I will be leaving tomorrow morning for Texas to attend firearms instructor training.
I will be staying at Randolph, and as a retired slug with no stupid "CAC" card I will not have internet access.
So... now is a good opportunity to talk about me behind my back! ;D
"See" you next week.
Considering that you're going to get firearms training, I think I might refrain from taking you up on this offer....
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on April 26, 2008, 08:33:05 PM
I will be staying at Randolph, and as a retired slug with no stupid "CAC" card I will not have internet access.
Hit up the base library. I'm sure you can find access if you ask at billeting.
Is a "CAC" card like a wireless card? I'm kinda dumb in the ways of computers. Just wondered cuz I think they have internet connections in all of those AF billets now and stuff. I think they might still have the wire connections in the rooms and stuff too. Not that I want you to see what we are writing about you or anything Kach.
>:D
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on April 26, 2008, 08:33:05 PM
I will be leaving tomorrow morning for Texas to attend firearms instructor training.
I will be staying at Randolph, and as a retired slug with no stupid "CAC" card I will not have internet access.
So... now is a good opportunity to talk about me behind my back! ;D
"See" you next week.
How long are you gonna be there? I'm in San Antonio on the 5th for an update on my flight physical.
Quote from: sargrunt on April 26, 2008, 09:22:39 PM
Is a "CAC" card like a wireless card?
CAC is a modern military/govt ID card. It has a computer chip in it, and in order to access any computer the govt owns now you need to insert the card in a slot. This prevents unauthorized access to the computers themselves. Some mil website also require the card for access. It's just a security feature, but more times then not is a great big PITA with all the technical issues, especially if you are moving around. For instance, the computers on my reserve base require a special certificate to access, as do the computers at another base I routinely work at. It's the same certificate with different codes on it, so I can only have one or the other loaded. Kind of nutty right? That's the govt for you.
Randolph billeting has internet that is separate from the Gub'mint network in the rooms. Ya gotta pay a buck or two a day to use it, though.
Quote from: DNall on April 26, 2008, 09:28:11 PM
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on April 26, 2008, 08:33:05 PM
I will be leaving tomorrow morning for Texas to attend firearms instructor training.
I will be staying at Randolph, and as a retired slug with no stupid "CAC" card I will not have internet access.
So... now is a good opportunity to talk about me behind my back! ;D
"See" you next week.
How long are you gonna be there? I'm in San Antonio on the 5th for an update on my flight physical.
Quote from: sargrunt on April 26, 2008, 09:22:39 PM
Is a "CAC" card like a wireless card?
CAC is a modern military/govt ID card. It has a computer chip in it, and in order to access any computer the govt owns now you need to insert the card in a slot. This prevents unauthorized access to the computers themselves. Some mil website also require the card for access. It's just a security feature, but more times then not is a great big PITA with all the technical issues, especially if you are moving around. For instance, the computers on my reserve base require a special certificate to access, as do the computers at another base I routinely work at. It's the same certificate with different codes on it, so I can only have one or the other loaded. Kind of nutty right? That's the govt for you.
I'm bugging out of Texas on May 2. My daughter graduates from the University of Central Florida on May 3rd.
hua, PM inbound.
As long as you're on the base., get a new ID card. I just had it done and it only takes 5 minutes.
^ Do they give CAC's to retired members?
Why wouldn't they?
It'd just say "retired" in the status area
I don't think they do. I live near Patrick AFB and just got a new card last year, and I got the old style pink one. I will get the blue one in about 460 days.
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on April 27, 2008, 11:11:23 AM
I don't think they do. I live near Patrick AFB and just got a new card last year, and I got the old style pink one. I will get the blue one in about 460 days.
Kach, it has been a while for me.....red was for reserves, green for AD, pink for retired, tan for disabled and
blue for?? Civilians?
Quote from: mikeylikey on April 27, 2008, 04:28:59 PM
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on April 27, 2008, 11:11:23 AM
I don't think they do. I live near Patrick AFB and just got a new card last year, and I got the old style pink one. I will get the blue one in about 460 days.
Kach, it has been a while for me.....red was for reserves, green for AD, pink for retired, tan for disabled and blue for?? Civilians?
For their dependents I know that tan is for AD Dependent and Pink for Reserve/Guard dependent. Green was for AD. The retired MSgt in my squadron has a blue one.
Retirees do not get a CAC card since they don't need access to computers and/or restricted areas.
Which is what the CAC card is used for.
Blue = Retired
Brown/Tan = Family members and some disabled vets
Pink = Old reserve ID card, now used for retired reservists (under 60)
The most significant emotional event of my military career was getting my blue ID card. Since my retirement was effective on 1 Jan 96, I had to get my new card between Christmas & New Years and had to turn in my green ID card (we didn't have CAC cards back then). For about four days, I didn't have an ID card that was good for anything. Made me a bit paranoid. Kinda like that dream where you don't have any pants on, but no one notices. ;D
GC
I thought Blue was "Officer" or was that just the vehicle tags?
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on April 28, 2008, 04:56:36 AM
I thought Blue was "Officer" or was that just the vehicle tags?
Vehicle decal.
Quote from: PHall on April 27, 2008, 06:45:00 PM
Retirees do not get a CAC card since they don't need access to computers and/or restricted areas.
Which is what the CAC card is used for.
But they do need it for AKO/DKO which is available to all members of the army community.
Quote from: Cecil DP on April 28, 2008, 07:14:44 AM
Quote from: PHall on April 27, 2008, 06:45:00 PM
Retirees do not get a CAC card since they don't need access to computers and/or restricted areas.
Which is what the CAC card is used for.
But they do need it for AKO/DKO which is available to all members of the army community.
Off topic: Including "army volunteers." Who get abc.xyz@us.army.mil addresses just like everyone else. Be nice if the AF took note of that. The DKO portal is unifying the seperate service portals in a few years, w/ an AKO framework, and I believe that volunteer status is going to be opened up on the AF side under that. We'll see.
The retired accounts don't expire as I understand it. The others (volunteer, etc) are sponsored accts. Your sponsor (w/ CAC) has to renew your acct every few months.
FWIW, there are actually three tan cards now.
DD Form 1173, "United States Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card," issued to active duty family members and military retirees and their dependents to designate medical benefits, and authorize access to commissary exchange and certain morale, welfare and recreation privileges. Also issued to certain other individuals with similar entitlements who do not fit into the criteria for the cards below.
DD Form 2764, "United States DoD/Uniformed Services Civilian Geneva Conventions Identification Card," will be issued to emergency essential DoD employees such as contractors and other civilian personnel stationed overseas and to civilian personnel authorized to accompany U.S. military forces to regions of conflict, combat, and during contingency operations.
DD Form 2765, "Department of Defense/Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card," will be issued to sponsors, other than members of the military Services, who because of their current or previous association with the military Services, are entitled to Uniformed Services benefits and privileges.
Quote from: DNall on April 28, 2008, 08:14:12 AMOff topic: Including "army volunteers." Who get abc.xyz@us.army.mil addresses just like everyone else. Be nice if the AF took note of that. The DKO portal is unifying the seperate service portals in a few years, w/ an AKO framework, and I believe that volunteer status is going to be opened up on the AF side under that. We'll see.
The retired accounts don't expire as I understand it. The others (volunteer, etc) are sponsored accts. Your sponsor (w/ CAC) has to renew your acct every few months.
Retirees don't get CACs. How would they turn on a DKO account? I'm not understanding something here, or missing a critical bit of info.
You don't need a CAC to activate an AKO account. It's done by SSN. The current incarnation of DKO is rather restricted. However, the plan as published on AKO & DKO is to collapse AKO, AF Portal, etc to one unified portal = DKO. That's a couple years out, but the early process is under way now. The only real impacts anyone can see at this point are there isn't a lot of expansion in most of the existing portals.
QuotePink = Old reserve ID card, now used for retired reservists
Actually I (traditional reservist) just got re-married in November and the wife got a pink dependant ID card....did it at Andrews AFB, AD MPF....so maybe its just use up whatever stock they have and apply the approipriate overlay.
mk
That would be the red DD Form 1173-1.
All the rules here (http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/100013p.pdf).
What red 1173?
I used ti work pass and ID and don't remember a REF 1173.
I didn't notice any mention of the 1172 (Application for the 1173) in your instructions but I just skimmed over them.
Was good to see you Saturday "curly".
Quote from: Grumpy on May 01, 2008, 04:37:52 AM
What red 1173?
I used ti work pass and ID and don't remember a REF 1173.
I didn't notice any mention of the 1172 (Application for the 1173) in your instructions but I just skimmed over them.
Was good to see you Saturday "curly".
I didn't do a lot of research, but the red 1173
-1 seems to be relatively new, probably even since I retired, which, as we all know, was eons after your departure from AD. The instruction is dated 1997, so take it from there.
This may seem like a strange question, but does the Air Force have a designation for the CAP ID?
Second, has CAP ever been issued a civillian or dependant ID Card?
OR
Would it be a good thing for CAP members to recieve one in this day and age?
Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on May 12, 2008, 08:10:37 AM
This may seem like a strange question, but does the Air Force have a designation for the CAP ID?
Not that I know of. I've never seen any reference to such an item.
QuoteSecond, has CAP ever been issued a civillian or dependant ID Card?
Again, not that I know of. The CAPF 19 has been around for eons. The "current" version is dated 1981. BTW, there's really no such thing as a "dependent's" ID. The card I've been issued in that capacity is the DD Form 1173, "United States Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card."
QuoteWould it be a good thing for CAP members to recieve one in this day and age?
Why do we need that form of ID? Something like the new CAP one, issued universally, would suffice if all the services were informed of its existence and function.
The good old CAPF 19 photo ID has been retired and replaced with the photo ID ya gotta pay $4 for on eServices. There's bound to be stocks of 'em floating around wing HQ, though.
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on May 13, 2008, 06:18:35 PM
The good old CAPF 19 photo ID has been retired and replaced with the photo ID ya gotta pay $4 for on eServices. There's bound to be stocks of 'em floating around wing HQ, though.
Has it? It's still listed on the 0-9. I don't see it on my Form 8, but I'm not wing staff, either.