CG Lake Worth Florida
CG Lake Worth Florida Open House 17 May 2008
CG LAke Worth Fl open house, part 2
CG Lake Worth Open house 17 May 08 part 3
CG LAke Worth open house, 17 May 08, part 4
CG LAke Worth open house 17 May 2008 part 5
I went to the USCG Lake Worth FL open house held on Saturday, 17 May 08. Everyone was super nice. Great little station. The GC Auxiliary was out in force, getting along great with the Active Duty people. Great station. My camera died during the Helicopter display, when the yanked a swimmer out of the water
I think that's all of 'em. Multiple individual topics merged.
Those Midnight Express' CBP runs are BAAAAAAAD boats.... We got smoked by one returning to a weigh in...we were doing 60+ kts. :o
What is with all the guns???
the coast guard does have guns.....
And lots of them, what with one of their primary duties being law enforcement and drug interdiction.
They ain't the Lighthouse Service anymore.
Quote from: Mister Johnny on May 18, 2008, 10:45:44 AM
I went to the USCG Lake Worth FL open house held on Saturday, 17 May 08. Everyone was super nice. Great little station. The GC Auxiliary was out in force, getting along great with the Active Duty people. Great station. My camera died during the Helicopter display, when the yanked a swimmer out of the water
Does the Coast Guard Aux get to man the M-60?
Quote from: Earhart1971 on May 27, 2008, 04:21:31 AM
Quote from: Mister Johnny on May 18, 2008, 10:45:44 AM
I went to the USCG Lake Worth FL open house held on Saturday, 17 May 08. Everyone was super nice. Great little station. The GC Auxiliary was out in force, getting along great with the Active Duty people. Great station. My camera died during the Helicopter display, when the yanked a swimmer out of the water
Does the Coast Guard Aux get to man the M-60?
Uhhhh.....NO
Quote from: Mister Johnny on May 18, 2008, 10:36:47 AM
CG Lake Worth Open house 17 May 08 part 3
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5077.0;attach=1949)
Here's the clearing barrel we use in the Air Force.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozq18r_Lt-4)
Does the Coast Guard Aux get to man the M-60?
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Uhhhh.....NO
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You sure, my Coastie Aux guy in the Squadron says they manned the harbor boats.
Quote from: Earhart1971 on May 27, 2008, 04:39:09 AM
Does the Coast Guard Aux get to man the M-60?
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Uhhhh.....NO
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You sure, my Coastie Aux guy in the Squadron says they manned the harbor boats.
Well I am trying to find the Manual reference.......Give me time
ok E.4.b of the CG Aux Operations Manual states (COMDTINST M16798.3E).....
Auxiliarists may not be used to exercise general law enforcement or military authority. The Coast Guard unit involved, however, may take all appropriate law enforcement action, notwithstanding the presence of Auxiliarists. In no event may any Auxiliarist carry firearms or be made a member of any actual boarding party deployed during law enforcement action. Auxiliarists may act as interpreters for boarding parties once the situation is deemed low risk by the Boarding officer.
While I cannot find anything on the restriction on NOT manning the boat weapons, My opinion is that manning the weapon is part of a Law Enforcement activity, and cannot me done.
With that said I could easily change my stance on this.......
That sounds right, he did say he manned the boats, and was just like a regular coastie, but I could understand the restriction on manning the M-60 and doing boarding in a high risk situation. Liability, and not putting an Aux in danger, yada, yada, that makes sense.
However... if I as an Auxilliarist am on patrol with the Coast Guard, and we get shot at, I will grab the nearest weapon and return fire. (long shot but i can hope)
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on May 27, 2008, 08:06:30 AM
However... if I as an Auxilliarist am on patrol with the Coast Guard, and we get shot at, I will grab the nearest weapon and return fire. (long shot but i can hope)
Which is why I could change my stance on this topic.
I get shot at, They're gonna get shot at....
USCG Auxiliary Operations Policy Manual (OpsPolMan) 4.E.1.b. Prohibited Support
QuoteAuxiliarists are prohibited from conducting the following activities:
• Actual boarding of a boat for law enforcement purposes other than for language interpretation.
• The carrying of firearms (by hand or holster) or any related law enforcement equipment (e.g., handcuffs, pepper spray, etc.) on their person.
• Investigating complaints of negligent operations or serving of subpoenas.
• Covert operations.
USCG Auxiliary Manual (AuxMan) 2.B.19. Support Missions for the Coast Guard
QuoteAuxiliarists shall not be vested with any titles or duties which imply or entail
law enforcement responsibilities nor shall they carry, handle, repair, or fire
weapons of any sort while assigned to Coast Guard operational missions or
Coast Guard Auxiliary activities. This includes civilian or government
employed law enforcement personnel while acting as an Auxiliarist. A waiver
to this policy may be obtained for the purpose of utilizing qualified Auxiliarists
as range coaches. Waiver requests shall not be submitted by individual
Auxiliarists, but rather the operational commander who determines a bonafide
need.
So an Auxie on a CG boat cannot pick up a weapon and return fire if fired upon. You might be better off helping the wounded, running comms, passing ammo or just staying out of the way of the professionals as they deal with the problem.
AuxMan 5.Q. Weapons
QuoteWeapons, except those worn by certified law enforcement officers in accordance with Federal, State and local laws and regulations and required by their agency policy, may not be worn, carried, or held by any Auxiliarist or guest of the Auxiliary while attending an approved Auxiliary function, including regularly scheduled division, flotilla, or detachment meetings. This prohibition extends to those who have concealed weapons permits and those who may otherwise be authorized, but not required to wear weapons when not performing law enforcement duties (i.e., offduty law enforcement officers). This prohibition extends to periods immediately preceding and following Auxiliary functions (i.e., during the fellowship periods). Weapons are excluded at all times from Government facilities, buildings, property, and military installations. Certified law enforcement officers who are required by their agency policy to carry a weapon shall be subject to the policy of the facility they are entering and may be required to check the weapon or be denied entry.
If Im under fire, Im going to return fire if a gun is availible. The Aux can decide what to
do with me later. However, I am an EMT first, and if somene on board is injured they become
my first priority. I dont mean to sound insubordinate, but its really common sense to fight back.
the aux also has rules prohibiting auxiliarists from entering the water to preform a rescue. this past season a coast guard vessel came across a boat in distress with a drowning subject in the water. As the active duty coasties struggled to remove their gun belts the auxie dove in saving the victim. the active duty coast guard recognized this volunteer with a medal.
not to bad for violating the rules
Ill dig up the source later... I know someone will ask for it.