I'm looking for fun CAP trivia tidbits for a project.
Looking for things like -
If you earn the Rocketry badge you get a attachment on the Goddard ribbon.
The meaning of the reverse flag on the BDU.
The origin of the CAP logo.
Looking for odd little things that most people don't readily know. Please help.
Thank you.
Quote from: GoofyOne on October 02, 2008, 03:18:27 PM
If you earn the Rocketry badge you get a attachment on the Goddard ribbon.
Only after you have earned the Mitchell Award, if you don't have the Mitchell it's pocket rocket only.
The meaning of the reverse flag on the BDU???
There's no specific meaning that I know of. Wearing it in that manner is just comforming to the rules for wear - the field always goes in front.
Quote from: SarDragon on October 02, 2008, 11:26:05 PM
The meaning of the reverse flag on the BDU???
There's no specific meaning that I know of. Wearing it in that manner is just comforming to the rules for wear - the field always goes in front.
What about the flag patch on the Flight Suit, it isn't reversed, the stripes are forward.
The BDU flag is worn on the right sleeve, with the field forward. The flight suit flag is worn on the left sleeve, with the field forward.
If you were to attach the two versions back to back, you would have a flag that you could put on a small staff.
Another way of looking at it would be to refer to the CAPR 900-2 rules for displaying the flag on a wall.
Horizontally, the field is on the left, and you see the typical view. Vertically, the field is still on the left, but we are now looking at the "back" side of the flag.
It is worn that way to insure the flag is never retreating.
http://www.marlowwhite.com/faq-why-is-the-flag-patch-reversed.html
Civilians often wonder why the US Army Flag Patch is reversed. The answer is: not all Army Flag Patches are reversed, but only those worn on the right shoulder. The reason has to do with proper display of the flag.
The blue field of stars should always be in the highest position of honor. When viewing the flag on a wall, the highest position of honor is the upper left when displayed horizontally, and at the top (upper left) when displayed vertically. When displayed on a "moving object" like a person or vehicle, the highest position of honor is the front, and not the rear; so the field of blue should be displayed to the front.
The same principle applies to the eagle rank of Colonels (or Navy Captains); the eagles' heads are always worn facing forward when worn on the uniform, as the forward-facing eagle is the position of honor within heraldry.
In application, then, flags are displayed on moving vehicles with the blue-star field always displayed towards the front of the vehicle. In this way, the flag appears to be blowing in the wind as the vehicle travels forward (flags are always attached to their flag poles on the blue field side). If the flag were not reversed on the right hand side of the vehicle, the vehicle might appear to be moving backwards (or "retreating").
The next time you visit an airport, notice that the US-flagged aircraft also have a "reverse" flag painted on the right side of the aircraft.
For flag patches worn on uniforms, the same principle applies: the blue star field always faces towards the front, with the red and white stripes behind. Think of the flag, not as a patch, but as a loose flag attached to the Soldier's arm like a flag pole. As the Soldier moves forward, the red and white stripes will flow to the back.
As the proponent for standardization and authorization of heraldry items within the Department of Defense, the Institute of Heraldry addresses the apparent oddity of the reverse flag patch by stating, "When worn on the right sleeve, it is considered proper to reverse the design so that the union is at the observer's right to suggest that the flag is flying in the breeze as the wearer moves forward."
If you go to Cadet Officer School (COS) you wear a silver star on the Mitchell ribbon. If you turn senior member, it goes on the highest cadet achievement ribbon.
Quote from: GoofyOne on October 02, 2008, 03:18:27 PM
I'm looking for fun CAP trivia tidbits for a project.
Looking for things like -
1. If you earn the Rocketry badge you get a attachment on the Goddard ribbon.
2. The meaning of the reverse flag on the BDU.
3. The origin of the CAP logo.
Looking for odd little things that most people don't readily know. Please help.
Thank you.
1. Don't know the answer as to why
2. The flag always 'flies' with the field forward.
3. The original CAP logo was taken from the Civil Defense logo, with CAP specific stuff added.
Back in the day wings had a 2 digit number assigned which they used to identify everything from unit charter numbers, to vehicles, to aircraft.
Today this policy is till in effect in reference to vehicles and aircraft.
For instance, Illinois is 11. I have a vehicle in my group that is 11006, and there are aircraft in my wing like 1126
The region HQ's are in the 90's, and NHQ 001-099, while the Congressional Squadron is 01-99.
Charter numbers used to look like 11240.
As you can tell with well over 60 different 2 digit numbers it was a chore just to keep strait what resources you had. (some wings have more than one number)
New York was 31. My charter number WIWAC was 31372 - amazing how that kind of thing sticks in your head 25 years later.
Quote from: MIKE on October 02, 2008, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: GoofyOne on October 02, 2008, 03:18:27 PM
If you earn the Rocketry badge you get a attachment on the Goddard ribbon.
Only after you have earned the Mitchell Award, if you don't have the Mitchell it's pocket rocket only.
attachment?
Does the rocketry badge need to be earned prior to the Mitchel Award?
I'll admit, I didn't check... You said this was a little known thing (I didn't know).... Is it in the uniform Manual? If not, guidance?
Quote from: RiveraJ on October 03, 2008, 03:30:55 PM
Quote from: MIKE on October 02, 2008, 04:00:57 PM
Quote from: GoofyOne on October 02, 2008, 03:18:27 PM
If you earn the Rocketry badge you get a attachment on the Goddard ribbon.
Only after you have earned the Mitchell Award, if you don't have the Mitchell it's pocket rocket only.
attachment?
Does the rocketry badge need to be earned prior to the Mitchel Award?
I'll admit, I didn't check... You said this was a little known thing (I didn't know).... Is it in the uniform Manual? If not, guidance?
Quote from: CAPR 50-20, Section 6, Paragraph bb. If a cadet has earned the Mitchell Award and has satisfactorily completed the requirements for the Model Rocketry Badge, a silver star may be attached to the Goddard Achievement Ribbon. The silver star may be obtained through CAPMart.
My interpretation: if you have both the Mitchell and the pocket rocket you get the star, the order they are earned in doesn't matter.
Quote from: IceNine on October 03, 2008, 01:34:14 PM
Back in the day wings had a 2 digit number assigned which they used to identify everything from unit charter numbers, to vehicles, to aircraft.
Today this policy is till in effect in reference to vehicles and aircraft.
For instance, Illinois is 11. I have a vehicle in my group that is 11006, and there are aircraft in my wing like 1126
The region HQ's are in the 90's, and NHQ 001-099, while the Congressional Squadron is 01-99.
Charter numbers used to look like 11240.
As you can tell with well over 60 different 2 digit numbers it was a chore just to keep strait what resources you had. (some wings have more than one number)
Really??? Got an example?
California Currently 40 and 60
Alaska Currently 50 and 61
Quote from: IceNine on October 03, 2008, 11:37:16 PM
California Currently 40 and 60
Alaska Currently 50 and 61
California is 04, not 40
Where are you seeing these extra numbers used?
Quote from: bte on October 03, 2008, 11:38:37 PM
Quote from: IceNine on October 03, 2008, 11:37:16 PM
California Currently 40 and 60
Alaska Currently 50 and 61
California is 04, not 40
You are correct sir... fat fingers sorry.
Quote from: SarDragon on October 03, 2008, 11:39:30 PM
Where are you seeing these extra numbers used?
Currently for Aircraft Call signs
Quote from: IceNine on October 04, 2008, 12:09:42 AM
Quote from: bte on October 03, 2008, 11:38:37 PM
Quote from: IceNine on October 03, 2008, 11:37:16 PM
California Currently 40 and 60
Alaska Currently 50 and 61
California is 04, not 40
You are correct sir... fat fingers sorry.
Quote from: SarDragon on October 03, 2008, 11:39:30 PM
Where are you seeing these extra numbers used?
Currently for Aircraft Call signs
... which were not mentioned in the OP. How about providing the applicable info the first time around.
What are you talking about?!?
Go put some glasses on, and re-read with my emphasis
Quote from: IceNine on October 03, 2008, 01:34:14 PM
Back in the day wings had a 2 digit number assigned which they used to identify everything from unit charter numbers, to vehicles, to aircraft.
Today this policy is till in effect in reference to vehicles and aircraft.
For instance, Illinois is 11. I have a vehicle in my group that is 11006, and there are aircraft in my wing like 1126
The region HQ's are in the 90's, and NHQ 001-099, while the Congressional Squadron is 01-99.
Charter numbers used to look like 11240.
As you can tell with well over 60 different 2 digit numbers it was a chore just to keep strait what resources you had. (some wings have more than one number)
Lighten up, Francis.
CAP Flight call signs are assigned to more than corporate owned assets, though decreasingly less so with the almost nonexistent use of member owned a/c on missions these days.
Around here, most corporate a/c are most often referred to by tail number, except on the radio, or during a mission.
What you think you said, and what I think you said seem to differ, hence my request for clarification. Now I understand. All is good.