When your motor stops......
Well, theres something you don't see everyday
You guys have way too much fun...
Quote from: Flying Pig on March 20, 2008, 05:52:53 AM
When your motor stops......
I remember seeing this not working out for another flight crew....
http://www.youtube.com/v/KN9XArHS8yw
Quote from: SJFedor on March 20, 2008, 06:15:49 AM
Quote from: Flying Pig on March 20, 2008, 05:52:53 AM
When your motor stops......
I remember seeing this not working out for another flight crew....
http://www.youtube.com/v/KN9XArHS8yw
I'll bet it takes some skill to do boat tows from a helo, seemed like the helo was moving around a bit too fast IMHO they were moving around like it was nothing. IMHO if the pilot has never done a boat tow from a helo then he/she shouldn't try to attempt it until they have had at least some kind of training to do it.
Quote from: mynetdude on March 20, 2008, 06:36:07 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on March 20, 2008, 06:15:49 AM
Quote from: Flying Pig on March 20, 2008, 05:52:53 AM
When your motor stops......
I remember seeing this not working out for another flight crew....
http://www.youtube.com/v/KN9XArHS8yw
I'll bet it takes some skill to do boat tows from a helo, seemed like the helo was moving around a bit too fast IMHO they were moving around like it was nothing. IMHO if the pilot has never done a boat tow from a helo then he/she shouldn't try to attempt it until they have had at least some kind of training to do it.
I'm no helo driver, but he probably dropped the nose too much, added too much collective, and lost control.
Quote from: SJFedor on March 20, 2008, 06:56:03 AM
Quote from: mynetdude on March 20, 2008, 06:36:07 AM
Quote from: SJFedor on March 20, 2008, 06:15:49 AM
Quote from: Flying Pig on March 20, 2008, 05:52:53 AM
When your motor stops......
I remember seeing this not working out for another flight crew....
http://www.youtube.com/v/KN9XArHS8yw
I'll bet it takes some skill to do boat tows from a helo, seemed like the helo was moving around a bit too fast IMHO they were moving around like it was nothing. IMHO if the pilot has never done a boat tow from a helo then he/she shouldn't try to attempt it until they have had at least some kind of training to do it.
I'm no helo driver, but he probably dropped the nose too much, added too much collective, and lost control.
I noticed too much nose pitch down, but he also seemed to do his maneuvers a bit too fast.
Quote from: Flying Pig on March 20, 2008, 05:52:53 AM
When your motor stops......
Was that one of yalls boats? If so was this a training event or how embarrased was that officer to make that call?
Is the cost of that tow covered by AAA? ;D
Guys,
I think you have misinterpreted the photo.
Ingeniously, the Sheriff has discovered a way to increase the range of their electric helicopter by putting a generator on their patrol boat! ;D
Quote from: Ned on March 20, 2008, 03:31:20 PM
Guys,
I think you have misinterpreted the photo.
Ingeniously, the Sheriff has discovered a way to increase the range of their electric helicopter by putting a generator on their patrol boat! ;D
Electric? I don't think water and such would do well together?
Air to ground towing is definitely an art.
(http://www.internetage.com/rotorcraft/unusualimgs/towing_1.jpg)
Were it to be a "science," the Army would not have the restriction in the -10 of nearly every helicopter prohibiting "air to ground towing."
(I swear, that deuce and a half was more of an "assistive sling-load" than a "tow")
They guys with that Bell 206 trying to tow the boat were morons. You gotta be TOTALLY gentle with any kind of external load..
Quote from: mynetdude on March 20, 2008, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Ned on March 20, 2008, 03:31:20 PM
Guys,
I think you have misinterpreted the photo.
Ingeniously, the Sheriff has discovered a way to increase the range of their electric helicopter by putting a generator on their patrol boat! ;D
Electric? I don't think water and such would do well together?
Is that a serious Q?
Quote from: NIN on March 20, 2008, 04:01:59 PM
Air to ground towing is definitely an art.
(http://www.internetage.com/rotorcraft/unusualimgs/towing_1.jpg)
:o
Yikes!!
well if your going to crash what better place than right next to (what appears to be a foreign) coast guard cutter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrJAxFgKg9E
It was a training day, our Deputies provide boating enforcement to the large lakes in the county. Even in the rivers, sometimes just pulling the bow a couple of feet is enough to get the boat loose if they get pushed against something. It is reserved for our deputies who have been trained as the Sheriff boat enforcement crew to operate with the helicopter. We don't tie up to Joe Smith who breaks down while hes out fishing.
Ive seen that video several times before. It was in the Bahamas I believe. We do ours VERY slow and gentle. The guy in that Jet Ranger flat out over torqued his helicopter. Id be surprised if the guy even had a Private Pilots License. That was BEYOND a flying 101 mistake.
Quote from: SarDragon on March 20, 2008, 05:44:15 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on March 20, 2008, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Ned on March 20, 2008, 03:31:20 PM
Guys,
I think you have misinterpreted the photo.
Ingeniously, the Sheriff has discovered a way to increase the range of their electric helicopter by putting a generator on their patrol boat! ;D
Electric? I don't think water and such would do well together?
Is that a serious Q?
Thankfully no!
Quote from: 2d Lt Rudin on March 20, 2008, 09:38:58 PM
well if your going to crash what better place than right next to (what appears to be a foreign) coast guard cutter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrJAxFgKg9E
haven't seen a helo with pontoons in a very long time :)
Quote from: NIN on March 20, 2008, 04:01:59 PM
Air to ground towing is definitely an art.
(http://www.internetage.com/rotorcraft/unusualimgs/towing_1.jpg)
Were it to be a "science," the Army would not have the restriction in the -10 of nearly every helicopter prohibiting "air to ground towing."
(I swear, that deuce and a half was more of an "assistive sling-load" than a "tow")
They guys with that Bell 206 trying to tow the boat were morons. You gotta be TOTALLY gentle with any kind of external load..
That looks to be a C-46 (Navy or Marine Corps, methinks). Not an Army bird. I've done lots of sling loads, all went well, thankfully. I saw a couple, however, that weren't so good - they dumped the loads. Worst thing is being on top of the load with the clevis waiting to put it on the hook. I just knew that darned army flyboy had some sort of problem with ground pounders and was going to make a sling-load sandwich out of me. Fun but tense.
Quote from: Gunner C on March 21, 2008, 08:49:09 AM
That looks to be a C-46 (Navy or Marine Corps, methinks). Not an Army bird. I've done lots of sling loads, all went well, thankfully. I saw a couple, however, that weren't so good - they dumped the loads. Worst thing is being on top of the load with the clevis waiting to put it on the hook. I just knew that darned army flyboy had some sort of problem with ground pounders and was going to make a sling-load sandwich out of me. Fun but tense.
Actually, its a BV-107 (civvie CH-46) owned by Columbia Helicopters.
And yes, we
are trying to make sling-load sammiches out of the crunchies. Its good sport and keeps you boys on your toes.
For what its worth, however, our own @##$% pilots have been known to crunch us, too...
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can't imagine having to deal with the rotor wash... and it swirling all its avegas around itself and you can smell it... it is horribly smelly! ::)
Quote from: mynetdude on March 22, 2008, 06:03:12 AM
can't imagine having to deal with the rotor wash... and it swirling all its avegas around itself and you can smell it... it is horribly smelly! ::)
Not AvGas, burnt kerosene. That thar helicopeter be propelled by Jet-A.
Quote from: SarDragon on March 22, 2008, 06:10:21 AM
Quote from: mynetdude on March 22, 2008, 06:03:12 AM
can't imagine having to deal with the rotor wash... and it swirling all its avegas around itself and you can smell it... it is horribly smelly! ::)
Not AvGas, burnt kerosene. That thar helicopeter be propelled by Jet-A.
My bad, /me forgets these things sometimes... some Helos actually have jet engines.
What about helos that don't use jet engines?
Well, most gas burning anythings don't have all that much odour. When was the last time you got that kind of smell from a car, or a C-182? Much of what's in gas exhaust is odorless.
Quote from: SarDragon on March 22, 2008, 06:10:21 AM
Not AvGas, burnt kerosene. That thar helicopeter be propelled by Jet-A.
As my t-shirt says: "I love the smell of Jet Fuel in the morning!"
The rotor wash for me (the guy on the skid) is pretty light that close to the fuselage. Now, the guys on the boat....thats a different story. However, the MD500E has a low inertia rotor system. The rotor wash is actually pretty light compared to what most people think of.
Piston driven helicopters operate and "smell" just like a piston airplane. They use 100LL. Personally, I love the smell of Jet A. It can get a bit overwhelming though in the summer when its hot out.
One of the challenges of boat towing, is that when you hover to the boat, it blows away. So you have to get right over the top of it and get them the rope quick
Quote from: Flying Pig on March 22, 2008, 04:09:05 PM
The rotor wash for me (the guy on the skid) is pretty light that close to the fuselage. Now, the guys on the boat....thats a different story. However, the MD500E has a low inertia rotor system. The rotor wash is actually pretty light compared to what most people think of.
Piston driven helicopters operate and "smell" just like a piston airplane. They use 100LL. Personally, I love the smell of Jet A. It can get a bit overwhelming though in the summer when its hot out.
One of the challenges of boat towing, is that when you hover to the boat, it blows away. So you have to get right over the top of it and get them the rope quick
Haha never thought of the blowing it away! Why not tow like that? :D give 'em alittle "push" with some AIR :D
We have done that before. It just takes a while. Usually, someone will come along and be a good samaritan.