We did if the navy, so here ya go!
The Army finally put out the new blue service dress uniform that will replace the green class A & B.
Link: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/08/army_newblueuniform_082008w/ (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/08/army_newblueuniform_082008w/)
Personally I think the combat patch pin looks stupid, the white shirt instead of the originally announced gray is a terrible idea (as I'm sure our white shirt wearing folks can attest), and it's got so much junk on there it's insane. And you thought CAP was bad.
(http://www.armytimes.com/xml/news/2008/08/army_newblueuniform_082008w/081908at_ClassB_male.JPG)
Pants tucked into combat boots? In a service dress uniform?? ???
This just doesn't say "army" to me. It looks more like a random veterans' organization uniform.
Where's my puking emoticon?
That. Looks. Hideous.
Wayyyyyyy too much bling. It might be better of they didn't pick someone from the 101st (by the look of the pin thing..) tp model it. Lose the maroon beret and unblouse the boots and it might look better.
Still, that just looks stupid. I remember seeing a picture of the different versions of this uniform a little while back and it looked alright... What happened...
Quote from: DogCollar on August 25, 2008, 11:04:54 AM
Pants tucked into combat boots? In a service dress uniform?? ???
Its a special thing the 101st (and the 82nd?) do, Airborne..
the "model" is in the 82nd. Hence the bloused boots & maroon beret. Non-airborne will still be wearing low quarters & black beret. The 101st pin is a combat patch. That'll be added to the left pocket of the coat as well. no other changes to the coat at this point (thank God).
I was a little worried about this cause I just dropped over $800 getting this uniform. Thankfully, I spent a 150 extra and mine's compliant with the new & improved standards, where the cheaper version that most people have is not.
You think we're bad, you should see the reactions on a couple Army boards. The thing's been out less than 5 days and there's more than 5 pages of "just puked a little in my mouth" type posts on the OCS site.
OMG :D
Are you sure this isn't the uniform for the new Ranger Corps!!!!
At least the CAP CSU will have a close equivalent in real military uniforms now! >:D
Quote from: Pylon on August 25, 2008, 02:49:18 PM
At least the CAP CSU will have a close equivalent in real military uniforms now! >:D
Just what we need, to be mistaken for the Army even more.
Hopefully that's just everything he CAN wear, as opposed to what he would be required to wear. Most people on active duty don't wear all their bling on the shirt anyway; instead, they wear the one or two pieces that mean the most to them. The rest is saved for the jacket.
Link is up: http://www.army.mil/asu/
Quote from: ♠Recruiter♠ on August 25, 2008, 03:32:54 PM
Quote from: Pylon on August 25, 2008, 02:49:18 PM
At least the CAP CSU will have a close equivalent in real military uniforms now! >:D
Just what we need, to be mistaken for the Army even more.
I half expected to see something referencing HWSNBN as the designer.
ewwwwww....
I wish they kept the gray shirt and brought back the MP service cap, Otherwise it is ok, bling is optional folks
Oh and at least we now know that black leather combat boots will still be available through AAFES! :clap:
Maybe we can adopt this white shirt in place of the aviator shirt to make it more accessible and affordable.
Look for the silver lining
Looking at this the only things I think are really awkward are the bloused boots and the size of the shirt sleeves. If the sleeves were slightly smaller in diameter and about 4 inches shorter it would be better...
Quote from: cap235629 on August 25, 2008, 05:58:50 PM
Otherwise it is ok, bling is optional folks
As an example:
(http://www.army.mil/asu/images/changes/long-sleeve.jpg)
I was in South America many years ago on a DOD project and I must say it does have a Latin American bling to it. I think White is stupid, khaki maybe, or blue.
WHAT HAPPENED!! :-X
eh.. hold one let me compose myself here..... :-\
I think that...tha.. :-X
Give me a sec....hold on.....
Where's my air sickness bag....
It's a very WORLDY uniform... looks like it is getting close to some worn by other United Nations forces.
It there a way-down-the-road vision of getting all the "good guys" to look the same?
Ok, just saw the pics with the coat on. Doesn't look as bad with the coat on. But the thing is, if blue is the color of army heritage, why do cadets at westpoint wear grey? Air Force Academy cadets wear blue and white which is distinctive, but still close. Why are the shoulder sleeves gone?
During the Spanish-American war, did the army wear a white shirt underneath the blue coat? Did Custer wear a white shirt? Washington wore a white (don't know what it's called) underneath his blue coat.
Look, I understand that dark blue has been the color of the army for a long time until they went green, but that uniform without the coat doesn't say army at all? It looks very foreign.
Although I don't care for all the bling on the shirt, one thing that makes it look worse is that the shirt looks about two sizes too large for him.
Quote from: stratoflyer on August 25, 2008, 07:48:07 PM
Ok, just saw the pics with the coat on. Doesn't look as bad with the coat on. But the thing is, if blue is the color of army heritage, why do cadets at westpoint wear grey? Air Force Academy cadets wear blue and white which is distinctive, but still close. Why are the shoulder sleeves gone?
During the Spanish-American war, did the army wear a white shirt underneath the blue coat? Did Custer wear a white shirt? Washington wore a white (don't know what it's called) underneath his blue coat.
Look, I understand that dark blue has been the color of the army for a long time until they went green, but that uniform without the coat doesn't say army at all? It looks very foreign.
It does look very 'veterans' organization'... They had originally planned a grey shirt, which IMO looked a lot better..
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/CAPnum/ASU.jpg)
Quote from: cap235629 on August 25, 2008, 06:00:55 PM
Oh and at least we now know that black leather combat boots will still be available through AAFES!
That would be much more expensive jump boots, and only in those targeted markets at Airborne units. Not the help you're looking for.
QuoteMaybe we can adopt this white shirt in place of the aviator shirt to make it more accessible and affordable.
And standardized. Now that's a great idea.
Along that vain, the black windbreaker and a new black pullover and cardigan sweaters will be avail to wear with the class Bs. That's additional outerwear for our corps.
I definitely think that this shirt should be the standard aviator shirt for us.
There, see? Some good came out of this!
The Army white shirt for our Aviator shirt. Haven't actually seen one, but it seems to meet the same purpose and sounds logical as a more plentiful resource to me. Assuming everyone on our end said "heck ya," would we have to get Army approval to use it?
I looked at the uniforms on the linked-to website for awhile... and after awhile, they start to not be THAT bad. Isn't this just more of a shock to the system after having had the preceeding uniform for so long? Look at it this way... Say the new uniform has been used for decades, and all of a sudden they change to having EVERYTHING a shade of GREEN! Eewwww.
Isn't the Army Aviation (Warrent Officers, chopper pilots) uniform already very similar?
What the heck is going on!!! Stop the madness!!! They look like a bunch of JROTC cadets.
Quote from: alamrcn on August 25, 2008, 11:26:26 PM
The Army white shirt for our Aviator shirt. Haven't actually seen one, but it seems to meet the same purpose and sounds logical as a more plentiful resource to me. Assuming everyone on our end said "heck ya," would we have to get Army approval to use it?
No. We already use their black lightweight jacket as outerwear with our corp service uniform. (we're still doing that right?) Which as I said, they're adding sweaters now too. That's nice in that it aligns with the options for blues.
Details on the shirt... It's just like the current AF blue & Army green shirt, but white of course. Meaning better construction and weave. It also has perm mil creases (sleeves), also nice. Long & Short sleeve avail (obviously) and the eps are designed to take a military sized grade sleeve, versus the airline style.
They had to do something with that cause the previously auth under coat shirt was just any commercial white shirt. It didn't matter cause you couldn't see it anyway. This'll be a real good item for CAP though.
QuoteI looked at the uniforms on the linked-to website for awhile... and after awhile, they start to not be THAT bad. Isn't this just more of a shock to the system after having had the preceeding uniform for so long? Look at it this way... Say the new uniform has been used for decades, and all of a sudden they change to having EVERYTHING a shade of GREEN! Eewwww.
Yeah they suck! I actually like Army blues with the coat quite a lot. I don't really like the green class As/Bs at all. The strongest opinion around the Army was for return of pink & greens (WWII era khaki & green).
The other issue some of yall may not understand... they have ACUs, Blues, and mess dress now. BUT, they don't use it like the AF. The mess dress is worn only for VERY formal events of the kind you'd never attend in CAP. For events (like dining-out) where you'd wear mess dress in the AF/CAP, the Army wears this same uniform with a bowtie - basically the semi-formal AF uniform. That means you're wearing the same uniform for daily office work as to a tuxedo event. Both practically and in terms of formality, that's not the best idea. That's an area where they need to take a note from the AF, but the Army would never do that.
QuoteIsn't the Army Aviation (Warrent Officers, chopper pilots) uniform already very similar?
WHAT??? The only different uniform for Army Aviation is the flight suit. The new Army Army Aviation Combat Uniform (A2CU) is 2-piece & looks almost just like ACUs - which is kind of the point, ie not sniper bait.
OSCAR... MIKE... GOLF!
OK, I give up!
After seeing the Navy's abortion and this Army uniform, I promise I will NEVER whine about the TPU again!
In fact, by comparison, WE look pretty sharp in the TPU.
I still wish we'd lose the silver sleeve braid, though.
Wow I am glad the wear date isnt until 2014. I should be gone by then, that thing in horrible as the Class B set up.
What is wrong with the sown on Combat Patch? The Metal Pin looks sharp but you need some place else to put it besides the bottom right pocket where other badges already go.
With the Jacket I have always thought that to be my favorite uniform. I think it looks really sharp. The addition of a combat patch and some over seas strips would have looked great in my opinion
Quote from: alamrcn on August 25, 2008, 11:26:26 PM
The Army white shirt for our Aviator shirt. Haven't actually seen one, but it seems to meet the same purpose and sounds logical as a more plentiful resource to me. Assuming everyone on our end said "heck ya," would we have to get Army approval to use it?
I looked at the uniforms on the linked-to website for awhile... and after awhile, they start to not be THAT bad. Isn't this just more of a shock to the system after having had the preceeding uniform for so long? Look at it this way... Say the new uniform has been used for decades, and all of a sudden they change to having EVERYTHING a shade of GREEN! Eewwww.
Isn't the Army Aviation (Warrent Officers, chopper pilots) uniform already very similar?
I am lost on this one. You think we wear a white shirt to go fly on our everyday mission? Warrants or even Commissioned Pilots in the Army wear like what was already said the A2CUs or a one piece flight suit which are being phased out as of right now. As it comes to the service uniform the Army Aviation world is just the same as the rest of the Army. We just get wings ;D
They didn't want to sew patches onto a jacket used in lieu of a tux. I would agree with that. They should go with patches on the shirt though. I wouldn't mind seeing sew-on sleeve stripes for NCOs instead of on the eps too (jr enlisted still pin the collar).
We already have pins for tabs (SF, ranger, sapper, etc). I don't really like those, but whatever. It doesn't look TOO bad as long as you're only wearing one badge on the pocket. Not even CAP tries to double up on the same pocket. That's silly. I don't like it on the jacket either.
They are adding overseas stripes to the coat for both officer and enlisted. I don't like it on the officer coat. Service stripes are gone for enlisted. I also don't like commission braid on NCO pants or coat.
Okay, let us think about this. The setup for this new shirt is the exact same as the Class B shirt (minus the combat pin). That is, everything that that guy is wearing is in the same place as it would be on a Class B shirt. With everything pinned to the Class B shirt, it still looks stupid. I have a feeling that you will see just about the same number of people wearing everything on the white shirt as you see wearing everything on the class B shirt.
The jacket is the same set up as the Dress Blues except for the combat pin.
Over all, the uniform is not really all that different than the already established uniforms. The ASU jacket is the exact same as the Dress Blues. The White shirt is the exact same as the Class B uniform. So really there is nothing to complain about. The bloused boots is only for Airborne Units (82nd, 101st, SF, Ranger, etc). So you will not see that as a common practice for the general Army.
Personally, I like the white shirt with the blue pants better than the Marine Corps Class C uniforms. After all, the khaki shirt with dress blue pants just looks dorky to me.
This picture I think is simply better with the white shirt since the guy is not wearing the Airborne getup. personally, I think the Airborne getup needs to go away. You are already wearing enough to identify that you are in an Airborne unit that you do not need to wear bloused boots. After all, the color field behind the Airborne Wings and the Maroon Beret is not enough.
(http://z.about.com/d/usmilitary/1/G/k/z/3/newarmyuniform.jpg)
Quote from: Whocares on August 26, 2008, 02:59:56 AM
Okay, let us think about this. The setup for this new shirt is the exact same as the Class B shirt (minus the combat pin). That is, everything that that guy is wearing is in the same place as it would be on a Class B shirt. With everything pinned to the Class B shirt, it still looks stupid. I have a feeling that you will see just about the same number of people wearing everything on the white shirt as you see wearing everything on the class B shirt.
The jacket is the same set up as the Dress Blues except for the combat pin.
Over all, the uniform is not really all that different than the already established uniforms. The ASU jacket is the exact same as the Dress Blues. The White shirt is the exact same as the Class B uniform. So really there is nothing to complain about. The bloused boots is only for Airborne Units (82nd, 101st, SF, Ranger, etc). So you will not see that as a common practice for the general Army.
Personally, I like the white shirt with the blue pants better than the Marine Corps Class C uniforms. After all, the khaki shirt with dress blue pants just looks dorky to me.
This picture I think is simply better with the white shirt since the guy is not wearing the Airborne getup. personally, I think the Airborne getup needs to go away. You are already wearing enough to identify that you are in an Airborne unit that you do not need to wear bloused boots. After all, the color field behind the Airborne Wings and the Maroon Beret is not enough.
(http://z.about.com/d/usmilitary/1/G/k/z/3/newarmyuniform.jpg)
You know what you are exactly right. There really isnt a huge difference between the two other than the Combat Pin and specialty tabs. I think on the Class B shirt though it makes it way to bussy. Now I know as well as most others that nobody really wears the Class B uniform. Mostly worn in the Class A uniform.
I guess I see the Tux side of things but what would it really matter to have a Combat Patch or unit patch on the tux?
Maybe the fix could be moving unit patch and combat patch to the shoulder boards instead of wearing the DUI on them. I dont know I think it would be easier just adding the patches to make it not look so cluttered.
I personally like the Airborne blousing the pants but it just looks a little on in the blues. The Army gives the Infantry all the special cool stuff so maybe it is just my Infantry envy but who knows.
It's too much bling in the example, but very few people would ever be that self-centered. On the jacket, sure go all out, but on the shirt it should be more reserved.
I hate the blousing of blue pants. I hate the beret w/ blues. Overall though, I think it's the white shirt that's catching the most heat. Gray would have gone over better. I don't like the couple changes to the jacket, but they're minor.
Quote from: DNall on August 25, 2008, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: cap235629 on August 25, 2008, 06:00:55 PM
Oh and at least we now know that black leather combat boots will still be available through AAFES!
That would be much more expensive jump boots, and only in those targeted markets at Airborne units. Not the help you're looking for.
QuoteMaybe we can adopt this white shirt in place of the aviator shirt to make it more accessible and affordable.
And standardized. Now that's a great idea.
Along that vain, the black windbreaker and a new black pullover and cardigan sweaters will be avail to wear with the class Bs. That's additional outerwear for our corps.
MP's are everywhere and also wear the bloused boots when on patrol duties in garrison when class a or b is the uniform of the day
But everybody wearing the Buss driver cap though? I know they use to back in the day but I dont know about it. The Beret isnt the best choice either but I think it is better than the other option available. I noticed that it says commanders can make the decision on the head gear worn and I am sure that it will be the beret just for the simple state. I own the blues and wear a Stetson which I think looks a ton better with the uniform.
The white shirt I agree it stand out way to much against the uniform, but the gray just looked dirty I thought. I am just not crazy about it all though. The Combat pin just makes it look to busy. Will the pins all be the same size? Or will they be similar to the actually patches. Could you imagine a recruiter badge next to the 7 in 1st Cav patch?
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/hatentx/IMG_0010.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/hatentx/img073.jpg)
Quote from: cap235629 on August 26, 2008, 03:42:53 AM
Quote from: DNall on August 25, 2008, 09:12:20 PM
Quote from: cap235629 on August 25, 2008, 06:00:55 PM
Oh and at least we now know that black leather combat boots will still be available through AAFES!
That would be much more expensive jump boots, and only in those targeted markets at Airborne units. Not the help you're looking for.
QuoteMaybe we can adopt this white shirt in place of the aviator shirt to make it more accessible and affordable.
And standardized. Now that's a great idea.
Along that vain, the black windbreaker and a new black pullover and cardigan sweaters will be avail to wear with the class Bs. That's additional outerwear for our corps.
How often is the MP uniform Class Bs though?
MP's are everywhere and also wear the bloused boots when on patrol duties in garrison when class b is the uniform of the day
MDW, every day before retreat, at commanders discretion everywhere.
If the installation commander wants MP's in class B, that's what he gets
When I was an MP day shift was ALWAYS in Class B on most bases (especially TRADOC bases)
I actually preferred it because my duty gear stayed put (You can wear belt keepers)
I HATED wearing a Sam Browne Belt on BDU's because everything moved around because you were wearing the belt OVER the bottom pockets of the BDU top because the waist was never in the right place.
(we also wore Brassards AND Badges on Class A/B with white MP saucer cap)
Every post I was ever on was A/B on holidays as well
Well I know now at the the Army bases I have been at now that the few MPs that are not deployed and actually on "the beat" if you will are in ACUs. I actually have never seen them in Class Bs other than in the movies about the good ol days ;)
Sadly it is mostly civilian Contractors.
Quote from: hatentx on August 26, 2008, 04:04:11 AM
Sadly it is mostly civilian Contractors.
Actually they are DA Civilians if they are "Police Officers" contractors are used for guard duty
We had them when I was in as well
I have been off AD since 1991 so my description is a bit dated, but the rules are still the same. You don't see them much at the present time because of deployments but most FORSCOM bases still have MP's on patrol augmented by DA civilian police officers
Just trying to clarify that some "legs" still blouse their Class A/B
QuoteOSCAR... MIKE... GOLF!
That's a pretty funny way of saying it! :D
QuotePersonally, I like the white shirt with the blue pants better than the Marine Corps Class C uniforms. After all, the khaki shirt with dress blue pants just looks dorky to me.
Ooops...looks like someone just PO'd a few Marines I know...
Quote from: stratoflyer on August 25, 2008, 07:29:50 PM
WHAT HAPPENED!! :-X
eh.. hold one let me compose myself here..... :-\
I think that...tha.. :-X
Give me a sec....hold on.....
Where's my air sickness bag....
rraaalllppphhhh. Man, i'm there with ya......
Stonewall, whats your voice in this?
oh wait.....He's here with us......hang on, i'll get you a bag too..
I'm having a hard time getting my head around this one. The Army has the nack for taking a really good looking uniform and making it ugly.
In my experience the old army uniform was shapeless and drab. If you went to a major airport and compared an army private with a marine private, the army private looked like one of the bag brothers.
Dress blues were for special occasions with the mess dress uniform as an optional substitute for after 1800 hrs. Using blues as an everyday uniform is going to take some getting used to.
There are some things that the army has taken in as traditional since blue was dropped pre-WW1. One of those is unit patches. The army blue uniform doesn't lend itself to this and, aparently, the army has opted to keep it patch-free. Substituting metal insignia for combat patches is a bad idea. It looks bad on an already crowded army uniform.
Keep ribbons off the shirt - make ONE badge optional.
Enlisteds wearing rank insignia on shirt collars perpetuates an old bad idea from the 1980s when the grey-green shirt was invented. Put chevrons back on the shirt sleeves.
NCOs and officers will wear stripes on the pants. The stripes on the blues pants used to be branch-colored (Long time ago). At some point, the army decided to make the leg stripe uniform, using the cav/armor color. Having NCOs wear stripes on the pants and not enlisteds is silly (or is trying to start a tradition like the marines). Take the stripes off the pants of NCOs.
I know that there's those out there who don't like berets with blues. There was a problem - they could proscribe all of the berets but they'd have a problem with the SF green beenie. Since it was authorized by presidential proclaimation, only W or his successor can remove it (ain't gonna happen). With that said, the army wasn't going to take it away from the rangers (again), or paratroopers and have SF still wearing one.
I was an SF guy for 20 years and wore bloused pants (you can't blouse boots). But I think blousing blues pants looks awful. Besides, the folks who were in those pictures were using blousing aids - paratroopers don't blouse their pants, they stuff them. Stuffed boots would look better, but still ridiculous.
Someone had it right - this uniform makes the TPU look good.
GC
Quote from: stratoflyer on August 26, 2008, 06:19:35 AM
QuoteOSCAR... MIKE... GOLF!
That's a pretty funny way of saying it! :D
Doesn't that, however, defeat the purpose of using "OMG" to save time and space sicne "Oh My God" has fewer letters than "OSCAR... MIKE... GOLF!"
Quote from: Major Carrales on August 26, 2008, 01:17:19 PM
Quote from: stratoflyer on August 26, 2008, 06:19:35 AM
QuoteOSCAR... MIKE... GOLF!
That's a pretty funny way of saying it! :D
Doesn't that, however, defeat the purpose of using "OMG" to save time and space sicne "Oh My God" has fewer letters than "OSCAR... MIKE... GOLF!"
I'll call the police. Humor has been murdered.
I'm sorry, this is for the Army of what country???
Quote from: Pylon on August 26, 2008, 02:39:00 PM
Quote from: Major Carrales on August 26, 2008, 01:17:19 PM
Quote from: stratoflyer on August 26, 2008, 06:19:35 AM
QuoteOSCAR... MIKE... GOLF!
That's a pretty funny way of saying it! :D
Doesn't that, however, defeat the purpose of using "OMG" to save time and space sicne "Oh My God" has fewer letters than "OSCAR... MIKE... GOLF!"
I'll call the police. Humor has been murdered.
Yes, the moderators here killed it long ago. Statute of limitiation! ;) That's a joke, son!!!
Actually, the West Point Band has been wearing this very uniform for years....
You know, if they keep the 'perma-creases' off the shirt, we now have a good source for CSU shirts.
Gotta find a silver lining somewhere in the clouds. . .
Hey, folks: hang around another 51 years and the uniform will change again. I was graduating from ROTC in 1957 when the greens became the uniform. I went through four years in college wearing Pinks and Greens(how many of you folks remember them?). The switch from brown to black shoes came about a year or two earlier. Same sort of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the late 50s: everybody got over it. I don't particularly like the white shirt, mostly because it gets dirty so quickly. When fresh and clean, it looks great. I am relieved that I don't have to shell out several thousands of bucks to buy the new stuff: been retired 21 years and don't even own an Army uniform(never mind not owning an AF one0.
So what's the final word on the white shirt? Anyone got to see one yet? Can someone confirm for the CSU folks whether or not this would be able to be used?
The suspense of it all.....
Lima... Oscar... Lima!
Quote from: stratoflyer on August 26, 2008, 06:04:21 PM
So what's the final word on the white shirt? Anyone got to see one yet? Can someone confirm for the CSU folks whether or not this would be able to be used?
The suspense of it all.....
Lima... Oscar... Lima!
From what I've seen in the pictures-it looks like our aviator shirt!
Quote from: Cecil DP on August 26, 2008, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: stratoflyer on August 26, 2008, 06:04:21 PM
So what's the final word on the white shirt? Anyone got to see one yet? Can someone confirm for the CSU folks whether or not this would be able to be used?
The suspense of it all.....
Lima... Oscar... Lima!
From what I've seen in the pictures-it looks like our aviator shirt!
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
LOL...some people are a little late on the news but they are still having the same effects of seeing this uniform.
Look, we'll get used to it. Give it time.
I was looking for someone who has purchased this uniform and wears it to tell us whether the white shirt would work on the TPU CSU (sorry, old habit there). One thing is to see it on a pic on the internet, and another thing is to see it, feel it, and wear it.
I was reading in the Army Times today and it was saying the the White shirt will have military creases so I don't believe it will be an Aviator shirt. I wouldn't expect them to hit the clothing and sale for a few more months.
What they mean is that some people are wearing white shirts which are similar in style to the USAF light blue and Army light green shirts in lieu of the aviator shirt of a style and type as sold by Vanguard.
Quote from: stratoflyer on August 26, 2008, 06:04:21 PM
So what's the final word on the white shirt? Anyone got to see one yet? Can someone confirm for the CSU folks whether or not this would be able to be used?
It is EXACTLY like the current AF blue or Army light green shirt in cut & construction (pockets, eps, etc), but of course plain white like a dress shirt. The perm mil creases ref'd are NOT like the marine/navy shirt creases. They're talking about perm creased sleeves (I believe the crease is over stitched a few mils to keep it crisp & in place).
So, YES it will be perfect for CSU shirts, and I would argue should be adopted as the standard, in practice if not in reg.
This is auth starting 1 Oct, and they are telling soldiers to use commercially avail white shirts w/ pockets/eps. That means our CSU/Aviator shirts will be in short supply starting in Oct & running for about six months. The standardized shirt they will be putting out will be avail sometime this year. The mandatory date to use the stuff they specify will by Oct 09. So, that should give you a gauge on when/what you can expect as far as issues w/ our CSU shirt.
This is the official announcement message:
http://www.marlowwhite.com/army/uniforms/service-dress-blue/asu-wear-policy.html (http://www.marlowwhite.com/army/uniforms/service-dress-blue/asu-wear-policy.html)
And by they way, that's on the Marlow White website. If you'll keep an eye over there they'll have the shirts in question probably before anyone else, and best quality with superb service.
Has the BoG authorized the use of this CAP uniform by the Army? Fairs fair after all.... >:D
I decked out my aviator shirt with my Army Cadets insignia just to get a little eyeball into what it *sort of* looks like..
Ugh. And I don't have a whole bunch of bling-bling like the guy in the photo.
Then I realized that I have the high-waisted trousers. Grrr. Gotta buy new pants.
Quote from: DNall on August 26, 2008, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: stratoflyer on August 26, 2008, 06:04:21 PM
So what's the final word on the white shirt? Anyone got to see one yet? Can someone confirm for the CSU folks whether or not this would be able to be used?
It is EXACTLY like the current AF blue or Army light green shirt in cut & construction (pockets, eps, etc), but of course plain white like a dress shirt. The perm mil creases ref'd are NOT like the marine/navy shirt creases. They're talking about perm creased sleeves (I believe the crease is over stitched a few mils to keep it crisp & in place).
So, YES it will be perfect for CSU shirts, and I would argue should be adopted as the standard, in practice if not in reg.
This is auth starting 1 Oct, and they are telling soldiers to use commercially avail white shirts w/ pockets/eps. That means our CSU/Aviator shirts will be in short supply starting in Oct & running for about six months. The standardized shirt they will be putting out will be avail sometime this year. The mandatory date to use the stuff they specify will by Oct 09. So, that should give you a gauge on when/what you can expect as far as issues w/ our CSU shirt.
This is the official announcement message:
http://www.marlowwhite.com/army/uniforms/service-dress-blue/asu-wear-policy.html (http://www.marlowwhite.com/army/uniforms/service-dress-blue/asu-wear-policy.html)
And by they way, that's on the Marlow White website. If you'll keep an eye over there they'll have the shirts in question probably before anyone else, and best quality with superb service.
Forget Marlow White: give it an extra 50% markup, understock it, and offer it to members with a 10 to 12 week lead-time, and send them the wrong size, and you have Vangu. . . . oops, sorry! ::)
^ ;D
LOL
Here's the full-blown website.
Caution: may cause dizziness and slight nausea
http://www.army.mil/asu/
What is the branch color of Military Intelligence? It looks like the female captain is wearing Infantry Blue shoulder epaulets, but is wearing MI lapel brass.
Maybe she is Moblie Infantry? ;D
Quote from: MIKE on August 28, 2008, 02:40:17 PM
Maybe she is Moblie Infantry? ;D
YES, YES, YES!!! Go get ST3 now, they have some new uniforms and new weapons!
Kach: the branch color for MI is Teal Blue. It is not too far off the Infantry blue, but it is different. I wore it for 26 of my 30 years. Wore the Brick Red of Transportation for the other four years.
Quote from: alamrcn on August 28, 2008, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 28, 2008, 02:40:17 PM
Maybe she is Moblie Infantry? ;D
YES, YES, YES!!! Go get ST3 now, they have some new uniforms and new weapons!
Color is actually Teal blue with silver-gray piping (gotta look real close.)
ST3: they ALSO have Jolene Blalock (T'Pol of Enterprise fame,)
oh yeah!Also, I imagine the the "After-six" formal uniform wear rules would still apply, i.e., no headgear with the dress uniform to social functions after retreat (6 P.M.) I mean, really: Beret and bow-tie is just
wrong. And if the uniform is worn as formalwear, no bloused jump-boots (?) Bloused boots and bow-tie is even more
wrong.
Quote from: O-Rex on August 28, 2008, 04:23:41 PM
Also, I imagine the the "After-six" formal uniform wear rules would still apply, i.e., no headgear with the dress uniform to social functions after retreat (6 P.M.) I mean, really: Beret and bow-tie is just wrong. And if the uniform is worn as formalwear, no bloused jump-boots (?) Bloused boots and bow-tie is even more wrong.
6pm is not a hard time. It is based on the base commander. I have seen 1700, 1730, and 1800.
Quote from: O-Rex on August 28, 2008, 12:27:46 PM
Here's the full-blown website.
Caution: may cause dizziness and slight nausea
http://www.army.mil/asu/
It looks like a carnival game. Whack-a-Uniform. ;D
This is my favorite line from that web site:
"Senior Army Leaders pulsed the force for more than two years..." I imagine that started to hurt after a while. How exactly does one pulse the force, anyway?
Say what you will about Vista, but the Snipping Tool pwns.
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5888.0;attach=2204)
^ Nice :D
LOL! LOL!! very funny!
Whack a uniform!! HOOAH!!!
Semi Off Topic
According to the Air Force Print News, GEN Swartz, the new AF CoS has decided to postpone any decisions on the new Service Dress jacket until 2010. He wants to get the ABU's and the PT Uniform problems fixed before they start dealing with the new Service Dress jacket.
Isn't that refreshing, somebody who actually has their priorities straight! :clap:
One uniform over another is priorities right? As opposed to maybe fixing that jacked up tanker competition? It's a good call, but "priorities" is not the word I would have used there.
Empires in decline always seem to compensate by going more comic opera in the uniform dept. Russia had swell ones in Feb. '17 and Aug. '91.
Freankin yankee communist... just kidding!!! Guess CAP is screwed then. :P
I'm glad to see the Air Force reining in its uniform madness a little. Seems to me that the security of our nuclear assets and getting the KC-X competition right would be more important than backtracking on the McPeak uniform. Don't fix what isn't broken.
Probably says a lot about the previous leadership, to have taken its eye off the ball like that. The new chief of staff seems to have his priorities straight, and that's a darned good thing.
Leave the service uniform alone. It's just fine. In fact, it's what the Army conceptualized for a separate Air Force. The money wasted on uniform prototypes could have been spent on badly needed equipment, or maybe to pay a couple of officers who took a buyout.
Just a correction, since it was broached in this thread:
MI's colors ar ORIENTAL blue with "silver-gray piping".
"Branch Immaterial" and "Public Affairs" use Teal Blue with yellow piping. They are the only two branches that are known to still use the "Teal Blue" representing "Branch Immaterial" along with the Command Sergeant Major.
Quote from: O-Rex on August 28, 2008, 04:23:41 PM
Quote from: alamrcn on August 28, 2008, 03:55:22 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 28, 2008, 02:40:17 PM
Maybe she is Moblie Infantry? ;D
YES, YES, YES!!! Go get ST3 now, they have some new uniforms and new weapons!
Color is actually Teal blue with silver-gray piping (gotta look real close.)
ST3: they ALSO have Jolene Blalock (T'Pol of Enterprise fame,) oh yeah!
Also, I imagine the the "After-six" formal uniform wear rules would still apply, i.e., no headgear with the dress uniform to social functions after retreat (6 P.M.) I mean, really: Beret and bow-tie is just wrong. And if the uniform is worn as formalwear, no bloused jump-boots (?) Bloused boots and bow-tie is even more wrong.
My mistake. It looked like Infantry Blue in the pic.
Actually, I figured there was no branch color at all to MI, since nobody else has a need-to-know... ::)
Fixed quote - MIKE
Interesting!!! I guess that they changed the name of the blue since I retired 21 years ago. I transferred to MI when it became a separate branch (actually called Army Intelligence and Security in those days) and I am pretty sure that the blue was called Teal. Oh well!!!!
Quote from: NAYBOR on August 30, 2008, 11:43:44 PM
"Branch Immaterial" and "Public Affairs" use Teal Blue with yellow piping.
Teal blue with white is branch immaterial.
Sergeant Major of the Army has no color assigned. In fact AR 670-1 does not even make mention of E-9s using any branch color since enlisted personnel do not wear branch color. Even on the mess dress, enlisted wear dark blue lapels, chaplains black, general officers dark blue, and all other officers the first listed color on page 249 of AR 670-1.
All this mention of Army branch colors remind me of the WWII German Waffenfarbe. ;D Their system to distinguish combat arms/branches was quite complicated. Even the Luftwaffe and the Waffen SS got in on their own complicated Waffenfarbe system. The Kriegsmarine (navy) wisely kept it simple - as far as I can remember they didn't use Waffenfarbe.
Thank God Ma Blue never implemented one... :D ;D
Quote from: MIKE on August 28, 2008, 02:40:17 PM
Maybe she is Moblie Infantry? ;D
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Quote from: AlphaSigOU on September 01, 2008, 01:15:58 PM
All this mention of Army branch colors remind me of the WWII German Waffenfarbe. ;D Their system to distinguish combat arms/branches was quite complicated. Even the Luftwaffe and the Waffen SS got in on their own complicated Waffenfarbe system. The Kriegsmarine (navy) wisely kept it simple - as far as I can remember they didn't use Waffenfarbe.
Thank God Ma Blue never implemented one... :D ;D
Ma Blue doesn't have branches.
I wore the green and gold of the Military Police on my set of blues. The area I lived in was Engineer-heavy, with two battalions and a brigade hq within 20 miles. Lots of scarlet epaulets. Two or three Infantry Blue from the NG company in Bowling Green, and sometimes a Cavalry buff yellow from the Cleaveland-area 107th ACR. Add in some color-of-dried-blood medics, and you would have a very colorful and festive assortment of rank devices and sleeve lace!
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Orientation flights on military aircraft are high-speed, you get me Cadets?
WE GET YOU, SIR!
Sorry, couldn't help myself. Now back to the real new Army uniforms...
As for the jacket & tie combo, I don't see it being worn a whole lot in day-to-day duty, not even in the pentagon, which I understand has gone to "warfighter uniforms," i.e., ACU's, ABU's & Marpats (chime in, active-duty folks) I don't think the braid & insignia would stand up to daily wear (Dress Blue Officer bling is Expen$ive!) Those of you who remember the "deluxe" bullion bling, forget it!
One thing does come to mind: the only use for Army Officer's full-color metal pin-on is for Berets and Windbreakers/Overcoats, right?
Full-color patches will probably become collectors items in 20 years. . . .
SJFedor: is that still photo from SST3??
Quote from: O-Rex on September 02, 2008, 08:36:30 PM
As for the jacket & tie combo, I don't see it being worn a whole lot in day-to-day duty, not even in the pentagon, which I understand has gone to "warfighter uniforms," i.e., ACU's, ABU's & Marpats (chime in, active-duty folks) I don't think the braid & insignia would stand up to daily wear (Dress Blue Officer bling is Expen$ive!) Those of you who remember the "deluxe" bullion bling, forget it!
One thing does come to mind: the only use for Army Officer's full-color metal pin-on is for Berets and Windbreakers/Overcoats, right?
yeah metal grade would would only be for berets & alternate jackets (windbreaker, raincoat, etc). And yes, full color patches go away.
Utility uniforms are worn at work in Washington now - following the example of the Army policy. It's still not an everyday thing, and it's not appropriate for a lot of situations. Longer-term, as we ramp back down from war, we'll return to wearing Class A/B for office environments.
(http://www.motifake.com/temp/d189069108.jpg)
This uniform is just plain ugly and screams JROTC.
Its so bad, That I can't stop laughing to post a comment.
ROFLMAO.
Quote from: Rob Goodman on November 20, 2008, 04:53:53 PM
Its so bad, That I can't stop laughing to post a comment.
ROFLMAO.
I was at AUSA two years ago when they rolled out "Army Strong!" and let me just say that a certain fellow member of mine who is an SFC in Afghanistan at the moment, used the phrase "Army Gay!" to describe his feelings about "Army Strong!"
So much so that there is a poster to that effect that I cannot share publicly.
;)
I'm really thankful for this CAP relevant and informative message thread. ::)
Quote from: D2SK on November 20, 2008, 06:54:04 PM
I'm really thankful for this CAP relevant and informative message thread. ::)
It is distantly related in that members who wish to wear a more military-style-cut white shirt with the CSU can probably use this new Army shirt once produced. It's also interesting to note the creation of new military uniforms (and specifically what direction theirs has taken) while our uniforms are also in a state of flux.
Correct... and, correct.
The shirt will be avail March 2009 from Marlow White. Right now they're recommending temporary use of the same shirts we're using. I would almost promise you the Army white shirt will become the CAP standard, either officially or unofficially, shortly thereafter.
It is also interesting to note the degree of out-o-control bling the Army let onto even the class B version. It makes it harder to justify keeping CAP's bling obsessed under control.
It's also an almost 3 month old thread, so drive on.
Quote from: DNall on November 20, 2008, 09:00:57 PM
Correct... and, correct.
The shirt will be avail March 2009 from Marlow White. Right now they're recommending temporary use of the same shirts we're using. I would almost promise you the Army white shirt will become the CAP standard, either officially or unofficially, shortly thereafter.
Totally disagree.
Most Senior Members will likely not even know about the transition, nore will they be willing to buy a new shirt when the old commerical pilots style does just fine.
I'm actually thinking we're going to mandate it with a several year transition period. Call it 2011-13, but that's a guess.
It doesn't matter that it's an Army shirt or not. The key is the quality & standardized cut that matches the blues shirt. Not trying to make anyone rush out and buy something new. Just replace it with this when that one wears out, and they do after a year or two. This is a great shirt coming out. I think most people will really like it.
All you uniform weenies should love this. It's just been announced but this URL will take you to the new CAP uniform for SMWOG.
http://tinyurl.com/5rdcyh
Just screams Neidamyer (sp?) to me. Animal House for you younger ones out there
Quote from: D2SK on November 20, 2008, 10:45:02 PM
All you uniform weenies should love this. It's just been announced but this URL will take you to the new CAP uniform for SMWOG.
http://tinyurl.com/5rdcyh
OK, OK. look you.....guys,,,,,have...to...stop..I can't...type..and...,while...wiping..the tears of joy...from...my eyes...(laugh) :clap:
Oh stop it please!!!!!!!!!!!!! rolling across floor, please stop....
I think I way have soiled my self.....please...stop....rolling across floor :o
Quote from: O-Rex on September 02, 2008, 08:36:30 PM
SJFedor: is that still photo from SST3??
Believe it's from the original, on the first major drop on Klendathu.
And now that I sound like a total nerd....
yes. yes you do.
Quote from: D2SK on November 20, 2008, 10:45:02 PM
All you uniform weenies should love this. It's just been announced but this URL will take you to the new CAP uniform for SMWOG.
http://tinyurl.com/5rdcyh
Village People?
I would make that uniform look sweeeeet! lol ;D
Quote from: SJFedor on November 21, 2008, 11:34:37 AM
Quote from: O-Rex on September 02, 2008, 08:36:30 PM
SJFedor: is that still photo from SST3??
Believe it's from the original, on the first major drop on Klendathu.
And now that I sound like a total nerd....
Did you notice that there are no crew-served weapons and no indirect-fire weapons in the future? Since I still remember how to site my key weapons and plan for FPF's, H&I fires, and pre-registered targets along the high-speed avenues of approach, I already feel like a dinosaur.
And, FYI, "Rodger Young" was a fellow from Clyde, Ohio who earned the Medal of Honor fighting in the Pacific with the 37th Infantry Division. It was awarded posthumously.
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