Here's the new Navy Service Uniform for E-1 through E-6. It will be available July 31. If it wasn't for the black cover and black pants I'd say they just copied the Marine Corps.
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/04579894-3968-400E-A4DC-92F424A7EFE4/0/NavyPosterSUMale.pdf
I do like it better than the traditional uniform though.
Wow.......
I DONT like it.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...
As much as I hated the "Storm Trooper" uniform it was much better than that.
If Pineda joined the Navy, who's running the US Ranger Corps?
I liked the Johnny Cash's... I plan on getting the CG version as soon as I can find a Winter Dress Blue shirt that fits... may have to wait for the new ones though.
I don't like these... It smacks of khakis, but not quite because we can't have E-1-E-6 in those. The old Salt 'n Peppers would be my vote... but I wear Tropical Blue Long. >:D Or even short sleeved black shirt would look better if you don't like two-tone.
Honestly though... the way the USCG does it works.
Love the service dress khakis coming back though.
Ugh...
One of the prototypes they were looking at was much nicer. Khaki shirt, dark BLUE (Since when was black a Navy color...) pants and garrison cap, and a Khaki belt. It looked sharp. Still had the sew on, sleeve rate insignia with a rating badge too. If they are going to do metal pin on then they should have rate on one side and rating on the other.
Quote from: Grumpy on July 22, 2008, 03:55:15 PM
Here's the new Navy Service Uniform for E-1 through E-6. It will be available July 31. If it wasn't for the black cover and black pants I'd say they just copied the Marine Corps.
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/04579894-3968-400E-A4DC-92F424A7EFE4/0/NavyPosterSUMale.pdf
I do like it better than the traditional uniform though.
Is it me, or does he look like the Pillsbury dough boy?
See, we don't just complain about CAP's uniforms ::)
Quote from: Grumpy on July 22, 2008, 03:55:15 PM
Here's the new Navy Service Uniform for E-1 through E-6. It will be available July 31. If it wasn't for the black cover and black pants I'd say they just copied the Marine Corps.
http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/04579894-3968-400E-A4DC-92F424A7EFE4/0/NavyPosterSUMale.pdf
I do like it better than the traditional uniform though.
The good thing is that when, and if, they make it into the "Goat Locker", they only have to purchase new trousers rather than the whole set of khakis (BTW Women wear pants,
MEN wear trousers)
Got your attention didn't it? >:D
No more Dixie Cup?
No 13-button broadfall?
No neckerchief in mourning for Admiral Nelson?
No bellbottoms?
No Liberty Cuffs?
No tradition?
No heritage?
No thank you.
I like it. Then again, I have a mind that may be too wide open ;D
I guess uniform changes are not easy for a lot of folks. The Army did away with a few uniforms as well.
Quote from: stratoflyer on July 23, 2008, 04:27:09 AM
I guess uniform changes are not easy for a lot of folks. The Army did away with a few uniforms as well.
Their dress blues are sharp.
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on July 23, 2008, 12:40:40 AM
No more Dixie Cup?
No 13-button broadfall?
No neckerchief in mourning for Admiral Nelson?
No bellbottoms?
No Liberty Cuffs?
No tradition?
No heritage?
No thank you.
I believe, (Correct me if I'm wrong...) that the traditional 'Crackerjack' uniforms are being kept (and, in fact becoming more 'traditional'), this new uniform is to replace Summer Whites and the Winter Blue (Johnny Cash) uniforms... Then when they intoduce the NWU (read: Blue MARPAT) BDUs and the current blue working uniform will go away.
It is interesting how the Navy is making its dress uniforms more 'traditional', with the reintroduction of bell-bottoms, and the khaki service coat for officers, and all of that, while it is moving in the opposite direction with work uniforms....
Quote from: DC on July 23, 2008, 12:24:30 PM
It is interesting how the Navy is making its dress uniforms more 'traditional', with the reintroduction of bell-bottoms, and the khaki service coat for officers, and all of that, while it is moving in the opposite direction with work uniforms....
I'm of the opinion that tradition should be a lesser consideration for work uniforms. Their form should be based on the functions performed in them, and work functions do change over time as technology changes.
Now dress uniforms, that is where tradition should have a strong hand.
Looks too much like the marine corp uniform.
Quote from: CAP_truth on July 25, 2008, 09:07:07 PM
Looks too much like the marine corp uniform.
I was gonna say that, but was waiting for someone to make the same conclusion. From a distance it looks like a US Marine Corps uniform.
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 25, 2008, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: CAP_truth on July 25, 2008, 09:07:07 PM
Looks too much like the marine corp uniform.
I was gonna say that, but was waiting for someone to make the same conclusion. From a distance it looks like a US Marine Corps uniform.
How so? The closest Marine uniform has green pants, a slightly different cover, also green, and sleeve rank insignia...
Quote from: DC on July 25, 2008, 10:01:53 PM
Quote from: Major Carrales on July 25, 2008, 09:19:39 PM
Quote from: CAP_truth on July 25, 2008, 09:07:07 PM
Looks too much like the marine corp uniform.
I was gonna say that, but was waiting for someone to make the same conclusion. From a distance it looks like a US Marine Corps uniform.
How so? The closest Marine uniform has green pants, a slightly different cover, also green, and sleeve rank insignia...
all I am saying is that it is reminiscent of the Marine Corps uniform. That is why I waited for someone else to say it first.
As a retired Sailor, I think it looks like crap!
YMMV.
With that uniform from a distance I could probably mistake that for the Marine Corps Service Charlies if the wearer wasn't wearing a cover and/or rank insignia on it
I don't care for it either. What was wrong with the current uniform??
IIRC, their reasoning was that the existing uniforms get dirty too easy, and to cut down the number of uniforms in the sea bag.
I saw an Naval Officer wearing a khaki service coat on television the other day, for some reason I thought of Jack Lemon.
(http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_070919-N-5319A-005.jpg)
070919-N-5319A-005 WASHINGTON (Sept. 19, 2007) – Three Sailors show off the prototype uniforms for service dress white and service dress khaki. The prototype service dress khaki uniform is a throwback to the traditional WWII style. The uniform allows for chiefs and officers to shift from service khaki to service dress khaki by adding a black tie and jacket. The prototype service dress white uniform focuses on better fabric and fit of the uniform without drastically changing the look. The most visible change of the uniform is adding blue piping along the cuffs and the collar. The fabric is polyester, which allows for improved ventilation and can be washed with no dry-cleaning necessary. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Brien Aho (RELEASED)
source: http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=51109
I think I saw a Navy admiral testifying before Congress about something last week and the uniform looked horrible on him as I recall.
Quote from: RiverAux on July 27, 2008, 09:06:18 PM
I think I saw a Navy admiral testifying before Congress about something last week and the uniform looked horrible on him as I recall.
That is exactally what I saw, there was something not right about the color of the jacket and the khaki undershirt he was wearing.
Nice to know that it's not just the Air Force who's screwing up their uniforms! :clap:
I personally like the new Khaki service coat, I'm not big on 'heritage' uniforms, but I always though Khakis looked sharp, and the logic behind the uniform is undeniable.
The officer on TV was Adm. Mullen, the current Chairman of the Joint Chiefs...
I too saw Admiral Mullen's appearance and thought the khaki jacket with shoulderboards looked great! I'll reserve any comment on the E-1 to E-6 uniform; I've never been in the Navy, but have many friends who are retired from that service. I'll find out where they stand as time goes by. But the throwback khakis for chiefs and officers look great, to me.
Jack
I never really liked black and khaki together. What do above E-6 people wear? Do they too have a variant on this khaki and black uniform, or will they wear the total khaki uniform like the Officers?
I guess distinguishing between the three distinct groups in the service (Enlisted, NCO and Officer) is a good thing.
Quote from: mikeylikey on July 28, 2008, 02:49:14 PM
I never really liked black and khaki together. What do above E-6 people wear? Do they too have a variant on this khaki and black uniform, or will they wear the total khaki uniform like the Officers?
E-7 and above wear khaki.
As I've mentioned... I dig the SDK, but I don't like the piping on the SDW concept.
I believe E-7 and above also have the same dress whites as the officers.
Chiefs, (E-7 through E-9) wear essentially the same uniforms as officers, only a few slight differences. They wear full khakis, officer dress uniforms, and are entitiled to the gold tapes on coveralls (E-6 and below wear silver).
not for nothin, but if you'll scroll to page 2 of this link (below), you'll see the Navy actually spends the LEAST of any service on initial clothing issue. Don't ask me how that's possible with the very full closet they seem to have, but that's what it says. Of course they seem to turn it around pretty quickly (yearly allowance). Guess that's what they get for wearing white.
http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/militarypaytables/2008MilitaryPayCharts35.pdf (http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/militarypaytables/2008MilitaryPayCharts35.pdf)
Quote from: DNall on July 31, 2008, 03:39:28 AM
not for nothing, but if you'll scroll to page 2 of this link (below), you'll see the Navy actually spends the LEAST of any service on initial clothing issue. Don't ask me how that's possible with the very full closet they seem to have, but that's what it says. Of course they seem to turn it around pretty quickly (yearly allowance). Guess that's what they get for wearing white.
http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/militarypaytables/2008MilitaryPayCharts35.pdf (http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/militarypaytables/2008MilitaryPayCharts35.pdf)
Different uniform manufactures most likely.
Anyway.....you should be getting a uniform allowance for Commissioning! Like a present ;)
Does the Guard get the same uniform allowance as AD even though Guard Officers are not required to own Blues??
Quote from: mikeylikey on July 31, 2008, 04:14:52 AM
Does the Guard get the same uniform allowance as AD even though Guard Officers are not required to own Blues??
Assuming that you're asking Dennis about the Army, I was puzzled by that -- the Army's only coat-and-tie uniform as of 2011 is going to be Blues, so why wouldn't Guard officers be required to own one?
Jack
Quote from: ColonelJack on July 31, 2008, 12:40:22 PM
Quote from: mikeylikey on July 31, 2008, 04:14:52 AM
Does the Guard get the same uniform allowance as AD even though Guard Officers are not required to own Blues??
Assuming that you're asking Dennis about the Army, I was puzzled by that -- the Army's only coat-and-tie uniform as of 2011 is going to be Blues, so why wouldn't Guard officers be required to own one?
Jack
They are not part of the "bag" as of yet.....and National Guard members are allowed to buy Blues at their own expense, but the actual uniform has never been required of them, only AD
Quote from: mikeylikey on July 31, 2008, 01:24:58 PM
They are not part of the "bag" as of yet.....and National Guard members are allowed to buy Blues at their own expense, but the actual uniform has never been required of them, only AD
But my point was that in three years or less, they will be part of the "bag" and required of all Army personnel -- AD, Reserve, and Guard. Yes?
Jack
^ Yes, most likely.
Quote from: MIKE on July 22, 2008, 05:29:38 PM
I liked the Johnny Cash's... I plan on getting the CG version as soon as I can find a Winter Dress Blue shirt that fits... may have to wait for the new ones though.
I don't like these... It smacks of khakis, but not quite because we can't have E-1-E-6 in those. The old Salt 'n Peppers would be my vote... but I wear Tropical Blue Long. >:D Or even short sleeved black shirt would look better if you don't like two-tone.
Honestly though... the way the USCG does it works.
Love the service dress khakis coming back though.
Interesting side note on the Salt 'n Pepper uniform.....not only is the Navy not looking to bring it back but the US Public Health Service is doing away with them as well.....IIRC sometime in the next year.
Wonder if NOAA or PHS will go back to the khakis service dress for officers? Anyone know?
Optional? The reg says mandatory after six months of active duty. That's BOLC II/III. It's also required for OBC graduations. For practical purposes, I'm expected to be in it for the NGAT dinner every year. More immediately, my TAG expects me in class As (green) for a reception next month, and blues the next day for our formal presentation. I think the point of the reg is to save the government money, cause it's not reality.
I've heard there's a 400 allowance, but I'll believe it when I see it. I just dropped over 700 on blues (including alterations and braid on class As). If they want to defray my costs then I'm not going to argue.
Far as the new service dress. It hasn't actually been put out yet. We know they're going to the blue uniform & ditching the greens. We know the pants become high waist w/ belt loops (mine are good to go for that). But, they are still playing with the shade of gray for the class B shirt. You think CAP is slow, they've been working on this since 2006. Be nice when it's final, not that we wear anything other than ACUs 99.995% of the time anyway.
All i got to say is that a uniform is just a look its about working hard and stayin' sharp...
besides im on my way on gettin mine right now when i get off my 12hr watch....lol
besides we gotta be open minded and take what they give us.... be open for new things and be ready for a change...
Can someone please post the uniform that the army is going to?
Is this the Blue uniform that had the cape?
Or the blue uniform i saw on the guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns or what?
http://peosoldier.army.mil/factsheets/SEQ_CIE_ASU.pdf (http://peosoldier.army.mil/factsheets/SEQ_CIE_ASU.pdf)
(http://www.army.mil/symbols/uniforms/images/Slide1.jpg)
i kinda liked the green army one's...loliii
amd i love the new navy uniforms... looks awsome.....dont care what others think about it....
here is the link on the regs for the new navy service uniform..
http://www.new-navy-uniform.com/navadmin/190-08.html
Hey... what are these Army uniforms doing in a thread about Navy uniforms?
Quote from: mikeylikey on August 02, 2008, 05:59:35 AM
http://peosoldier.army.mil/factsheets/SEQ_CIE_ASU.pdf (http://peosoldier.army.mil/factsheets/SEQ_CIE_ASU.pdf)
Yes, but it isn't official yet. They're still playing with weaves/shades/details. The cadet gray shirt is the big thing that isn't done yet, but they haven't said for absolute sure that they aren't going to modify the coat/pants slightly. We're just working on assumption based on a general concept they've put out.
Quote from: MIKE on August 02, 2008, 02:21:45 PM
Hey... what are these Army uniforms doing in a thread about Navy uniforms?
Quick side note ref how much the navy spends on initial issue/annual uniform allowance versus other services, and how much I just had to spend on Army dress blues :'( What's a navy uniform thread doing on a CAP forum?
Quote from: MIKE on August 02, 2008, 02:21:45 PM
Hey... what are these Army uniforms doing in a thread about Navy uniforms?
If I may MIKE, it believe the over all "concept" of the thread is "retro-Uniforms." Thus the NAVY change to Khakis, USAF Heritage and ARMY Blue Uniform would nto be out of place in this thread. Renaming and consolidiating all threads on such mannes under on by the Name "RETRO Uniform Movements" would best serve as a course of action.
They remain in the same general sphere of topicality.
Retro?
Will CAP go back to scarlet epaulets?
god i hope not. how about, "will CAP stick with gray eps now that the army is moving to gray shirt, making them the only service to use it as a primary color?"
Kach and DNALL,
You well know the idea is to go "retro." Seems like the powers that be might think that the GOLDEN AGE of the US military is WWII. Just look at what is being suggested in the Army, USAF and Navy.
I was wondering what a CAP heritiage uniform would look like. Blue with red epaulets (didn't someone suggest that for the new service coat a while back?) All the way back to khaki. Well, that is just a bit of blarney on my part.
I like the Gray on Blue. Gray is a nice color for CAP.
You know, I just thought of something that even makes a commentary on the division within CAP. Blue and Gray, like the War Between the States. Hummmmm...speaks volumes.
Quote from: Major Carrales on August 02, 2008, 05:06:55 PM
You know, I just thought of something that even makes a commentary on the division within CAP. Blue and Gray, like the War Between the States. Hummmmm...speaks volumes.
I think half the reason most hate the gray is the incredibly crappy quality from the same company that makes the blue ones. I don't mind the gray but the blue ones are far higher quality and thus are my preferred choice.
Just speculating, but I think some of that is CAP's fault. I'm sure they got product samples & decided on something that met the need at what they thought was a reasonable price point. While the AF obviously demanded a higher quality, which is why theirs tend to cost a bit more. obviously it's not a volume thing.
Quote from: davidsinn on August 02, 2008, 06:52:32 PM
Quote from: Major Carrales on August 02, 2008, 05:06:55 PM
You know, I just thought of something that even makes a commentary on the division within CAP. Blue and Gray, like the War Between the States. Hummmmm...speaks volumes.
I think half the reason most hate the gray is the incredibly crappy quality from the same company that makes the blue ones. I don't mind the gray but the blue ones are far higher quality and thus are my preferred choice.
No kidding. I have a couple sets of the old CAP blue officer epaulets. They are very high quality. The grey ones I have now are fraying, and just dont have a crisp look like the blue ones. Its hard to explain without holding both sets in your hands.
Too bad we can't get the blue ones back. I have multiple sets of every rank. (Just waiting for the day I guess)
Quote from: Major Carrales on August 02, 2008, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: MIKE on August 02, 2008, 02:21:45 PM
Hey... what are these Army uniforms doing in a thread about Navy uniforms?
If I may MIKE, it believe the over all "concept" of the thread is "retro-Uniforms." Thus the NAVY change to Khakis, ...
Please refresh me on when USN E-6 and below wore khaki uniforms, particularly having any resemblance to the new one presented above.
Quote from: Flying Pig on August 02, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on August 02, 2008, 06:52:32 PM
Quote from: Major Carrales on August 02, 2008, 05:06:55 PM
You know, I just thought of something that even makes a commentary on the division within CAP. Blue and Gray, like the War Between the States. Hummmmm...speaks volumes.
I think half the reason most hate the gray is the incredibly crappy quality from the same company that makes the blue ones. I don't mind the gray but the blue ones are far higher quality and thus are my preferred choice.
No kidding. I have a couple sets of the old CAP blue officer epaulets. They are very high quality. The grey ones I have now are fraying, and just dont have a crisp look like the blue ones. Its hard to explain without holding both sets in your hands.
It migth be worthy to point out that the CAP shouldermarks are larger than the USAF one or previous ones because those were not to be put on Service Coat epaulets.
Which part of your shoulder marks are fraying?
Quote from: RiverAux on July 22, 2008, 07:37:53 PM
See, we don't just complain about CAP's uniforms ::)
No, and we clearly aren't the only people who keep inventing new uniforms and combinations for virtually no good reason, eiher!
Quote from: John Bryan on July 31, 2008, 10:07:01 PM
Interesting side note on the Salt 'n Pepper uniform.....not only is the Navy not looking to bring it back but the US Public Health Service is doing away with them as well.....IIRC sometime in the next year.
Wonder if NOAA or PHS will go back to the khakis service dress for officers? Anyone know?
The Assistant Secretary of Health (http://www.hhs.gov/ophs/assistantsecretaryhealth/index.html), or ASH, has made it clear thar USPHS will follow the uniform regulations as set by the US Navy. This includes wearing the new digital camo and the khaki dress uniform.
v/r
LT
this is about the navy i was wondering who is Admiral Nelson i found stuff about a British Admiral Nelson is it the same person
You found information on Vice Admiral Horatio (The Viscount) Nelson, unconventional naval strategist and leader of men, National Hero of England.
EDIT: Found the "neckerchief reference." The above Admiral Nelson is indeed who the reference was talking about, current dress uniforms for junior enlisted sailors include a "black nekerchief."
PS: Why are you saying that you are a member of the NY Air National Guard? (152nd Air Operations Group?)
Quote from: jimmydeanno on August 18, 2008, 07:24:16 PMPS: Why are you saying that you are a member of the NY Air National Guard? (152nd Air Operations Group?)
i want to put a picture of the patches because i think it cool looking but only the words shows up
Tags - MIKE
Cody, lets not be misleading others by misrepresenting ourselves on the forum in violation of the MCoC.
And since this thread appears to have reached the bitter end...