
In 1989, they had numbers (mine did in 1980). Typically, if they do not have the actual record of your number, they will send uot an un-numbered certificate. My Earhart (1981) has no number because I used an old CAP News award listing to show when I received it (Dec 1981).
Quote from: arajca on December 15, 2008, 03:58:04 AM
In 1989, they had numbers (mine did in 1980). Typically, if they do not have the actual record of your number, they will send uot an un-numbered certificate. My Earhart (1981) has no number because I used an old CAP News award listing to show when I received it (Dec 1981).
Holy Shmokes! I don't know why, but I thought you were a 20-something...
I try to hide it.
You would think they might actually keep track of such a thing...
I have a SMV and they havent tracked them either....
Quote from: jaybird512 on December 15, 2008, 04:18:00 AM
You would think they might actually keep track of such a thing...
I've got my number right, but the spelled my name wrong on my original back in June 1991. They had BOWDER, not BOWDEN for my last name. They told me Mr. Bowder would have to make contact with NHQ to confirm this mistake. I was floored. I thought she was joking. I'm like
"there is no Bowder, it's me, I'm the Mitchell recipient".
In 1995, literally while walking down the main concourse in the Pentagon (I was in the Army) I ran into BG Rich Anderson and Col Paul Bergman. Just so happens I had 2 of my cadets with me during their Spring break for a "shadow week" where they hung out in their blues. Anyway, BG Anderson was as shocked as we were to see CAP cadets in the P-gon. He bought us lunch and I told him this story about my Mitchell. He got me a new one signed by the right people.
Unfortunately, I actually lost that one in a move so I still have my original one where I used a pencil eraser and re-typed my name. True friggin story.
Prior to January 1979, Mitchell and Earhart awards were unnumbered.
So is there anyway to retrieve my number or is it now lost to time... :-[
Probably lost. There are paper records for a lot of that stuff, in storage. They do not have the capacity, or are unwilling to search through then.
Quote from: SarDragon on December 15, 2008, 08:08:10 PM
Probably lost. There are paper records for a lot of that stuff, in storage. They do not have the capacity, or are unwilling to search through then.
Mitchell Awards pre-electronic era are recorded at CAPNHQ in a 3 ring binder. Each awards page from each edition of CAP news was put in the binder. There aren't electronic searchable copies available (yet). So, when you call up and say "I want a replacement certificate, I earned my Mitchell somewhere between 1971 and 1978, they end up looking through all those pages manually.
A pretty good tactic would be to not lose the certificate in the first place ;D
My certificates were destroyed in a car accident. I have requested replacement copies but have not received any as of yet. I made the request about three weeks ago.....
Reading this thread I decided to go to eServices and look at my stuff, something I haven't done in over a year or so.
What happened to me being able to see my awards, encampments, etc.?
I few years ago I sent them a copy of my Mitchell and encampment certificates so they would be accurate. Now I don't even see an icon to click to view all that stuff.
Did it go away?
Quote from: Stonewall on December 15, 2008, 08:48:59 PM
What happened to me being able to see my awards, encampments, etc.?
www.capnhq.gov
login
left side, member search
enter your CAPID
click "view" to the right of your unit charter
click the "training" tab
Quote from: Sqn72DO on December 15, 2008, 08:37:12 PM
I made the request about three weeks ago.....
NHQ personnel are re-locating to another building right now. It'll probably be a little longer while they get things re-organized.
Got it. Thanks. I thought it was an option on the main screen.
Quote from: jimmydeanno on December 15, 2008, 08:35:24 PM
A pretty good tactic would be to not lose the certificate in the first place ;D
Easy concept in theory, but I have packed my stuff and moved no less than 12 times since then. You will be surprised the number of boxes that "walk away" over time..
Quote from: PaulR on December 16, 2008, 03:00:29 AM
Quote from: jimmydeanno on December 15, 2008, 08:35:24 PM
A pretty good tactic would be to not lose the certificate in the first place ;D
Easy concept in theory, but I have packed my stuff and moved no less than 12 times since then. You will be surprised the number of boxes that "walk away" over time..
Heck, I've lost my trainee of the cycle certificate and plaque from basic, honor graduate certificate from AIT, and jump school certificate. The loss of all three really chaps me. But I have every CAP certificate I've ever earned. ;D
Gunner
Quote from: major pain on December 15, 2008, 04:24:10 AM
I have a SMV and they havent tracked them either....
They track them through the NHQ records only. They have all of the "High Level or National Level" awards in a database. We are currently working on a master list for SMV and BMV recipients that can be checked online to verify. I have a good size list but not all. We are working on that as well. It will eventually be on a webpage for searching.
Does this list include Unit Citations?
this unit citation thing is killin me.... either you were there when the unit in question got it or you weren't!!!! stop ribbon trolling people!!!!!! IF YOU WERE NOT AT THE UNIT GROUP OR WING WHEN IT WAS AWARDED DONT WEAR THE FLIPPIN' THING.... ITS JUST A STINKIN RIBBION!!
Quote from: cnitas on December 16, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
Does this list include Unit Citations?
I am not sure I have never asked about them.
Quote from: major pain on December 16, 2008, 02:50:56 PM
this unit citation thing is killin me.... either you were there when the unit in question got it or you weren't!!!! stop ribbon trolling people!!!!!! IF YOU WERE NOT AT THE UNIT GROUP OR WING WHEN IT WAS AWARDED DONT WEAR THE FLIPPIN' THING.... ITS JUST A STINKIN RIBBION!!
They have cleared that up with the latest ICL from NHQ. You only wear it if you were part of the unit when it was awarded.
Quote from: caphistorian on December 16, 2008, 03:22:14 PM
Quote from: cnitas on December 16, 2008, 01:15:27 PM
Does this list include Unit Citations?
I am not sure I have never asked about them.
Quote from: major pain on December 16, 2008, 02:50:56 PM
this unit citation thing is killin me.... either you were there when the unit in question got it or you weren't!!!! stop ribbon trolling people!!!!!! IF YOU WERE NOT AT THE UNIT GROUP OR WING WHEN IT WAS AWARDED DONT WEAR THE FLIPPIN' THING.... ITS JUST A STINKIN RIBBION!!
They have cleared that up with the latest ICL from NHQ. You only wear it if you were part of the unit when it was awarded.
Yep that was my point! lol
Funny, I am a ribbon troll for asking national to provide the PAs required in the ICL? I am well aware how the UC works otherwise. Besides, if ribbons are unimportant bits of cloth, why do you post yours in your sig?
I have received the UC twice (I was in the awarded unit at the time). I have a 2a for the 1st award, and I do not have any documentation on the 2nd award. No PA, no 120, no 2a, just my personal knowledge that I was there as a member. Technically, neither meets the criteria of the ICL. Now, if I transfer, what should I do? If anyone questions me what should I do?
If my 'word' is good enough, then there are several more ribbons that I need to add to my stack. ::)
It would also be nice to be able to 'check' on other units, and to see how often, and in a perfect world, why units are receiving them.
Quote from: caphistoriaanI am not sure I have never asked about them.
Thank you!
don't take it personally, it just this whole UC thing is getting old and out of hand (and has been for years) if there was a UC awarded it will be in the wings PA records they all have to get the CC's signature on it before region and national will look at it!
Quote from: cnitas on December 16, 2008, 03:34:31 PM
Funny, I am a ribbon troll for asking national to provide the PAs required in the ICL? I am well aware how the UC works otherwise. Besides, if ribbons are unimportant bits of cloth, why do you post yours in your sig?
There's a major difference between looking for documentation for items that have been earned (and displayed proudly), and just looking to get a ribbon by any means necessary. I can think of one poster here in the last few months that went volunteering in a less than community oriented manner just to get a ribbon out of it. There's a lot of people that will sit and argue technicalities just to get a ribbon out of it, and the award was obviously intended in a far different spirit than the way they managed to get it.
I'm with Mark on this. I know for a fact that I was in a unit or at wing hq when a UC was awarded but like him, I have personal knowledge of the others. I only have complete paperwork for one.
And who is to know what is right or wrong when, as a cadet, you DO AS YOU'RE TOLD. Like me, as a 14 year old cadet, back when regs were not available on a computer, I was told while in my unit we all wore the unit citiation with two clasps. Probably came about from some old Army guy where that is the case (wear the unit's awards while in the unit). When I showed up to a different wing as a 20 year old senior member, I was then educated on the process.
I would like to see a database as well, but I am sure it's not a priority at NHQ, nor should it be. But it would be nice.
I personally don't have much confidence in Wing mainaining records that are more than 3-4 years old thanks to CAP's idiotic records retention policy that requires that most items be tossed fairly quickly.
When I moved to VA I requested my records be sent by my previous unit. I had only been gone for 2 months and my entire 6 year cadet record had been thrown away. In it was all the documentation for two of my CCAs, UCAs, community service, all my other cadet awards and decorations, etc.
Then my personnel officer in VA was horrible, half my senior stuff is missing. Oh well. In the grand scheme, it doesn't really matter...
My squadron has ALL are file dating back to 91' when are current admin officer joined. I guess my squadron goes against the trend of bad file keeping.
fella's stop taking generalizations personally, this is an argument that perdates me! the old UC and who can and can't wear it... .do i have to go back to kinder gentler touchy feely school or something?
No where in my post did i say "Hey (insert your name here), your a ribbon troll, grow up!
Nope.... so if my statement wasn't applicable to you; meaning that shoe didn't fit you... than don't try to wear it. for those of you, and you know WHO YOU ARE that do fit that shoe, take off the ribbon until you have earned the right to wear it.
Those of us that wear it properly and I'm sure that most of you do, awesome! those that don't your out of uniform take it off and join the rest of the club that take pride in our service.... We have jackets!
Quote from: major pain on December 16, 2008, 07:10:27 PM
No where in my post did i say "Hey (insert your name here), your a ribbon troll, grow up!
It sure looked like that was what you intended to say to the person who brought up UCCs. Perhaps you might want to think a bit before inserting inflamatory language into a discussion and consider whether your comment is germane to the conservation at hand.
Quote from: RiverAux on December 16, 2008, 04:58:25 PM
I personally don't have much confidence in Wing mainaining records that are more than 3-4 years old thanks to CAP's idiotic records retention policy that requires that most items be tossed fairly quickly.
I am all for throwing things away. But PA's for awards are listed in my personal file plan as historically significant and therefore are kept for life.
Oh i agree i think that once it is past its prime the Historians should get them
WIWAC, I heard, essentially through the grapevine, that I was authorized to wear the UCA. I saluted and executed at that time, but always wondered about it. Some years later, I was surfing on the NER site, and found this page (http://ner.cap.gov/history.htm). At the bottom is a list of awards. I queried Col. Jensen about this, and a copy of his reply email serves as authorization in my record.
^ So that means if you were a member of one of the Wings in NER during dates listed you automatically got a UCA? Isn't that very broad? If that is the case, do we print that out for a members file so they can clasp their UCA or do we need a PA from NER??
According to the ICL, you need a PA. That is why I was asking if the UC PAs were going to be included in this database of 'National awards'.
It is cool that they will be posting Medals of Valor and whatnot, but that effects like .001% of CAP members. The UC issue effects far more, and seems to me should take a priority.
If all awards and decs were tracked in e-services, this would be moot.
Quote from: Timbo on December 17, 2008, 03:29:27 PM
^ So that means if you were a member of one of the Wings in NER during dates listed you automatically got a UCA? Isn't that very broad? If that is the case, do we print that out for a members file so they can clasp their UCA or do we need a PA from NER??
The ENTIRE region was awarded the UCA. Yes, broad, but without seeing any other paperwork, I can't tell you any more about it.
A PA would have been nice, but given the long lapse of time, the email from the good colonel works for me. I do have my cadet record to prove membership at the time of the award.
Quote from: SarDragon on December 18, 2008, 08:14:41 AMThe ENTIRE region was awarded the UCA. Yes, broad, but without seeing any other paperwork, I can't tell you any more about it.
A PA would have been nice, but given the long lapse of time, the email from the good colonel works for me. I do have my cadet record to prove membership at the time of the award.
Ditto with two of the 'Green Weenies' on my rack - they were earned WIWAC in FL Wing, and I've got some documentation backing it up in my files.
Heeeyyyy....
I dont know how my looking for my Mitchell Award number turned into a debate on a darned unit citation... :-[
^ You got hijacked!
I guess better to be hijacked here than in my car while it is 5F outside! LOL ;D
Quote from: PaulR on December 18, 2008, 01:29:40 PM
Heeeyyyy....
I dont know how my looking for my Mitchell Award number turned into a debate on a darned unit citation... :-[
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