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General Discussion => The Lobby => Topic started by: RiverAux on November 05, 2008, 10:59:57 PM

Title: Nov Volunteer
Post by: RiverAux on November 05, 2008, 10:59:57 PM
The latest Volunteer is available for download: http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/news/civil_air_patrol_volunteer/index.cfm

Addresses a few concerns brought up here recently:
-CAP at airshows
-CAP switching to 406 ELTs (Have 200+ with them now -- a lot more than I had thought).  Updated frequencies to be put in Beckers.  I see several quotes from our own DNALL!
-bad news -- they may be starting a trend of having columns by various national staff members -- its safety this time -- these were the absolute worst, most useless parts of the old CAP News.
-Several hurricane Ike stories
-story about induction into CAP Hall of Honor -- also has a listing of past inductees -- looks like you have to at least be a Col. to get in (1 exception for a Lt. Col.)
-Big Mary Feik story -- didn't we just have one of those? 
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: CAPLAW on November 06, 2008, 04:58:50 AM
Im impressed, good issue! :)
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: SJFedor on November 06, 2008, 06:09:45 AM
That's a poorly photoshopped cover on the Lt Col on the front cover.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: ♠SARKID♠ on November 06, 2008, 06:16:26 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on November 06, 2008, 06:09:45 AM
That's a poorly photoshopped cover on the Lt Col on the front cover.

Boy you aint kiddin'.  That thing looks like they used MS Paint to put it on her head.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: SJFedor on November 06, 2008, 06:25:23 AM
I mean, it just kinda jumped out and screamed at me, cuz it made her whole head look twice the normal size.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: cap235629 on November 06, 2008, 06:36:09 AM
I also LOVED the photo of the Cadet of the Year wearing unauthorized headgear!
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: SJFedor on November 06, 2008, 06:49:32 AM
Quote from: cap235629 on November 06, 2008, 06:36:09 AM
I also LOVED the photo of the Cadet of the Year wearing unauthorized headgear!

Were you on staff for that encampment? Do you have carnal detailed knowledge that their Encampment commander and/or Wing commander didn't get NHQ approval for the use of special headgear for the purpose of that encampment IAW CAPR 39-1?

Didn't think so. You shouldn't make assumptions.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: DNall on November 06, 2008, 07:19:43 AM
Special insignia for encampments is specifically not allowed, there's no provision to get permission otherwise. There is provision for wing supplements to apply all the time, not just during an event, and those have to be approved at the CAP/CC & NHQ levels.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: Fifinella on November 06, 2008, 08:48:15 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on November 06, 2008, 06:49:32 AM
Do you have carnal knowledge that their Encampment commander and/or Wing commander didn't get NHQ approval for the use of special headgear for the purpose of that encampment IAW CAPR 39-1?
"Carnal" knowledge?  "I do not think that word means what you think it means." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnal_knowledge
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: SJFedor on November 06, 2008, 09:43:19 AM
Quote from: Fifinella on November 06, 2008, 08:48:15 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on November 06, 2008, 06:49:32 AM
Do you have carnal knowledge that their Encampment commander and/or Wing commander didn't get NHQ approval for the use of special headgear for the purpose of that encampment IAW CAPR 39-1?
"Carnal" knowledge?  "I do not think that word means what you think it means." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnal_knowledge

It was a long day in the ER....
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: ThorntonOL on November 06, 2008, 04:13:13 PM
Having a problem seeing any of the photos in the NOV issue. the text reads fine but everything else I can't see.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: flyguy06 on November 06, 2008, 04:19:14 PM
Did you guys see my article in the Nov issue of the Volunteer
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on November 06, 2008, 06:09:45 AM
That's a poorly photoshopped cover on the Lt Col on the front cover.

I would say... here's the original... and they took the GTL badge off the WRONG side of the uniform.

http://mhuchette.albumpost.com/2008HurricaneIke%2CTexasCoverage/DSC_8371?full=1
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: JoeTomasone on November 06, 2008, 04:24:28 PM
I was playing the "what uniform problems are in this issue" game and found a few, that photoshopped cover was reaaaly bad.

Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:30:12 PM
They REALLY fixed her uniform... they even added the 1/2" between the CAP tape, med badge and wings... and moved the ES patch.

Brian
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: SilverEagle2 on November 06, 2008, 04:31:04 PM
And the excessive blue boarder and crooked sewing job on the silver leaves does not help either.

Parallel means only one thing.  ;)

They really need to just not use photos of uni's that are not up to snuff rather than attempt to fix. Makes a bad image worse.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: cap235629 on November 06, 2008, 06:36:09 AM
I also LOVED the photo of the Cadet of the Year wearing unauthorized headgear!

It's authorized... he's at encampment. Outside of an activity - it's a no no.

Brian
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: davidsinn on November 06, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: cap235629 on November 06, 2008, 06:36:09 AM
I also LOVED the photo of the Cadet of the Year wearing unauthorized headgear!

It's authorized... he's at encampment. Outside of an activity - it's a no no.

Brian

Rank is only to be worn on the BDU and Blue BDU caps. Not a black one.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on November 06, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: cap235629 on November 06, 2008, 06:36:09 AM
I also LOVED the photo of the Cadet of the Year wearing unauthorized headgear!

It's authorized... he's at encampment. Outside of an activity - it's a no no.

Brian

Rank is only to be worn on the BDU and Blue BDU caps. Not a black one.

I guess this goes back to what the NEC authorized - but no formal written change. Rank can be worn on headgear (i.e. baseball cap), at an activity - this can be authorized by the Wing Commander.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: davidsinn on November 06, 2008, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:55:03 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on November 06, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: cap235629 on November 06, 2008, 06:36:09 AM
I also LOVED the photo of the Cadet of the Year wearing unauthorized headgear!

It's authorized... he's at encampment. Outside of an activity - it's a no no.

Brian

Rank is only to be worn on the BDU and Blue BDU caps. Not a black one.

I guess this goes back to what the NEC authorized - but no formal written change. Rank can be worn on headgear (i.e. baseball cap), at an activity - this can be authorized by the Wing Commander.

Where is that written? NEC minutes only authorize NHQ to make a change. They do not in and of themselves make the change.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 05:41:55 PM
^^^ like I said... no formal written change.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: AlphaSigOU on November 06, 2008, 06:57:47 PM
I personally know the person in the cover - that's Lt Col Melanie Capehart, TXWG/SE but also calls Addison home.

Awful photochop job... she wears her uniform much better than that!
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: D2SK on November 06, 2008, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:30:12 PM
They REALLY fixed her uniform... they even added the 1/2" between the CAP tape, med badge and wings... and moved the ES patch.

Brian

You armchair quaterbacks are something else.

Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: CASH172 on November 06, 2008, 07:47:23 PM
I really think page space can be better utilized by not including a crossword puzzle.  Although I can see it being useful in a waiting room somewhere, it just doesn't seem applicable to most of the Volunteer's readers. 
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: notaNCO forever on November 06, 2008, 11:10:05 PM
 They should ditch the crossword puzzle and have some comic strips. ;D I tend to agree I don't see someone actually sitting down and doing the crossword puzzle. If they do them they need to get a hobby


Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: Pingree1492 on November 06, 2008, 11:43:35 PM
There are some crazy CAP nerds out there...  I've seen more than one completed crossword at weekly cadet meetings....
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: ♠SARKID♠ on November 07, 2008, 12:53:15 AM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:23:54 PM
Quote from: SJFedor on November 06, 2008, 06:09:45 AM
That's a poorly photoshopped cover on the Lt Col on the front cover.

I would say... here's the original... and they took the GTL badge off the WRONG side of the uniform.

http://mhuchette.albumpost.com/2008HurricaneIke%2CTexasCoverage/DSC_8371?full=1


(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:98rjvMOYdAqi5M:http://www.darkervisions.com/gallery/smiley.jpg)

Faith in humanity = Gone
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: DNall on November 07, 2008, 01:09:33 AM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:55:03 PM
I guess this goes back to what the NEC authorized - but no formal written change. Rank can be worn on headgear (i.e. baseball cap), at an activity - this can be authorized by the Wing Commander.

With a nationally approved wing supplement, not call the guy up & he says cool.

Secondly, there is no reason whatever that a cadet needs to be wearing a black hat. Just like they don't need to wear a drill sgt hat. It is wrong on a lot of levels.

Now, this is a national organization sponsored by the AF. You are to wear a standardized national uniform drawing all guidance practicable from the AF. If you don't like that, deal with it & do it anyway.

Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:30:12 PM
They REALLY fixed her uniform... they even added the 1/2" between the CAP tape, med badge and wings... and moved the ES patch.

That's my wing director of safety, who has been in CAP for about 20 years. While her uniform may not be perfect, it's one hell of a lot better than some moronic stuff I've seen from some other folks.

You want to point to the ongoing poor photoshop work, fine. You want to point out uniform problems, okay. That's piddly, but she wore it so she bears the flak. But I would suggest you bring that down a notch, least till you have a real ranger tab, at which point you wouldn't care what people wear when they're in the field next to an offshore fishing boat piled up between two houses in one of the most impacted areas three days after the most damaging hurricane since Katrina.

Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: Eclipse on November 07, 2008, 01:35:05 AM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:55:03 PM
I guess this goes back to what the NEC authorized - but no formal written change. Rank can be worn on headgear (i.e. baseball cap), at an activity - this can be authorized by the Wing Commander.

No, it can't.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: PHall on November 07, 2008, 01:37:37 AM
Quote from: D2SK on November 06, 2008, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:30:12 PM
They REALLY fixed her uniform... they even added the 1/2" between the CAP tape, med badge and wings... and moved the ES patch.

Brian

You armchair quaterbacks are something else.



Is it unreasonable to expect a Lt Col to wear her uniform properly?
It's not like she joined last week and didn't know any better.
Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: JoeTomasone on November 07, 2008, 02:00:23 AM
Quote from: PHall on November 07, 2008, 01:37:37 AM
Quote from: D2SK on November 06, 2008, 07:24:49 PM
Quote from: Rangercap on November 06, 2008, 04:30:12 PM
They REALLY fixed her uniform... they even added the 1/2" between the CAP tape, med badge and wings... and moved the ES patch.

Brian

You armchair quaterbacks are something else.



Is it unreasonable to expect a Lt Col to wear her uniform properly?
It's not like she joined last week and didn't know any better.

And one suspects that it's been in service for a while, rendering the whole "she's in a disaster zone" argument moot in my eyes.   

Title: Re: Nov Volunteer
Post by: MIKE on November 07, 2008, 02:02:21 AM
Aren't we not supposed to have these kinds of uniform discussions anymore?