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Operations => Emergency Services & Operations => Topic started by: Hoorah on December 11, 2008, 05:34:33 PM

Title: First aid
Post by: Hoorah on December 11, 2008, 05:34:33 PM
Please explain the stories of first aid training.

I have a training meeting for FA this sunday.
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: Al Sayre on December 11, 2008, 05:39:05 PM
Not sure what "stories" you are asking about.  Would you like one about "there I was in the middle of a 40 car accident an hour after I finished taking basic first aide", or about the cutie that I met in a first aid class that may not be printable?  :D >:D
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: Stonewall on December 11, 2008, 05:47:46 PM
There I was, Camp Blanding, FL (http://www.campblanding-museum.org/) with my squadron for the weekend to conduct American Red Cross Standard First Aid and CPR training.

The instructor and his wife seemed to live for teaching these classes, although I think they lived in a van down by the river.

Our Senior Member in Charge (SMIC) was also a MSgt in the Army National Guard and was able to check out an Army 5 Ton truck (http://capecodfd.com/Pics%20Appar/Pic%20BO%20New%20B128%205ton%20May2005a.jpg) to cart about 20 of us around in.

Back then, I think it was a 12 hour class.  We got there Friday evening and it lasted until 16:00 on Sunday.  In between classes and meals, we rappelled with an Army SF guy down the 30' tower, shot a .50 cal and tore apart the mini-PX.

Training went well, but on Saturday night, about 21:00, our Cadet First Sergeant, who stood 20 ft tall, came to get us and had us load up in the 5 ton because a huge disaster just happened.  We get over to where the classroom was and there were 5 people laying around all made up with fake injuries that we had to care for.

I remember this whole weekend vividly because it was my first weekend activity in CAP and I am still close friends with 2 of the cadets that were there 21 years ago.  In fact, we still laugh as we talk about it.  Also, I have some pictures from that weekend at home.  Fun times.  Makes me truly miss my CAP cadet days.
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: lordmonar on December 11, 2008, 06:31:20 PM
It's not a first aid story per say....but...I was teaching a Life Saving Merit Badge Course at Boy Scout Summer Camp.

We were doing "tired swimmer drills".  I was the "victim" and one of my students was supposed to come out and assist me back to shore when when he passed out and sank in 10 feet of murky water.

Don't remember much after that....lots of confusion, noise, and a 30 minute ride to the hospital wearing no shirt, wet swimming trunks and combat boots (no socks).

That was my first confirmed save!

<that's what happens if you send before spell check>
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: davedove on December 11, 2008, 06:44:13 PM
One time, in First Aid Camp .......
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: JayT on December 11, 2008, 10:43:42 PM
Quote from: capcadetwilliams on December 11, 2008, 05:34:33 PM
Please explain the stories of first aid training.

I have a training meeting for FA this sunday.

As my Intructor Paramedic once put it......

Always wear gloves.
You're not a doctor.
Protect the Airway.
Headwounds bleed a lot.
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: Trouble on December 11, 2008, 11:24:24 PM
Amen, brother.
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: EMT-83 on December 12, 2008, 03:16:28 AM
Remember, all bleeding eventually stops.
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: SJFedor on December 12, 2008, 03:21:35 AM
If ever in doubt, go back to A (airway).
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: JayT on December 12, 2008, 04:04:14 AM
"All of you will eventually kill someone at some point in your career."

No, honestly.

First Aid, just pay attention, read the material, and practical the skills you don't get to do often.
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: arajca on December 12, 2008, 04:17:53 AM
Fainting and hyper-ventilation are self-correcting problems.
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: IceNine on December 12, 2008, 06:27:33 AM
Apply pressure to the wound, then above the wound.  Don't take off the bandages just put more on top.

Splint above and below no on top of.

That bloody wound, or broken bone may look serious, but not breathing is deadly.

ABC first, ignore that nasty gash on their leg, until they have a path to get air in, and getting air in, and their heart is beating, and they are not losing tons of blood.

Hint- When they hand you a tri-bandage they will tell you to make a sling.  If you tie a small knot on the wide point it makes a nice pocket to put the elbow into.  And if you put a little gauze behind the knot on their neck they won't complain as much about it rubbing.




Title: Re: First aid
Post by: JayT on December 12, 2008, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: arajca on December 12, 2008, 04:17:53 AM
Fainting and hyper-ventilation are self-correcting problems.

Unless there's underlying problems with the PaO2 or PaCO2 in the blood and CSF.

I think.
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: Duke Dillio on December 12, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
The very first thing you should know is to protect yourself.  Don't go after that electricution victim who still has the live power line laying over him...

My EMT instructor said of BBP, "Always treat every patient as though they have something that you don't want."

Also, remember that First Aid is a touchy-feely type of activity.  Just don't touchy-feely too much...
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: IceNine on December 12, 2008, 03:34:42 PM
Tourniquets are for the military, and shouldn't be applied unless you intend to kill the limb.

There is no reason to carry anything more than some nitrilite gloves, a CPR mask, and a few band aids, some gauze, tape, scissors.  Don't go out buying the biggest and baddest FA kit.  That thing you saw at wal-greens that said emergency first aid kit will do.

Wear a watch (for class), if you ever do this for real tell the emt's EVERYTHING.  Especially if you've been doing CPR they will want to know about how long. 

Don't move a patient that has any type of traumatic injury (fall, car accident, etc)
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: Eclipse on December 12, 2008, 03:55:09 PM
Q: What do you do if the instructor has a heart attack during CPR class before he has certified you?   :D
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: Duke Dillio on December 12, 2008, 03:55:58 PM
Call nine-eleven....  DUH!!!
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: Eclipse on December 12, 2008, 04:02:30 PM
THERE'S NO "11" ON MY PHONE!!!!!
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: Hoser on December 12, 2008, 04:25:33 PM
Three rules of EMS

Everything you learn in school is wrong

People die and you cant do a thing about it

People will live because you did
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: JayT on December 12, 2008, 05:55:21 PM
Quote from: Eclipse on December 12, 2008, 03:55:09 PM
Q: What do you do if the instructor has a heart attack during CPR class before he has certified you?   :D

Go hard, go deep, and go fast!
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: cap235629 on December 13, 2008, 02:32:04 AM
Here is a simple rule to follow"

The ABC's of first aid

A=AMBULANCE

B=BEFORE

C=CAP

;) ;D :D
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: chiles on December 13, 2008, 03:44:59 AM
Quote from: cap235629 on December 13, 2008, 02:32:04 AM
Here is a simple rule to follow"

The ABC's of first aid

A=AMBULANCE

B=BEFORE

C=CAP

;) ;D :D

Nah. I'm pretty sure they taught me in nursing school to call my squadron commander first. Helps when I go to put in for the Certificate for the Recognition for Lifesaving award 8) ;D
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: NJMEDIC on December 13, 2008, 04:08:38 AM
1. All Bleeding stops evenually
2. All Breathing stops eventually
3. If the liquid is wet warm and not yours dont touch it
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: NJMEDIC on December 13, 2008, 04:10:55 AM
Quote from: cap235629 on December 13, 2008, 02:32:04 AM
Here is a simple rule to follow"

The ABC's of first aid

A=AMBULANCE

B=BEFORE

C=CAP

;) ;D :D


A. Ambulate
B. Before
C. Carry
>:D :clap:
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: cap235629 on December 13, 2008, 04:59:26 AM
Here is a true story. I thought it was funny at the time but it makes me angry in retrospect, what if that was MY MOTHER?

When the fire departments first started rolling on all medical calls 15 years or so ago in Massachusetts, there was a TON of resistance from the old school firefighters who wanted no part of EMS.  The new school won out and all firefighters are trained as first responders.  I was on a late night call in the ambulance going to a possible heart attack on the third floor of a triple decker in an old Mill town in Mass.  The local engine company was dispatched as well,  We heard them tell dispatch they had arrived and asked what was the eta on the ambulance.  I advised dispatch we were just a couple of minutes out and when we turned the corner there was the engine, occupied by the engine company, with the Lt. hanging out the window waving us on and pointing at the address.  I asked him later why they didn't go in and I was told bluntly, "They say we have to go, but they never said we had to do anything, call me when your ambulance is on fire, you can have this medical B.S."
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: ol'fido on December 13, 2008, 05:03:46 PM
Two stories:

We had to stop a CPR class while everyone recovered and got back in their seats from laughing so hard. One of our cadets had asked the instructor, "Shouldn't you use a safety pin to pin the tongue to the cheek so that they won't swallow it?"

and....

At GLR SARCOMP in 1988, I scored highest on the basic first aid test. I was only qualified in Advanced First Aid(ARC-old system) and there were several EMTs and Paramedics taking the test. They all overthought the questions instead of thinking like first aiders.
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: Stonewall on December 14, 2008, 02:23:01 AM
Two things that were drilled into my head from my first EMT class are:

"Scene secure, don gloves"

"ABCME:  Airway Breathing Circulation Major bleeding, Expose (the wound)"
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: SJFedor on December 14, 2008, 02:56:23 AM
Quote from: olefido on December 13, 2008, 05:03:46 PM
At GLR SARCOMP in 1988, I scored highest on the basic first aid test. I was only qualified in Advanced First Aid(ARC-old system) and there were several EMTs and Paramedics taking the test. They all overthought the questions instead of thinking like first aiders.

Bah. That's kinda unfair. a Medic is going to approach a scene a lot differently then a first aid qualified person.


I always like ABCDEF myself.

Airway Breathing Circulation Deficits (neuro) Exposure Fluids
Title: Re: First aid
Post by: JayT on December 14, 2008, 03:09:46 AM
I like that!

(So says the guy who just spent a twelve hour clinical rotation in the Pedatric Emergency room, got stratched multiple times, and who broke out in a cold sweat when he found out one of his patients was his Chief's nephew.)