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Operations => Aviation & Flying Activities => Topic started by: jimmydeanno on October 23, 2008, 05:02:03 PM

Title: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: jimmydeanno on October 23, 2008, 05:02:03 PM
Just saw this: http://www.iconaircraft.com/

Looks "super awesome" to me, just wondering if anyone has any first hand interaction with it.  Thoughts?

Price is estimated at $135,000 and first delivery is in 2010...
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: CAPLAW on October 23, 2008, 05:16:44 PM
I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: jeders on October 23, 2008, 05:36:36 PM
Nice, but I don't think I'll have one in my hangar anytime soon.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: ♠SARKID♠ on October 23, 2008, 06:11:17 PM
Okay, the Lexus fund just got re-appropriated.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: notaNCO forever on October 23, 2008, 08:38:55 PM
that looks like one cool plane. By the looks of it you only need a sport pilot license to fly it. Takes care of the need for a boat and plane all at once.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: airdale on October 23, 2008, 11:31:16 PM
They had a nonflying display model at OSH.  Very slick package, very slick and expensive display.  The market need for the folding wings isn't obvious to me however.

That said, my experience is that startups with super-slick marketing (like these guys) usually founder for one reason or another.  Often it is that the management is so oriented to the marketing that they forget to make the product work, forget to get it out on time, or spend all the money on the marketing and on themselves before they finish the product.  Whoever their VC angels are they are not likely to be patient and understanding, especially in this investment market.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: Pumbaa on October 24, 2008, 01:40:06 AM
Folding wings make perfect sense.  Transport it via trailer to your garage, no need to rent a hanger!  Haul it to your local lake and use that as your take off and landing spot.

I think of wear I grew up.  Had a large lake nearby, but the nearest landing strip was 20 minutes away.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: MIKE on October 24, 2008, 01:42:48 AM
I suppose I should know this as an Auxie, but do you have to register a sea plane as both a boat and a plane?
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: SAR-EMT1 on October 25, 2008, 01:33:51 AM
Negative. HOWEVER, using "no wake" areas for a runway is verboten.  ;D

Now the real question: can a VSC be performed on a seaplane   ::)
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: Rob Sherlin on October 25, 2008, 06:01:08 AM
Now that's an awesome toy! I don't know if would classify as sport, ultralight or experimental, but it sure is cool!
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: Rob Sherlin on October 25, 2008, 06:25:06 AM
I had to go back and look again! It would be real cool if they added wheel options to take off and land on solid ground too.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: BillB on October 25, 2008, 01:06:42 PM
No boat registration is required for a seaplane. Just FAA registration. In fact USCG regulations don't apply to seaplanes (life perservers etc)  But many regulations that apply to boats also apply to seaplanes such as no wake rules.  I used to own a Lake amphibian, so I learned about seaplane rules and FAA regulations that apply to seaplanes.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: davidsinn on October 25, 2008, 04:12:38 PM
Quote from: Rob Sherlin on October 25, 2008, 06:25:06 AM
I had to go back and look again! It would be real cool if they added wheel options to take off and land on solid ground too.

It has optional retractable tricycle landing gear.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: brasda91 on October 25, 2008, 04:14:51 PM
Quote from: Rob Sherlin on October 25, 2008, 06:25:06 AM
I had to go back and look again! It would be real cool if they added wheel options to take off and land on solid ground too.

Look again:

http://www.iconaircraft.com/features.html
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: flynd94 on October 26, 2008, 07:29:44 PM
Seen it..... an old student of mine is one of the engineers on it.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: Major Lord on October 26, 2008, 10:43:45 PM
It reminds me of the Hoverhawk, a hovercraft that flew over water in ground effect. Very cool! Popular Science has this animals' big brother on the cover this month: http://www.popsci.com/falxair

Major Lord
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: DC on October 27, 2008, 01:35:09 AM
Quote from: Major Lord on October 26, 2008, 10:43:45 PM
It reminds me of the Hoverhawk, a hovercraft that flew over water in ground effect. Very cool! Popular Science has this animals' big brother on the cover this month: http://www.popsci.com/falxair

Major Lord
That thing is freaking cool. Like a personal Osprey....
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: jspear on November 10, 2008, 02:00:43 AM
I saw it a couple of weeks ago at the Barrett-Jackson Auto Auction..

It is very cool
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: Rob Sherlin on November 11, 2008, 09:55:47 AM
How about this one for a personal VTOL......

www.amvaircraft.com
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: JGremlin on November 29, 2008, 05:28:13 AM
I saw their static display last month at the AOPA EXPO. I'll echo what was said earlier about the track record for aviation startups who sink a ton of money into slick marketing before they actually have a product. That is especially true when the product is of an out of the ordinary design and/or contains a number of design feature which are brand new and therefore as yet unproven in the real world.

I wish them luck and I hope they do well. But based on what I've seen of their mockup and their choice to staff their EXPO display with young women who know far more about makeup then they'll ever know about aviation, I'd recommend against anyone giving them any deposit money until the planes are in production and rolling out the door. If fact, if the company were public, I'd probably short the stock.
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: FlexCoder on November 29, 2008, 07:22:06 AM
VTOL a rich man's toy and nothing more!  That design has been around for a while and never really caught on.  I agree with you JGremlin, the company will sink.  Icon Aircraft may succeed since it is affordable & has a purpose though.  Perhaps, we should just buy an Icon and play with it to see if it is beyond a fancy go-cart with wings!
Title: Re: Has anyone seen one of these in person?
Post by: es_g0d on January 07, 2009, 02:12:34 AM
A wise aviator once said, "never fly the 'A' model of anything."  *grin*
Good luck and good hunting,
-Scott
www.CAP-ES.net